Taylor earns her highest career peaks in Europe with Lover

[Gizem 56]

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

But I thought that did include digital sales, so I don't know why they were separated.

I didn't say she wouldn't sell Wembley. I was talking about how she wouldn't have demand for dates all over the UK and she didn't, she just went to Manchester and London, 2 dates at each. Someone with over 1m sales have easily done more concerts than that and outsold them better.

Of course she had a lot of sales because she kept her international concerts super exclusive. That means that people have to travel and they all crowd onto one date. If you have one date for an entire country, every fan from all over will descend on that date. Do dates up and down the country and your individual attendences and grosses will be spread and therefore, lower.

But Taylor doesn't have as many worldwide hit singles as other artists. Fact is that there's still loads of people who have no idea who Taylor is or can name any of her songs but they can name the others. That is the ultimate sign of worldwide reach.

Beyonce and Madonna are better at worldwide reach, though. And I didn't say no popstar could do this but they have to expand their scope and really develop themselves to do so. Taylor's too much in her comfort zone.

Your quote about country artists makes little to no sense, but I think you're asking me "name a country artist who had more than a 4-figure attendence per show for their third album's era"? Well, I'm just about to give you the biggest serving of all - Shania Twain. Her third album, Come On Over, was her biggest seller and is one of the biggest sellers of all time and she had a 165 date world tour that went to the UK and Australia internationally. While I can't seem to get the figures for those shows (tours back then never reported all indiviudal grosses), seeing how she performed in much bigger arenas than Taylor did with Speak Now, I'd be willing to bet she sold more. Country music can sell internationally, you just have to sell it right.

I wasn't talking about 360 stages, I was talking about end stage shows. Those figures I quoted were end stage figures. It makes sense, you just don't want it to.

It's not "my own way of thinking," it's how the industry works. You don't have to sell out every show to be considered sold out, you just have to sell enough according to each venue's standards. I don't know how many times I can repeat it. Oslo, Birmingham and London were the only dates that had decent figures that were close to a proper sell-out but everywhere else had really low standards. Milan obviously wasn't budging with its set standard. Maybe the other ones were paid off to say it was a sell-out when most of them were only half full? Don't judge it by Billboard figures. Look up the actual end stage capacities of these arenas and then look at how much she sold and you'll realise how loose the term "sell out" is these days. If you still don't believe me, read the reply I said to the person below me where I explain how Gaga played the same venues as Taylor, sold more tickets and is labelled sold out as well, therefore, the standards for Taylor were set lower, probably because her staging wasn't as expensive back then.

If she has the demand there, why doesn't she go, then? Makes no sense. My theory is that her ego's so big that she thinks she's too good for small venues. You'll notice from Red and onwards, she only tours at large arenas at the very least, which is why her only European dates were in London and Berlin - she didn't have the demand to do large arenas anywhere else. God forbid she performs at a 9k capacity arena these days, even if she could sell it out. 13k seems to be her limit, anything else is beneath her.

Yes, a sold out show is still a sold out show, but not by technical standards. I'm just trying to inform those who are unware of how the industry changed. When sales started going down, standards changed to ensure that lesser sold concerts could still be recorded as sell outs, to protect the ego of artists and labels. If you look at tours around the 90's and before, you'll barely see any 100% sell outs because you had to actually sell every ticket to be a sell out back then. Now it's a case of "there's enough here so it seems sold out and the arena's re-couped its costs so call it a sell-out." I'm not trying to be a snooty critic when I say this, I'm just telling you the truth.

Actually, I do say this stuff for my faves as well. Of course I know that some Lana's and Gaga's dates were not properly sold out. For BTWB, there is no way those Eastern European dates were sold out like claimed - some of them were held at open air festival grounds and yet 16k and 12k is a sell-out? And I was at that second London date and can confirm that that place was maybe 70-75% full yet it was sold out. As for Lana, same - I've been to her concerts and they make the arena smaller by putting curtains around the areas that didn't sell so the place seems much smaller to cover up all the unsold areas. Still gets labelled sold out, however. And Lana sold out better than Taylor in arenas with her debut, I was there to witness that. And by the way, here's some stats to prove that Taylor's apparent sell outs were just the result of really low standards - she sold 3,421 tickets in Italy which was only 1,164 tickets away from a sell-out according to Billboard...Gaga played the same venue with the Joanne tour and sold 11,170 tickets and that was labelled as a sell-out (Lana also sold out the same venue last year, with 11,853 tickets). Now, tell me how Taylor was apparently just 1,164 tickets away from selling out the same venue with her measly 3,241 ticket gross? And also tell me how an arena that can hold over 11k people would look remotely impressive or anywhere near sold old with just over 3k people in it? Gaga also played some of the other same venues she played and it's the same story. Taylor "sold out" Manchester Arena with 10,488 tickets...Gaga sold out that arena with 15,543 tickets with BTWB. Taylor "sold out" Odessy Arena with 8,058 tickets...Gaga sold out that arena with 10,038 tickets with MB. Taylor "sold out" O2 Arena Dublin with 8,681 tickets...Gaga sold out that arena with 11,497 tickets with Artrave. Explain. I will not "SEETHE" as I know I'm right and you're obstinately refusing to acknowledge the truth: algorithms exist, standards differ according to cost of stage and lower sellouts were introduced to placate artist's big egos.

