Hybrid AT 78 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, Matangi said: Pete is fading because he has no signature policies. He simply speaks (notably, very eloquently and intelligently) about platitudes that align him with Joe Biden and Clinton era centrism. The only reason he is polling slightly better than 5% the past few weeks is because he is quickly burning through his tens of millions of corporate campaign contributions. He's polling at 12% in Iowa and 9% in NH in RCP average, the early states that matter. He also has a policy platform on his website available with 10 concrete, comprehensive plans released so far but I really don't have time to argue with Bernie stans who won't bother to look at anybody else's policies but their own's and throw blanket statements around like that. Policies like decriminalizing all drugs, sectoral bargaining for unions, min $15 wage, doubling union membership, pro-constitutional amendment, depoliticizing the SC by adding justices, biggest and broadest anti-racist proposal that targets black home ownership, entrepreneurship, education, maternity crises, CJ reform aren't centrist policies. They're progressive policies. And it's not platitudes, it's called nuance. Not everyone gets it, but thankfully 580k donors who have donated to him so far get it and are rooting for a better, more united and not divided country. His Q3 average donation was $32. Fading lol. If anything he's going to rise after this strong debate performance. Stay delusional. Will see you after the first vote is cast in Iowa. "I was protected by the monks of Azarath, I was raised by my friends. They are my family, this is my home and you are not welcome here." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsches 17,550 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I agree it might not have been Warren's best performance when they were talking about healthcare, but she's far from being a loser for this debate. She's winning every poll right now so of course people were going to attack her left and right, but that doesn't mean she did badly. I still think she would be a great president! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socotra 3,357 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I love Warren, but God, I wish she was a bit more forward. That's the one quality I love and find so refreshing about Bernie – the man has always been so ****ing blunt. Warren's still my candidate, but Jesus, why can't she just admit taxes will go up and that overall costs will go down with a Medicare for All plan? For such a talented debater, her arguments last night were largely disappointing and left much to be desired. I wish she'd apply the sharp-shooting attitude she employs in some answers and for some policies to all her answers and policies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorusRa2 5,005 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 hours ago, JusKeepBreathin said: So I give you facts about actual proven crimes committed in 2016 and you reply with propaganda, conspiracy theories and allegations that weren't even illegal. Cool story Bernie Bro. Why don't you open a web page called Wiki Drips? They weren’t even illegal. Oh ok. I did not lie to you but by all means call me a Bernie Bro because you don’t like the truth & It hurts your feelings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsches 17,550 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I'm sorry, but what were they thinking with that last question? Why not talk about policies that would affect or protect lgbt people instead of talking about Ellen Degeneres's friends? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorusRa2 5,005 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, tomsches said: I'm sorry, but what were they thinking with that last question? Why not talk about policies that would affect or protect lgbt people instead of talking about Ellen Degeneres's friends? Because CNN does not care about the issues. CNN wanted to talk about a topic that they could play back over and over again that was already polarized by social media and the likes of The View. They also don’t like to talk about the issues because it means candidates have to take stances on what they’re actually going to do, or rather, it increases the likelihood that somebody will be cornered into taking a stance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn MonHoe 11,011 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 8 hours ago, TheQueenLG said: Warren and Sanders are the only ones that I could take seriously. Biden and Buttigieg were rude, condescending, and patronizing. Such a bad look. Really shameful sh*t. Klobuchar is clueless. Everyone else has no chance, although I will always love Kamala. It’s funny that when someone Iike Buttigieg goes on the attack (wasn’t he mr kumbaya in the last debate?) he is praised for “making his mark” while when progressives like Warren and Bernie go on the offensive, there are calls for unity and respect. It’s almost like “unity” is just a way to try and keep the left of the Democratic Party silent I have experienced the same thing with moderates on this site. Such a disingenuous and hypocritical argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,683 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said: It’s funny that when someone Iike Buttigieg goes on the attack (wasn’t he mr kumbaya in the last debate?) he is praised for “making his mark” while when progressives like Warren and Bernie go on the offensive, there are calls for unity and respect. It’s almost like “unity” is just a way to try and keep the left of the Democratic Party silent I have experienced the same thing with moderates on this site. Such a disingenuous and hypocritical argument. Idc what people say he was really rude. Especially to Beto. There was no need to get personal. I’ve gone through more opinion pieces and it seems many are saying Warren and Sanders won the night. Some saying Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn MonHoe 11,011 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Idc what people say he was really rude. Especially to Beto. There was no need to get personal. I’ve gone through more opinion pieces and it seems many are saying Warren and Sanders won the night. Some saying Pete. Yeah I agree. I don’t have any problems with candidates getting more aggressive but Pete was just really nasty about it. “I don’t need a lesson from you on courage, political or personal.” Yikes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,683 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said: Yeah I agree. I don’t have any problems with candidates getting more aggressive but Pete was just really nasty about it. “I don’t need a lesson from you on courage, political or personal.” Yikes Pete is one of those candidates who is really eloquent and is charming and can win over people that way. His hardcore supporters don’t even notice how nasty he was last night. If you look past the charm you really see him for what he is. Not my preferred choice at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid AT 78 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Pete is one of those candidates who is really eloquent and is charming and can win over people that way. His hardcore supporters don’t even notice how nasty he was last night. If you look past the charm you really see him for what he is. Not my preferred choice at all. Wow. Do you even know for how long how Beto has continued to misrepresent his statements continuously and Pete hadn't said a word about it till now? So Beto can continue to be desperate and keep attacking Pete disingenuously again and again and Pete should stay quiet about it? Nah, I'm ****ing proud of the fact that he took a stand last night and gave him a taste of his own medicine. He wasn't being nasty, he was taking a taking a stand against the BS that's been thrown his way by Beto for long now. And I'm glad he put him in his ****ing place. Maybe you shouldn't say anything when you don't know the full picture. "I was protected by the monks of Azarath, I was raised by my friends. They are my family, this is my home and you are not welcome here." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arturo 40,746 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 You guys complaining about Bernie’s speaking time when Kamala got even less Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilmonzter 2,864 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Well Bernie did good With whatever time he had Sing C'est la vie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Morphine Prince said: Idc what people say he was really rude. Especially to Beto. There was no need to get personal. I’ve gone through more opinion pieces and it seems many are saying Warren and Sanders won the night. Some saying Pete. All of them mention Warren, Pete, Bernie as the winners of the night...in different orders. Many of them also put Klobuchar in that list. One thing is for sure, everyone on that stage knew that Warren was the new front runner and had shifted to her from Biden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matangi 3,050 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 9 hours ago, HybridAT said: He's polling at 12% in Iowa and 9% in NH in RCP average, the early states that matter. He also has a policy platform on his website available with 10 concrete, comprehensive plans released so far but I really don't have time to argue with Bernie stans who won't bother to look at anybody else's policies but their own's and throw blanket statements around like that. Policies like decriminalizing all drugs, sectoral bargaining for unions, min $15 wage, doubling union membership, pro-constitutional amendment, depoliticizing the SC by adding justices, biggest and broadest anti-racist proposal that targets black home ownership, entrepreneurship, education, maternity crises, CJ reform aren't centrist policies. They're progressive policies. And it's not platitudes, it's called nuance. Not everyone gets it, but thankfully 580k donors who have donated to him so far get it and are rooting for a better, more united and not divided country. His Q3 average donation was $32. Fading lol. If anything he's going to rise after this strong debate performance. Stay delusional. Will see you after the first vote is cast in Iowa. sksksks okay girl see u then.. bootyjudge cant keep decent race-relations in his tiny ass town. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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