Miley Cyrus - Mother's Daughter

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This video is so aesthetically pleasing to me 

[Ziggy 11,951]

4 hours ago, NCgaga said:

I get both sides of the spectrum. This video did primarily represent alternative women. I don’t see anything wrong with that, since alternative omen are represented the least. I

i do believe we need to back off on pushing “obesity is beautiful, too”. No one is naturally obese. It’s a health risk and should not be seen as positive. Healthy lifestyles that support moderation should be seen as beautiful. Moderation being the average body- nothing super skinny, nothing obese. Society has made a push to say Overly skinny is unacceptable. Obesity should be met the same way. 

Jeez, let's not assume we know more about someone's health than themselves. There are other factors that preclude obesity besides eating a lot of food. Actually, a number of my friends would be considered obese and they eat less than I do, and sometimes very little, and also can't do a lot of super strenuous exercises because of their joints (born with problem) and heart problems (genetic). The amount that disease, medication, and genetics play a part is staggering. Also, it's not mutually exclusive to say that we need to promote health while simultaneously mocking and demeaning obese people. We don't know their lives, we don't know their story, and more than that it's none of our business. We should stop policing bodies, full stop. It's messed up.

 

If we're going to talk about promoting health, we need to get out of this very antiquated idea that healthy has a look, and *also* encourage education teaching how to address and maintain health if you are not totally able-bodied. Ableism is such a thing.

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Video of the year

This whole SHE IS COMING EP cycle and sound has been an absolute serve, Gaga take notes

[Nikolai Barrow 1,337]

10 hours ago, SKANK said:

 

Why not? There is no rule that music videos for soundtracks have to be clip montages. That is just the norm. Since when do we value people who follow norms?

A few beautifully directed music videos for the ASIB singles would have been great. 

It would have distracted from the movie. The whole focas was on the movie and selling more tickets to it.  The whole movie basically counts as one long music video if you think of it. It would just be weird to reshoot different scenes than were in the movie. Would have broken character.

I trust LG6's videos will be amazing as it's likely going to he the kind of music that fits sickening visuals better. 

[Nikolai Barrow 1,337]

53 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Jeez, let's not assume we know more about someone's health than themselves. There are other factors that preclude obesity besides eating a lot of food. Actually, a number of my friends would be considered obese and they eat less than I do, and sometimes very little, and also can't do a lot of super strenuous exercises because of their joints (born with problem) and heart problems (genetic). The amount that disease, medication, and genetics play a part is staggering. Also, it's not mutually exclusive to say that we need to promote health while simultaneously mocking and demeaning obese people. We don't know their lives, we don't know their story, and more than that it's none of our business. We should stop policing bodies, full stop. It's messed up.

 

If we're going to talk about promoting health, we need to get out of this very antiquated idea that healthy has a look, and *also* encourage education teaching how to address and maintain health if you are not totally able-bodied. Ableism is such a thing.

Well said   

[SKANK 14,288]

4 hours ago, Nikolai Barrow said:

It would have distracted from the movie. The whole focas was on the movie and selling more tickets to it.  The whole movie basically counts as one long music video if you think of it. It would just be weird to reshoot different scenes than were in the movie. Would have broken character.

I trust LG6's videos will be amazing as it's likely going to he the kind of music that fits sickening visuals better. 

 

I understand the logic behind keeping the focus on the film. It was her first big film project, so she was already extending herself.

But it was her music that swept award season, not the film itself. The music is solid enough to be worthy of oringal visuals, independent from the film, even if that isn’t traditionally done. 

It would have been interesting for her to have sent Hair Body Face to Sophie to do a remix, with a trippy video direct by Ssion, or just to release an EP of the soundtrack remixed. 

 

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Amazing video, so many messages, symbolism, whatever, but aesthetically found it a bit boring, not my style of thing that I'd watch hundreds of times like her other videos. But that shot with her mother during the bridge is so dope, I love it.

[Nikolai Barrow 1,337]

3 hours ago, SKANK said:

 

I understand the logic behind keeping the focus on the film. It was her first big film project, so she was already extending herself.

But it was her music that swept award season, not the film itself. The music is solid enough to be worthy of oringal visuals, independent from the film, even if that isn’t traditionally done. 