I do state facts, even when they're hard to say and I'm not biased. It is others who refuse to be objective and are willing to trust biased celebrity sources instead of figures and patterns laid out in front of them.

When I said that line, I was referring to the current method of recording sellouts, the "not sold out technically but recorded as sold out" mentality. I thought it was obvious when I was talking technically and reluctantly accepting the system.

Stop using that gif and acting smug. I don't feel the least bit diminished because everyone else seems to only talk in corrupted Billboard figures instead of looking at how the industry records sellouts these days and how it's all a pile of BS at the end of the day but we accept it.

She didn't have so much sales because of exclusive dates. She had so many dates in Oceania and North America. She is already huge in Asia. She has fastest selling song in Japan and her all albums were huge success there. She sold 1.5 million albums in Japan alone. About UK, if she is nothing at mainland Europe like you say, she didn't get help from there. 

Hits doesn't make you bigger anywhere at all. Justin had more hit single in Europe but did he play stadiums there? No. Ariana had much more number 1's at UK than Taylor but she still plays arenas there at her 5. era. People go concert to listen albums, not just for a few songs. 

No, Beyonce doesn't have bigger ww reach. Taylor has much bigger in North America, Asia and Oceania. 

Is this your best example? Come on over tour? The tour had 153 concert at N.A. total of 165. This is what ı was talking about. And 7 arena date in australia is not impressive. Taylor was first woman toured Oceania with stadiums after Madonna, with her RED tour as country act. And she played big venues in UK. Thank you for proving my point better. She toured countries in Europe as country act in her most local era aka speak now. Taylor was the country act with most global reach. 

What is end stage numbers? Do every artist use same stage? Taylor's Reputation tour was biggest stage in history example. Her stages are huge. 

According to you, Taylor's %80 North American dates didn't sell out. She played 80k stadiums but 60k sell outs.. It doesn't work like that. 

If ı were artist, and able to play 50k stadiums, ı would chose them instead of 10k arenas. Who doesn't? This is not ego. This is common sense. 

All artists doesn't try to sell out like you say. Even huge ones. You can see multiple reported shows didn't sell out at concerts of Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, Drake, Nicki Minaj etc. They are few examples. 

If demand is huge, they add more seats to average capacity of arena/stadium. At most of the USA dates, they did it for rep tour. Beyonce sold out stadium with 38k, Taylor with 49 at the same stadium. Both of them sold out, Taylor just added more seats due to demand. And they were weird places. I saw them myself. This is why they play to different capacities. 

Like ı said, as a pop star, she has demand to play stadiums in 5 continents. Can you name any other solo artist able to do that right now except Adele and Ed? 

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47 minutes ago, Andree said:

she's never been local, she's huge in Asia. 

 Everyone loves to ignore Asia  I'd like to know why people think their numbers are irrelevant. 

[Gizem 56]

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I'm just trying to inform those who are unware of how the industry changed.

 

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

It shouldn't matter that albums aren't selling right now - if you're a big name, you should be the exception.

                          

 

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Congrats Taylor! Obsessing with Daylight and Cornelia Street rn 

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1 hour ago, Gizem said:

 

                          

 

I cringed so hard at this. She built her grave in this conversation, right there.

[StrawberryBlond 14,923]

1 hour ago, BornAsUnic0rn said:

Who of your faves is being the exception tho? For the standard that is NOW, Taylor is literally the exception. And this hate train you and others are on needs to stop. 

 

Bohooo she’s just doing amazing, she isn’t doing exceptional. What a flop.

In 2019 she outdid Gaga’s last 4 records, Lana’s whole album circles are what Taylor’s moderate single eras are. 

