Taylor Swift shades Kim Kardashian

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Nah, she was being petty the whole way through. And her victim persona has been the way it is long past that. To call that a hate campaign is too much. 

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1 hour ago, DelusionalGaga said:

That was barely a bullying campaign. However, the whole Bad Blood thing against Katy was kinda an ass move and she never apologized for it. 

 

1 hour ago, Gohan said:

Exactly. I hate how her fans are always like "omg poor Taylor she suffered :(" when she basically did the same if thing to Katy Perry. Lmao.

Except she didn’t, uninformed people and stans started spreading that narrative but it’s not true lmao

Taylor only mentioned the feud one time, in a Rolling Stone feature before the album came out, but she never once shaded or was passive aggressive to Katy. Also the song makes zero reference to her and is generally about a friendship gone sour. Unlike Katy, who talked about Taylor in every Witness interview and tired to come for her with Swish Swish and all those tweets. Also her dancers who tried to stir the pot. So she doesn’t have to apologize for anything and this was nothing like the Kim episode 

the pettiness like the Spotify thing is another matter though 

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I really enjoy taylors music but I will always be team Kim K

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2 hours ago, DelusionalGaga said:

That was barely a bullying campaign. However, the whole Bad Blood thing against Katy was kinda an ass move and she never apologized for it. 

She doesn't have to apologize for writing a song that gives NO details about the person it's about. Bad Blood is literally a vague, pop song. The stans put the pieces together and figured out it was about Katy (and Katy also made it obvious that it was about her by feeding into the rumors). Kim launched a direct smear campaign against Taylor. 

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The victim card seems to be Taylor's favorite

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1. She needs to let it go. 2. There’s a huge difference between being bullied and being exposed for your own awful behavior and LIES. 3. She really needs to let it go.

[StrawberryBlond 14,879]

Thing is, there's bad behaviour from both sides.

While it wasn't right to record that phone call and put a private conversation online in general, it is a bit different when it happens to singers in a business transaction as opposed to a regular citizen. Recording calls is a lot more understandable when you're getting permission for something that could result in legal action if you don't. You want that audio proof that they did give permission if the need arises. And in this case, Taylor was basically claiming that Kanye didn't tell her anything about this song, when in reality, he had phoned her and they'd talked about it, so Taylor was lying about her total lack of involvement. Kim was annoyed that this was yet more negative publicity against her husband and didn't want his name to be smeared, so put the evidence out there for the world to see. And it's not made clear if Taylor knew anything about the famous line because she did say something about "it didn't matter if I'd sold 7 million copies, you didn't know who I was" and that basically it was ok for him to say this line with that in mind. That response has nothing to do with the earlier line, so it suggests she maybe knew more than what she was letting on.

Taylor, as awful as this must have been for her, has been using the victim card for a long time. Up until that moment, she was always the victim in every failed relationship and this was an angle that she was used to leaning on for public sympathy, so that's immediately where she jumped when Kanye put that song out. But until that moment, she'd never had a serious response from anyone in her songs. She's written a lot of songs about exes, but none of them have said anything back. And Kanye has been doing nothing but apologising to her since 2009. So, when Taylor suddenly experienced someone she'd criticised come back to bite her with evidence to back up their claim, it was a new response that she was not ready for. She went quiet for a long time for a reason. Up until now, her image had been rock solid, nothing could have shaken it but now she was being painted as a liar and her image was in the worst place it had ever been. She likely didn't know how to deal with that. Taylor was always used to being the victor in every situation, but not this time and she wasn't ready for it. And let's not forget she publicly dissed Katy before this, so there was a sense of she needed to be brought down a peg or two and humbled. That's what happens when you become that powerful in the industry.

Did Kim expose her in a way that could be deemed bullying and a smear campaign? Yes. But was she providing evidence that Taylor was being a bit economical with the truth? Also yes. Was Taylor hurt by this campaign against her? Yes. But was she being called out on reasonable grounds? Also yes.

