Economy 52,930 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/for-first-time-in-150-years-world-s-benchmark-bond-is-sub-1-1.1399740 For the first time in history US 10 year bonds briefly touched below 1% in their yields during trading This is the first time in history they have fallen this low. In addition to the large Rate Cut yesterday by the fed, ongoing concerns about the economy and corona virus has caused money to surge in "safe investments" In some Countries around the world rates have dropped below 0% into the negative like Germany for example and most of other European Countries bonds are little above 0% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatigay 21,211 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 What does this mean.. We are baby.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 53,580 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 You can’t just post things like this and expect us to know what it means lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaTheExplorer 3,053 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 41 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said: You can’t just post things like this and expect us to know what it means lol 4 more years of Trump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,930 Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, StarstruckIllusion said: You can’t just post things like this and expect us to know what it means lol To me this is just basic Economics and markets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,930 Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, thierryrreiht said: What does this mean.. We are baby.. Long story short the Fed rate cut influences general cost of credit down like variable rate mortgages and lines of credit for example The lower bond yields affect stuff like fixed mortgages And this also means the Government is paying almost 0 interest on its debt right now But America will still run big deficits even with interest rate relief Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chromatic Lover 868 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Economy said: Long story short the Fed rate cut influences general cost of credit down like variable rate mortgages and lines of credit for example The lower bond yields affect stuff like fixed mortgages And this also means the Government is paying almost 0 interest on its debt right now But America will still run big deficits even with interest rate relief As long as the US has the world reserve currency, and it's debt is cheap to service, do American politicians think that the debt they are taking is no problem? They can print all the money they want because it's inflation is exported, if that made sense. Or is it more complex than that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaganime 18 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Hopefully the economy collapses soon. I've been waiting since 2008 for a correction. Something tells me this one will be far worse than 2008. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coekane 5,921 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Oh snap. I wonder how this happened signing out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,930 Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, Chromatic Lover said: As long as the US has the world reserve currency, and it's debt is cheap to service, do American politicians think that the debt they are taking is no problem? They can print all the money they want because it's inflation is exported, if that made sense. Or is it more complex than that? Basically in my view the argument that debt doesn't matter to the US because it's the reserve currency is only partially true but not fully true Reserve currency status does give the US a higher debt tolerance than a typical nation. Investors have trust in a currency that is seen as safe, and a Country that can print its own currency worst case scenario (unlike the EU where Countries share a single Central Bank) But this higher threshold still has its limits... It still needs to attract enough investors to fund the debt and if it got large enough, like a ponzy scheme it would be tough to get an exploding need for liquidity Reserve Status also helps export inflation as u said but again there's limits to this The basic math that determines bond yields and prices as well as how they are sold are the exact same as in other Nations. Being the reserve currency doesn't change that So it's more phychological and a perception of safety than anything else The only Country in the world that has ever surpassed a Debt to GDP ratio of over 160% without going into a full blown financial crisis is Japan (currently at 230%) but they too have some unique circumstances that give them a high tolerance to handle high debt I would say the US special status would definitely allow debt loads above 160% perhaps without a crisis But at some point the system would implode either with really high interest rates required to raise the cash or high inflation from so much printing that that inflation couldn't all be exported I definitely don't see even the US getting a debt of 300% of GDP without a full blown crisis... Not that anyone can really say for sure at what point a crisis would be triggered tho The US is still quite a ways away from that tho. With the debt a little under 110% of GDP... The debt could easily probably increase another 50% in total without even accounting for future economic growth and inflation If the debt was $30 Trillion now, the US could likely still handle it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pachinko 10,757 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 The only Economics I want to hear about are Gaganomics! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatic Lover 868 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Economy said: Reserve currency status does give the US a higher debt tolerance than a typical nation. Investors have trust in a currency that is seen as safe, and a Country that can print its own currency worst case scenario (unlike the EU where Countries share a single Central Bank) But this higher threshold still has its limits... It still needs to attract enough investors to fund the debt and if it got large enough, like a ponzy scheme it would be tough to get an exploding need for liquidity Reserve Status also helps export inflation as u said but again there's limits to this The basic math that determines bond yields and prices as well as how they are sold are the exact same as in other Nations. Being the reserve currency doesn't change that So it's more phychological and a perception of safety than anything else Thanks...this really cleared it up. I had this weird theory about the US. You ever think that the reason there is so much income inequality where the rich hoards most of the money while the middle class struggles is to prevent more dollars from chasing products which would lead to inflation? I don't know if I'm making sense here? Hence probably why Healthcare as one example is so expensive in particular. I feel like there is a bigger issue that we as average people don't know about the financial system completely. We should make a thread or something about this probably since this isn't really the topic you're originally talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,930 Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Chromatic Lover said: Thanks...this really cleared it up. I had this weird theory about the US. You ever think that the reason there is so much income inequality where the rich hoards most of the money while the middle class struggles is to prevent more dollars from chasing products which would lead to inflation? I don't know if I'm making sense here? Hence probably why Healthcare as one example is so expensive in particular. I feel like there is a bigger issue that we as average people don't know about the financial system completely. We should make a thread or something about this probably since this isn't really the topic you're originally talking about. I think there's many many factors that are influencing wealth inequality Some claim bad monetary policy contributes to it I don't think it's half as big a factor as regressive taxes, Corporate tax evasion or us being unprepared for automation but I do think asset distortions that monetary policy can cause can potentially be causing at least some influence as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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