The problem IS you. Because you hold the biggest artists to unsubstainable standards, not realizing that in your theory and reasoning EVERY artist is losing and flopping. Because YOU nitpick an area where an artist isn’t doing exceptional, and when he/she is you twist it till it isn’t. And you go on and cherrypick a single achievement where another artist did way better. So you frankensteined (see what i did there?) a monster full of crazy successes and achievements no one should ever be compared to and hold it against (in this case) Taylor, just to tear her achievements down. and the question is.. WHY? 

You seen how Gaga’s downfall happened while she still outdid peers with an awful mess of an era. So why are you actively feeding this narrative with Taylor? 

Clearly you are unhappy with yourself and you can’t stand seeing people succeed.

I didn't say any of my faves were the exception, althought Gaga's holding her own right now with ASIB. If she's doing as well as you say, do you really think a hate train will bother her. Doesn't she Shake It Off?

Yes but it's still not good enough for her standards. She started getting US #1 singles with Red and this is her first album not to produce a #1 single in America since 2010 and she's even struggling to keep her singles in the top ten these days. This is the first time since 2010 that she hasn't sold 1m first week in America. It all points to her taking a downfall, slowly but surely. Gaga just got her first #1 after an 8 year drought, so you'd think younger, prettier, safe sweet Taylor could easily get a #1 too, right? If she can't when this has been an incredible year for artists getting their first #1's, it shows we're open to anything. The fact that Taylor couldn't get there, even for just one week, is very telling.

I do this because I don't like to see artists being bigged up as being more successful than they actually are. As Gaga fans, we've had to constantly put up with the public telling us that she's flopping when she's not, especially from bitter fans of other artists. So, when their faves start flopping, damn right I'm going to rub their nose in it. Maybe it'll teach them a lesson not to be so arrogant and grow the f up. I don't buy into this feeling of we should be nice to everyone regardless of how they treat us.  If they're going to nitpick our faves, we'll do it with them. If they drag us over the hot coals, we shouldn't put up with it and you shouldn't dish it if you can't take it.

These artists don't affect me, why should it bother me? I'm just passionate about music and want to see the best win and be praised. I don't like to see people be unfairly praised and their success overblown when the same allowances weren't given to others.

54 minutes ago, Gizem said:

She didn't have so much sales because of exclusive dates. She had so many dates in Oceania and North America. She is already huge in Asia. She has fastest selling song in Japan and her all albums were huge success there. She sold 1.5 million albums in Japan alone. About UK, if she is nothing at mainland Europe like you say, she didn't get help from there. 

Hits doesn't make you bigger anywhere at all. Justin had more hit single in Europe but did he play stadiums there? No. Ariana had much more number 1's at UK than Taylor but she still plays arenas there at her 5. era. People go concert to listen albums, not just for a few songs. 

No, Beyonce doesn't have bigger ww reach. Taylor has much bigger in North America, Asia and Oceania. 

Is this your best example? Come on over tour? The tour had 153 concert at N.A. total of 165. This is what ı was talking about. And 7 arena date in australia is not impressive. Taylor was first woman toured Australia with stadiums after Madonna, with her RED tour as country act. And she played big venues in UK. Thank you for proving my point better. She toured countries in Europe as country act in her most local era aka speak now. Taylor was the country act with most global reach. 

What is end stage numbers? Do every artist use same stage? Taylor's Reputation tour was biggest stage in history example. Her stages are huge. 

According to you, Taylor's %80 North American dates didn't sell out. She played 80k stadiums but 60k sell outs.. It doesn't work like that. 

If ı were artist, and able to play 50k stadiums, ı would chose them instead of 10k arenas. Who doesn't? This is not ego. This is common sense. 

All artists doesn't try to sell out like you say. Even huge ones. You can see multiple reported shows didn't sell out at concerts of Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande, Drake, Nicki Minaj etc. They are few examples. 

If demand is huge, they add more seats to average capacity of arena/stadium. At most of the USA dates, they did it for rep tour. Beyonce sold out stadium with 38k, Taylor with 49 at the same stadium. Both of them sold out, Taylor just added more seats due to demand. And they were weird places. I saw them myself. This is why they play to different capacities. 

Like ı said, as a pop star, she has demand to play stadium in 5 continents. Can you name any other solo artist able to do that right now except Adele and Ed? 

If she were so huge in Asia, she'd go to more places than just Japan. And she's always had good success in Australia, so she's safe to do more dates there. But yeah, she didn't get much success from Europe considering she only did 6 dates there in 2 countries with Reputation, so...you've just proved my point.

