JusKeepBreathin 19,311 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 On 6/28/2019 at 8:00 AM, Ziggy said: Hillary supporter? If anything he was the biggest thorn in her side last election. He campaigned for her after to bet Trump, not support her, but he held out so long dropping out that I would definitely not say he's her biggest fan lol Girl don't engage her or look her directly in the eyes. "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." -Martin Luther King Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dit 46,738 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 He was not impressive during the debates and fell flat imo. Additionally I have a very hard time believing he could win against Trump. America still is not ready for a gay candidate. The democrats would be handing over the election to Trump if they nominate Pete. Strategically only Bernie and Kamala stand a chance at this point. I don't agree with Kamala's political approach and I also highly dislike the fact that she takes PAC money in droves but after that debate...she seems like she is 100% apt to take on Trump. She also seems like a moderate democrats which could be attractive to some of the republican voters on edge. Then there is Bernie who is just ridiculously popular and was low key robbed of being the past democratic candidate. But even he'd have some trouble toppling Trump honestly. It just seems like whoever gets nominated won't win. Americans love for their presidents to serve 2 terms and I highly doubt Trump won't, sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUtterfield 8 41,822 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 I know it’s early but who do y’all think will be the final 2 democratic candidates? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delusional Aura 5,129 Posted June 30, 2019 Author Share Posted June 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Rainbow1 said: I know it’s early but who do y’all think will be the final 2 democratic candidates? I think realistically it would between Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders. In my ideal world i would like it to be Pete but as some people pointed out America isn't ready for a gay candidate. I didn't even know he was gay when i saw the debate, i found out on GGD when i posted this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackpoppodcast 1,568 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 He doesn’t have the personality to defeat trump unfortunately. He would make a great VP!! I’m strongly team Castro right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Heart 15,041 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 The very recent police shooting in the town he runs has been a massive black eye in his campaign. If he can't handle that event right, I'm not sure if he can handle the entire country. ▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealJT 2,291 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 The problem isn’t that he’s gay. The problem is that he’s white and is inexperienced. At this moment he would never get the black vote. Black voters right now only support Biden and Booker. Maybe Kamala, until they find out about her past. I could see them maybe rallying behind Warren. A Warren and Booker ticket might be a good one, a little underwhelming but it’s not terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillaume Hamon 7,025 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Vroom Vroom said: Black voters right now only support Biden and Booker. I'm surprised they support Biden! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealJT 2,291 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, Guillaume Hamon said: I'm surprised they support Biden! Because they connect him with Obama Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillaume Hamon 7,025 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said: Because they connect him with Obama I see. Cause it's not his past that scream "I'm the guy who gonna help black people if I become president" lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid AT 78 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 He surely has momentum. Let's wait for other figures but this is awesome! Pete "I was protected by the monks of Azarath, I was raised by my friends. They are my family, this is my home and you are not welcome here." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petie Estie 5,720 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 https://medium.com/@westonpagano/a-guide-to-the-2020-democratic-candidates-you-should-not-vote-for-c1c6e4c9c26 PETE BUTTIGIEG can at least partially speak a lot of languages and would be a historic first gay president, but he has less experience than Bernie had in 1988, and those 7 years as Mayor of Indiana’s 4th biggest town have been problematic at best. TOP 5 HIGHLIGHTS: Fired South Bend’s black police chief for exposing racism in the police force, then lied about it, then fired those calling for an investigation, possibly leaving innocent black people imprisoned while some in his inner circle backed a $45,000 loan to one of the accused racist cops Refused to investigate the apparent lynching of a 16 year-old black boy When a white officer with a documented history of racist behavior that violated department policy was allowed to stay on the force without a bodycam he shot and killed an elderly black man, and Mayor Pete spoke to media before the victim’s family, skipped the vigil, and then gave a speech to the police instead to much criticism Allowed a white officer to keep his job after multiple racist and violent incidents including beating and tasing an innocent teen after breaking into the wrong house, and torturing a disabled man and posting a video of it online as retaliation for the man filing a complaint about the force ignoring a drunk driving incident, even despite a community-led campaign and petition Oversaw increases in homelessness and displacement during his time as Mayor of South Bend BUT THAT’S NOT ALL: Oversaw a police force that was forced to pay out over $1.3 million in brutality and civil rights settlements Oversaw a 50% decrease in black officers on the police force, replacing many who left due to not being given promotions with white officers Demolished the homes of many South Bend residents unable to afford repairs and drastically ramped up unfair fines Did little to address the disproportionately high rates of poverty and unemployment among South Bend people of color Increased overall inequality in South Bend during his time as Mayor Responded to Black Lives Matter with the right-wing response “All Lives Matter” Dismisses workers striking for fair wages with right-wing epithet “social justice warriors” Does not support true Medicare for All and is the only top candidate not providing health care to his own staff Opposes tuition free public college Proposes mandatory national service Wants to keep troops in Syria Opposed Obama ending the torture of whistleblower Chelsea Manning Supports Israel’s bloody right-wing apartheid to the point he wants to model US security after it Opposes reversing Trump’s relocation of the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem Worked for evil McKinsey consulting firm Supports continued removal of incarcerated people’s voting rights Was for a while the only top candidate openly funding his campaign with