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audrey horne
7 minutes ago, Miaou said:

Even if I'm not agree with the people who are blocking the transports, I was talking about the attitude of french people in the train station

 

How empathic of you. 

 

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The daily struggle since a week ago:bradley:

But oh well just hope it pays off, tho I fear it gets worse with today's Prime Minister's speech 

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Stanley Digaga
43 minutes ago, adterp said:

We live older because we work less and we better keep it that way. I don't want to spend my whole life dying at work and spend my retirement in care services.

You can't just work less, it isn't viable economicly, we need more people at work to contribute for the pension of retirees.

I'm not happy to see people working hard their whole life to endup with a low pension and in bad physical health, of course, but we need to find money to pay those pensions.

There isn't a miracle solution where evrybody is winning and the government doesn't endup with a huge debt.

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audrey horne
19 minutes ago, Stanley Digaga said:

There isn't a miracle solution where evrybody is winning and the government doesn't endup with a huge debt.

So far, only the very wealthiest are winning. No need of a miracle when solutions are right in front of our eyes *better wealth distribution*

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homomo
2 hours ago, Economy said:

Here in Canada (at least in my Province) it's always schools and teachers that go on strike

 

Almost every year there's a strike :triggered:

 

They have one of the most powerful unions in the Country tho so I'm not surprised...

 

They already have amazing benefits like good health coverage, sick days and they make above average pay for a job where they don't work the summer or long days during the day...

 

If only I could strike like that for my job :madge:

My aunt is a primary school teacher in Ontario.

Her class size last year was 34. THIRTY FOUR STUDENTS all to herself, with maybe two weeks of help from an aid during the whole year. And yet, the Ontario government was still planning on making cuts.

Unless you know the full story, don’t comment on this issue if you don’t know exactly why they are striking.

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Economy
2 minutes ago, homomo said:

My aunt is a primary school teacher in Ontario.

Her class size last year was 34. THIRTY FOUR STUDENTS all to herself, with maybe two weeks of help from an aid during the whole year. And yet, the Ontario government was still planning on making cuts.

Unless you know the full story, don’t comment on this issue if you don’t know exactly why they are striking.

I know they don't want cuts

 

But nobody wants cuts on anything... And Ontario overspent for ages and now we're paying the price after being the most indebted subsoverein government in the entire planet!

 

Tough decisions have to be made. I think classes being bigger than ideal perhaps is a better sacrafice than say cuts to life saving healthcare

 

Anyway I'm talking about the history of striking in general not just this particular strike. I know this strike involves the cuts more than stuff like wages and benefits

 

But historically speaking it's often about compensation and whether it be garbage collectors, teachers, transit drivers....

 

It's always jobs that pay at least above average to begin with plus good benefits that see strikes.

 

These ppl are already better off than most they are just lucky they have unions that make this possible.

 

Where I work for example i don't not have such a tool available to me for protesting crap pay

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Economy
2 hours ago, adterp said:

So far, only the very wealthiest are winning. No need of a miracle when solutions are right in front of our eyes *better wealth distribution*

It's not always that easy. If it was every expert should support it

 

I'm not saying all policies to redistribute wealth are bad... But I'm pointing out ppl tend to oversimplify the concept

 

Wealth distribution policies always always have cons that come with the pros that at least partially offset their benefit

 

It has to be done very well and competently to make sure that on a net basis the economic change is more positive than negative

 

For example rent controls sounded like a great idea to people in my Province until it became clear that those that warned lower construction of rental units would be a side effect of such a law and make the issue worse long term and that's exactly what happened. Now that laws on rent controls were relaxed, rental unit permits nearly tripled last year

 

Policies always have secondary effects from their intended reasons and sometimes those unintended effects directly backfire

 

That's an important thing to keep in mind when talking about wealth redistribution. I'm not saying Its bad. But the way the comment put it oversimplifies the idea as usual. It's quite complex

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PartTimeCatdad

The rich has seen a overwhelming  increase of their wealth in the past decade, yet it is the working class who hasn’t experience an equal improvement that bears brunt of the costs.
 

How can we justify the case where people who are buying their third vacation home in the Bahamas are exempt from contributing more to the state. They too benefit from the state.

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Is it just me or its been quite "messy" lately (not the good word sorry but that's what comes to mind)

with the yellow vests and now this, its a bit chaotic. however im all for people striking and demanding for better things, GO !

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audrey horne
1 hour ago, Economy said:

It's not always that easy. If it was every expert should support it

 

I'm not saying all policies to redistribute wealth are bad... But I'm pointing out ppl tend to oversimplify the concept

 

Wealth distribution policies always always have cons that come with them that at least partially offset their benefit

 

It has to be done very well and competently to make sure that on a net basis the economic change is more positive than negative

 

For example rent controls sounded like a great idea to people in my Province until it became clear that those that warned lower construction of rental units would be a side effect of such a law and make the issue worse long term and that's exactly what happened. Now that laws on rent controls were relaxed, rental unit permits nearly tripled last year

 

Policies always have secondary effects from their intended reasons and sometimes those unintended effects directly backfire

 

That's an important thing to keep in mind when talking about wealth redistribution

I'm sorry, I didn't even read your response. I'm so tired of your conservatives rants. 

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audrey horne
1 hour ago, Stanley Digaga said:

That's another subject :ohwell:

The entire french retirement system is based on repartition.

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Economy
31 minutes ago, adterp said:

I'm sorry, I didn't even read your response. I'm so tired of your conservatives rants. 

My comment literally was neither defending conservatives or liberalism. I literally just said things are not that simple and provided real reasoning:rip:

 

If u consider an analysis of both the left and right side of the spectrum (that does not even say one is any better than the other) as a conservative rant for the right then u have extremist views I'm sorry. I didn't give conservative views any more merit than the left in this post or in most of my posts for that matter :madge:

 

In my post literally gives just as much credit to both sides... If u think that's a rant for the right side of things than any point that isn't in line with ur thinking should be dismissed

 

Close minded to the max tbh. U can't learn anything if ur that dismissive :neyde:

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