These artists may well have played arenas because it keeps costs down and tickets are cheaper, meaning more people will be able to go. I think that's the primary reason most tours are arenas, particularly for those with young fans. And plenty of people, casual fans, go to concerts just to hear the hits. Some artists have played for more people at their tour vs how many actually bought the album. People go to concerts for a performance in general, only the fans go to hear entire albums. The biggest complaint you'll hear from casual fans after a show is that the singer didn't play enough of the hits.

Beyonce used to be bigger in other continents but has neglected them in recent years. I think Beyonce holds far bigger cultural power and recognition. Say her name anywhere in world and people will know who you're talking about.

But you asked for a country singer who could perform for bigger than 4-figure attendences on their third tour...and I gave you one. Now you're looking to nitpick? Hypocritical, much? And you're adding in irrelevant info about Taylor being the first to do things, that isn't what we were talking about so don't change the subject. Don't try to turn things around because I provided you with an answer when you didn't think I could.

Taylor's stage was much smaller with Speak Now as opposed to the multi million dollar light show she does now, so she could totally play for maximum audiences back then. Here's the maximum end stage numbers for the international venues she did for Speak Now plus the numbers she performed for:

Singapore - Singapore Indoor Stadium - 12,000 max (sold 8,964)

Seoul - Olympic Gymnastics Arena - 15,000 max (sold 4,725)

Osaka - Osaka-jo Hall - 16,000 max (sold 6,953)

Tokyo - Nippon Budokan - 14,471 max meaning 28,942 for 2 shows (sold 15,955 for 2 shows)

Manila - Smart Araneta Coliseum - 25,000 max (sold 12,667)

Hong Kong - AsiaWorld Arena - 16,000 max (sold 12,573)

Brussels - Forest National - 8,400 max (sold 4,622)

Rotterdam - Rotterdam Ahoy - 16,426 max (sold 4,799)

Oslo - Oslo Spektrum -9,400 max (sold 8,650)

Oberhausen - Konig Pilsener Arena - 12,650 max (sold 6,082)

Milan - Mediolanum Forum - 12,700 max (sold 3,421)

Paris - Zenith Paris - 9,000 max (sold 3,598)

Madrid - Palacio de Deportes - 15,500 max (sold 3,962)

Birmingham - Genting Arena - 15,685 max (sold 9,339)

Belfast - Odyssey Arena - 10,800 max (sold 8,058)

Dublin - The O2 - 13,000 max (sold 8,681)

Manchester - Manchester Evening News Arena - 17,000 max (sold 10,488)

London - The O2 Arena - 16,200 max (sold 15,265)

Perth - Burswood Dome - 20,000 max (sold 15,142)

Adelaide - Adelaide Entertainment Centre - 11,300 max (sold 8,589)

Brisbane - Brisbane Entertainment Centre - 13,601 max meaning 27,202 for 2 shows (sold 19,870 with 2 shows)

Sydney - Allphones Arena - 18,200 max meaning 54,600 for 3 shows (27,900 with 3 shows)

Melbourne - Rod Laver Arena - 16,200 max meaning 48,600 for 3 shows (sold 33,793 with 3 shows)

Auckland - Vector Arena - 12,000 max meaning 36,000 for 3 shows (sold 32,585 with 3 shows)

As you can see, Hong Kong, Oslo, Belfast, London, Perth, Brisbane and Auckland were the only ones that had truly good figures, everything else was 50-75% at best. This is the state of standards when it comes to "sell outs."

Yep, selling 60k in an 80k capacity isn't a sell-out either, not technically. I'm not saying it's not good but it's not a sell out in the technical sense when you realise how many tickets were left unsold.

But if you had a good group of loyal fans in a country who may not be the most populous but could easily fill a small arena, wouldn't you want to give them that? That's how you keep fans.

I know multiple big artists don't sell out, some really flop actually, but it all depends on what the venue's algorithm is and if they grossly overestimated how big a fanbase they had there.

I know they add seats...but you can only add so many, obviously. And if you started off small and didn't need to add any more, then you're a flop and you've proven my point.

5 continents? America, Europe, Asia, Oceania and where's the 5th one? South America isn't a continent, that's part of America and she's never played a date there, so...and this isn't a competition. I didn't claim that there's loads of artists who have the demand for a 5 continent stadium tour but right now, Gaga could totally do it. She's played stadiums on every continent, including ones Taylor's never been to, after all. *mic drop*

[Gizem 56]

17 minutes ago, BornAsUnic0rn said:

I cringed so hard at this. She built her grave in this conversation, right there.