It would have been interesting for her to have sent Hair Body Face to Sophie to do a remix, with a trippy video direct by Ssion, or just to release an EP of the soundtrack remixed. 

 

I totally get what you're saying! I initially imagined that the music videos of the songs would be music videos of Ally (sorta like Ashley O) 

The music is definitely what lead the movie. But i think that Warner Bros really wanted people to go out and see the movie. Not just consume the music. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,910]

On 7/3/2019 at 6:09 AM, GreekGod said:

I’m sorry, but I guess you’re overanalyzing and dramatizing things. Marginalized women are featured in the video because they are the ones being judged or excluded, not the “conforming” ones - they are usually “celebrated” anyways. Plus of course director wants to go with sharp scenes, it is obvious from the art direction of video. This is not a social ad to have the responsibility to cater every woman, it is just a music video to a rebel pop song. Chill.

Notice how as soon as a woman voices a complaint about how women are portrayed, a man tells her that she's over-analysing and being dramatic? Even ones who claim to stand up for women? If you claim to stand for all women, you'll be respectful of opinions of all women, not just the ones you agree with. If you'd read what I said carefully you'd see that I wasn't asking for perfect women or just one kind of women. I wanted a wide spectrum of every kind of woman, including but not limited to, alternative ones. That is the definition of inclusive and yet it's the portrayal that is rarely seen and is even criticised when its suggested.

On 7/3/2019 at 7:42 AM, NCgaga said:

I get both sides of the spectrum. This video did primarily represent alternative women. I don’t see anything wrong with that, since alternative omen are represented the least. I

i do believe we need to back off on pushing “obesity is beautiful, too”. No one is naturally obese. It’s a health risk and should not be seen as positive. Healthy lifestyles that support moderation should be seen as beautiful. Moderation being the average body- nothing super skinny, nothing obese. Society has made a push to say Overly skinny is unacceptable. Obesity should be met the same way. 

But why not feature all types of women, including alternative ones? I just find it hard to get behind a portrayal of womenhood that only celebrates alternative, yet claims itself to be the most progressive, forward-thinking theory.

But totally on board with the idea of only celebrating healthy body shapes. And by that, the ones we know from background checks are healthy as well (it's possible to look healthy but be unhealthy internally). Extremes are rarely healthy yet we are told now that skinny is bad but we should celebrate obesity. It's no wonder that eating disorders are still as high as they've ever been and over-eating is an eating disorder too. I remember reading an article from a woman who claimed that it was healthy to be overweight because the majority of overweight people who lose weight can't maintain it. Not only is that not true as plenty of overweight people have lost weight and kept it off but the reason they put it back on is nothing to do with the fact that their body thought their lighter weight was unhealthy but because they fell back into bad habits that ruined their hard work. It's really dangerous to put uninformed opinions lacking in scientific logic out into the public regarding such important health issues.

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20 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Notice how as soon as a woman voices a complaint about how women are portrayed, a man tells her that she's over-analysing and being dramatic? Even ones who claim to stand up for women? If you claim to stand for all women, you'll be respectful of opinions of all women, not just the ones you agree with. If you'd read what I said carefully you'd see that I wasn't asking for perfect women or just one kind of women. I wanted a wide spectrum of every kind of woman, including but not limited to, alternative ones. That is the definition of inclusive and yet it's the portrayal that is rarely seen and is even criticised when its suggested.

I did not show any disrespect to your opinion, rather I voiced by own opinion, and I support all women, all men, everyone as long as their freedom doesn’t restrict others’. And  I get your point regarding portrayal of all groups and everyone. But I guess you missed the point of song and video, as it weighs on the segment of people who are mocked and restricted - like obese, transsexual, disabled etc., in order to give them their freedom that the rest of women have access to. This video doesn’t have responsibility to feature every type of women, as it focuses more on the ones whose freedoms are restricted. Video doesn’t imply only alternative ones should be celebrated. Confirming ones are accepted and loved by society anyways. This is like straight people asking “why do gay men have pride marches, but straight men don’t have?”. Because straight men do not need it as much as gay men. Simple. 

 

Having said that, would I like to see mainstream women in the video? I definitely would. But it wouldn’t serve much to the message. It would be inclusiveness for the sake of inclusiveness.