lobbyist money, accepts money from Blackstone, and is one of Wall Street’s favorite candidates Won’t support universal childcare Has previously supported people opting out of vaccinations for personal or religious reasons Despite Indiana voters democratically choosing Bernie Sanders he chose to be a pledged delegate for Hillary Clinton instead, ignoring the will of his constituents Takes part in shady, backroom meetings in which the establishment plots to stop progressives Doesn’t support boycotting corporations for political reasons His pandering is kinda racist Would not push for a Democrat man to resign from office over sexual misconduct Polling shows he would likely lose to Trump in a general election Call your therapist...it's Petie Estie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid AT 78 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, SEANGT said: https://medium.com/@westonpagano/a-guide-to-the-2020-democratic-candidates-you-should-not-vote-for-c1c6e4c9c26 PETE BUTTIGIEG can at least partially speak a lot of languages and would be a historic first gay president, but he has less experience than Bernie had in 1988, and those 7 years as Mayor of Indiana’s 4th biggest town have been problematic at best. TOP 5 HIGHLIGHTS: Fired South Bend’s black police chief for exposing racism in the police force, then lied about it, then fired those calling for an investigation, possibly leaving innocent black people imprisoned while some in his inner circle backed a $45,000 loan to one of the accused racist cops Refused to investigate the apparent lynching of a 16 year-old black boy When a white officer with a documented history of racist behavior that violated department policy was allowed to stay on the force without a bodycam he shot and killed an elderly black man, and Mayor Pete spoke to media before the victim’s family, skipped the vigil, and then gave a speech to the police instead to much criticism Allowed a white officer to keep his job after multiple racist and violent incidents including beating and tasing an innocent teen after breaking into the wrong house, and torturing a disabled man and posting a video of it online as retaliation for the man filing a complaint about the force ignoring a drunk driving incident, even despite a community-led campaign and petition Oversaw increases in homelessness and displacement during his time as Mayor of South Bend BUT THAT’S NOT ALL: Oversaw a police force that was forced to pay out over $1.3 million in brutality and civil rights settlements Oversaw a 50% decrease in black officers on the police force, replacing many who left due to not being given promotions with white officers Demolished the homes of many South Bend residents unable to afford repairs and drastically ramped up unfair fines Did little to address the disproportionately high rates of poverty and unemployment among South Bend people of color Increased overall inequality in South Bend during his time as Mayor Responded to Black Lives Matter with the right-wing response “All Lives Matter” Dismisses workers striking for fair wages with right-wing epithet “social justice warriors” Does not support true Medicare for All and is the only top candidate not providing health care to his own staff Opposes tuition free public college Proposes mandatory national service Wants to keep troops in Syria Opposed Obama ending the torture of whistleblower Chelsea Manning Supports Israel’s bloody right-wing apartheid to the point he wants to model US security after it Opposes reversing Trump’s relocation of the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem Worked for evil McKinsey consulting firm Supports continued removal of incarcerated people’s voting rights Was for a while the only top candidate openly funding his campaign with lobbyist money, accepts money from Blackstone, and is one of Wall Street’s favorite candidates Won’t support universal childcare Has previously supported people opting out of vaccinations for personal or religious reasons Despite Indiana voters democratically choosing Bernie Sanders he chose to be a pledged delegate for Hillary Clinton instead, ignoring the will of his constituents Takes part in shady, backroom meetings in which the establishment plots to stop progressives Doesn’t support boycotting corporations for political reasons His pandering is kinda racist Would not push for a Democrat man to resign from office over sexual misconduct Polling shows he would likely lose to Trump in a general election There's literally zero evidence on more than 80% of these claims. Plus, he has taken responsibility for his shortcomings in the past. It takes a lot of honesty and integrity to admit failures publicly. He even preemptively left his campaign trail to address the situation at South Bend first hand. That's what a true leader does, confronts the situation upfront and not run away from issues like Trump does. Seems like more or less a smear campaign against him. We'll see how he fares in the upcoming months. Till then, he has my vote. "I was protected by the monks of Azarath, I was raised by my friends. They are my family, this is my home and you are not welcome here." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petie Estie 5,720 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, HybridAT said: There's literally zero evidence on more than 80% of these claims. Plus, he has taken responsibility for his shortcomings in the past. It takes a lot of honesty and integrity to admit failures publicly. He even preemptively left his campaign trail to address the situation at South Bend first hand. That's what a true leader does, confronts the situation upfront and not run away from issues like Trump does. Seems like more or less a smear campaign against him. We'll see how he fares in the upcoming months. Till then, he has my vote. he has my vote in the general but there are better options in the primary if you want a fighter for progressive values IMO. Pete is probably one of the best so i'm not mad at any of his supporters. Everyone should just know his weaknesses. Call your therapist...it's Petie Estie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrid AT 78 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, SEANGT said: he has my vote in the general but there are better options in the primary if you want a fighter for progressive values IMO. Pete is probably one of the best so i'm not mad at any of his supporters. Everyone should just know his weaknesses. True. Although I think he addressed majority of these issues (the only one that has haunted him is his dealing with racial situations in South Bend which I think he did a moderately decent job in the debate, not great but decent), some of those are really pointless. For instance, Worked for evil McKinsey consulting firm About the All Lives Matter remark, he has already clarified his stance on that. People should do their research before blindly posting anything on the internet that is going to influence opinions. But again, I'm sensing that's what the motive of the author was, to demonize other top candidates and show them in a bad light (with poor research) just because he's a Bernie supporter. Oh well. "I was protected by the monks of Azarath, I was raised by my friends. They are my family, this is my home and you are not welcome here." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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