She did the same thing in the past multiple times. This is third time ı say to her "you contradict with yourself". She thinks she makes points but contradict with herself only. Looks desperate at this point. 

[BornAsUnic0rn 2,101]

3 minutes ago, Gizem said:

She did the same thing in the past multiple times. This is third time ı say to her "you contradict with yourself". She thinks she makes points but contradict with herself only. Looks desperate at this point. 

Even her “look at how well ASIB went” argument against her “800k first week, what a decline!” Argument is laughable. And her “she couldn’t even get a number one when even Gaga got one and so many artists this year got their first one”, I can’t and I won’t. Getting a number one is about luck and timing. Most songs going to 1 this year did so because of memes and going viral, shallow included. And Taylor hit #2 with an universally panned song and a classical release, only beaten by a viral record breaking one hit wonder hit that was unbeatable. 

#1s and Single Success doesn’t mean ****. 

If Gaga’s songs don’t catch momentum they most of the time barely scratch at the Top10 at best. So if I ever flop, let me flop like Taylor please. 

[Gizem 56]

48 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Yes but it's still not good enough for her standards. She started getting US #1 singles with Red and this is her first album not to produce a #1 single in America since 2010 and she's even struggling to keep her singles in the top ten these days. This is the first time since 2010 that she hasn't sold 1m first week in America. It all points to her taking a downfall, slowly but surely. Gaga just got her first #1 after an 8 year drought, so you'd think younger, prettier, safe sweet Taylor could easily get a #1 too, right? If she can't when this has been an incredible year for artists getting their first #1's, it shows we're open to anything. The fact that Taylor couldn't get there, even for just one week, is very telling.

This is the desperate points ı meant to. "she didn't have number 1". She had 2 number 2 blocked by biggest hot100 song of all time. "she didn't sold 1 million first time" This is the first album she put to streaming and only sold 100k less than 1 million. You try so desperately. Totally. Me! had more point at number 2 then your called number 1's.

48 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

If she were so huge in Asia, she'd go to more places than just Japan. And she's always had good success in Australia, so she's safe to do more dates there. But yeah, she didn't get much success from Europe considering she only did 6 dates there in 2 countries with Reputation, so...you've just proved my point.

She played multiple arenas in Asia and Europe. She jumped to stadiums in some of them, other arena ones in past are matter of time. 

48 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

These artists may well have played arenas because it keeps costs down and tickets are cheaper, meaning more people will be able to go. I think that's the primary reason most tours are arenas, particularly for those with young fans. And plenty of people, casual fans, go to concerts just to hear the hits. Some artists have played for more people at their tour vs how many actually bought the album. People go to concerts for a performance in general, only the fans go to hear entire albums. The biggest complaint you'll hear from casual fans after a show is that the singer didn't play enough of the hits.

Excuses and excuses again. So why did they play stadiums at places they can play? Because there was demand. There was not enough demand for stadiums where they played at arenas. 

48 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

But you asked for a country singer who could perform for bigger than 4-figure attendences on their third tour...and I gave you one. Now you're looking to nitpick? Hypocritical, much? And you're adding in irrelevant info about Taylor being the first to do things, that isn't what we were talking about so don't change the subject. Don't try to turn things around because I provided you with an answer when you didn't think I could.

No you didn't gave me answer. I asked an artist played at Europe, you gave me artist played at only UK. But you said Taylor can't play at Europe but only UK because of no demand. And she played at UK even at her first tour. This is what we call "hypocritical". 

And Australia was now irrelevant point. Subject was global reach of country acts and ıt was Taylor's. The things are not irrelevant just because they don't work on your favour. 

48 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Yep, selling 60k in an 80k capacity isn't a sell-out either, not technically. I'm not saying it's not good but it's not a sell out in the technical sense when you realise how many tickets were left unsold.

But if you had a good group of loyal fans in a country who may not be the most populous but could easily fill a small arena, wouldn't you want to give them that? That's how you keep fans.

I know multiple big artists don't sell out, some really flop actually, but it all depends on what the venue's algorithm is and if they grossly overestimated how big a fanbase they had there.

Sold out means how many tickets you try to sell, and if you sell them, it is sold out. Nothing about capacity of stadium. 

48 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I know they add seats...but you can only add so many, obviously. And if you started off small and didn't need to add any more, then you're a flop and you've proven my point.

5 continents? America, Europe, Asia, Oceania and where's the 5th one? South America isn't a continent, that's part of America and she's never played a date there, so...and this isn't a competition. I didn't claim that there's loads of artists who have the demand for a 5 continent stadium tour but right now, Gaga could totally do it. She's played stadiums on every continent, including ones Taylor's never been to, after all. *mic drop*

Let's not go there. Taylor played more than 100 stadiums in her career at 4 continent. Let's not.  

And South America is a continent. https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/continents-of-the-world.html

[BornAsUnic0rn 2,101]

2 minutes ago, Gizem said:

This is the desperate points ı meant to. "she didn't have number 1". She had 2 number 2 blocked by biggest hot100 song of all time. "she didn't sold 1 million first time" This is the first album she put to streaming and only sold 100k less than 1 million. You try so desperately. Totally. Me! had more point at number 2 then your called number 1's.

She played multiple arenas in Asia and Europe. She jumped to stadiums in some of them, other arena ones in past are matter of time. 

Excuses and excuses again. So why did they play stadiums at places tt y can play? Because the was demand. There was not enough demand for stadiums where they played at arenas. 

No you didn't gave me answer. I asked an artist played at Europe, you gave me artist played at only UK. But you said Taylor can't play at Europe but only UK because of no demand. This is what we call "hypocritical". 

Sold out means how many tickets you try to sell, and if you sell them, it is sold out. Nothing about capacity of stadium. 

Let's not go there. Taylor played more than 100 stadiums in her career at 4 continent. Let's not.  

And South America is a continent. https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/continents-of-the-world.html

Her hypocrisy and her bias jumped out. And with that she dismissed the existence of a whole continent.

[Gizem 56]

7 minutes ago, BornAsUnic0rn said:

Her hypocrisy and her bias jumped out. And with that she dismissed the existence of a whole continent.

I screamed at last sentence

Her desperation gone too far, she even rejects the existence of continents to her favour. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,923]

@Gizem I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore. Not because I think you're right but because there's clearly no reasoning with you. You didn't even acknowledge the bit I said about the end stage capacities probably because it showed how dreadfully misinformed you were. Then you have the nerve to laugh at me for saying that South America isn't a continent. FYI, there's all different ways continents can be interpreted and I was raised and taught that there were 6 - America, Europe, Africa, Asia, Oceania and Antarctica. The phrase "sub continents" is around for a reason to break it down further if you want. Look up how there's multiple legit ways to define the number of continents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent

Don't ever insult my intelligence again. I'm done.

[Gizem 56]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Don't ever insult my intelligence again.

 I don't call it intelligence but ı didn't insult your knowledge. You said south america is not a continent(see below) and ı said it is(which it is). 

17 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

5 continents? America, Europe, Asia, Oceania and where's the 5th one? South America isn't a continent. 

So if ı don't agree with you and come with another information, do ı insult?    

But if something like that hurt your feelings, ı am sorry. 

Whatever, ıf we kept conversation, something couldn't change anyway. Have a nice day. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,923]

8 minutes ago, Gizem said:

 I don't call it intelligence but ı didn't insult your knowledge. You said south america is not a continent(see below) and ı said it is(which it is). 

So if ı don't agree with you and come with another information, do ı insult?    

But if something like that hurt your feelings, ı am sorry. 

Whatever, ıf we kept conversation, something couldn't change anyway. Have a nice day. 

To acquire knowledge requires intelligence, they work hand in hand. We can both technically be right in the continent case as both theories are considered legit. But I also find it pretty infuriating that you ask me to come with receipts regarding the end stage capacities, I give them to you and you won't accept them. To round it off with laughing at me because I count the Americas all as one big continent (which is what a lot of people do) was just too far.

[Gizem 56]

4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

To acquire knowledge requires intelligence, they work hand in hand.

You need intelligence for knowledge. But you can have so much knowledge by searching or reading so much without intelligence that much. 

4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

But I also find it pretty infuriating that you ask me to come with receipts regarding the end stage capacities, I give them to you and you won't accept them.

I explained you. If demand is so much, you can add more seats that average sold out capacity. This is why there was more attendance. Especially at floor. 

4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

To round it off with laughing at me because I count the Americas all as one big continent (which is what a lot of people do) was just too far.

I didn't laugh to America thing. I laughed to how you use things in your favour even if it means to eat your own words. And ı put how you did it 3 times before. Like ı said, ıf it sound rude to you, ı apologize.