At the end of the day, she needs to move on. Kim said they had on a recent episode of What What Happens Live. If she's moved on, I think it's totally time for Taylor to as well. I can't believe its been approaching almost 3 years since this happened. The situation's over, the song/album addressing it has stopped promotion, both sides have learned something from it. I just honestly don't want to hear about any Taylor/Kanye connection again. Its been nearly a decade since MTVGate and it's just boring at this point.

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6 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Thing is, there's bad behaviour from both sides.

While it wasn't right to record that phone call and put a private conversation online in general, it is a bit different when it happens to singers in a business transaction as opposed to a regular citizen. Recording calls is a lot more understandable when you're getting permission for something that could result in legal action if you don't. You want that audio proof that they did give permission if the need arises. And in this case, Taylor was basically claiming that Kanye didn't tell her anything about this song, when in reality, he had phoned her and they'd talked about it, so Taylor was lying about her total lack of involvement. Kim was annoyed that this was yet more negative publicity against her husband and didn't want his name to be smeared, so put the evidence out there for the world to see. And it's not made clear if Taylor knew anything about the famous line because she did say something about "it didn't matter if I'd sold 7 million copies, you didn't know who I was" and that basically it was ok for him to say this line with that in mind. That response has nothing to do with the earlier line, so it suggests she maybe knew more than what she was letting on.

Taylor, as awful as this must have been for her, has been using the victim card for a long time. Up until that moment, she was always the victim in every failed relationship and this was an angle that she was used to leaning on for public sympathy, so that's immediately where she jumped when Kanye put that song out. But until that moment, she'd never had a serious response from anyone in her songs. She's written a lot of songs about exes, but none of them have said anything back. And Kanye has been doing nothing but apologising to her since 2009. So, when Taylor suddenly experienced someone she'd criticised come back to bite her with evidence to back up their claim, it was a new response that she was not ready for. She went quiet for a long time for a reason. Up until now, her image had been rock solid, nothing could have shaken it but now she was being painted as a liar and her image was in the worst place it had ever been. She likely didn't know how to deal with that. Taylor was always used to being the victor in every situation, but not this time and she wasn't ready for it. And let's not forget she publicly dissed Katy before this, so there was a sense of she needed to be brought down a peg or two and humbled. That's what happens when you become that powerful in the industry.

Did Kim expose her in a way that could be deemed bullying and a smear campaign? Yes. But was she providing evidence that Taylor was being a bit economical with the truth? Also yes. Was Taylor hurt by this campaign against her? Yes. But was she being called out on reasonable grounds? Also yes.

At the end of the day, she needs to move on. Kim said they had on a recent episode of What What Happens Live. If she's moved on, I think it's totally time for Taylor to as well. I can't believe its been approaching almost 3 years since this happened. The situation's over, the song/album addressing it has stopped promotion, both sides have learned something from it. I just honestly don't want to hear about any Taylor/Kanye connection again. Its been nearly a decade since MTVGate and it's just boring at this point.

Taylor did claim Kim edited the call and lied on the LWYMMD vid

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Makes sense. At some point, you have to shift how you are responding to being bullied. If you can joke about it, you are doing something to change the narrative inside your head. 

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Stating facts isn’t the same as throwing shade.

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not really shade, she's just stating facts. also i'm pretty sure katy and taylor already made up in private. she never outrightly said it was about katy, she merely gave some information on what inspired the song, and then fans just concluded it was katy and katy also confirmed it was about her.

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I love Taylor. I love how she has mentioned this story a handful of times but never specifically named Kim (even though she doesn’t need to, we all get the reference). If she was a “snake” she would go out of her way to use this as a new way to attack Kim. She would have fought back. Instead she simply uses an instance where she was hurt by someone’s words and turns it around to show her young fans how to not let bullies have a strong power over you. Taylor is incredibly influential and has many young fans who are growing up in the age of social media, and many of them have to deal with cyber bullying. She has used this incident on a few separate occasions (I believe) to show them that if they are bullied or ridiculed, they can use it as a way to raise up and not be torn down. This truly shows her character. I have so much respect for her. 

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15 hours ago, Lighter said:

Taylor did claim Kim edited the call and lied on the LWYMMD vid

It was edited but Taylor was still being called to ask permission for the line (even if it wasn't the whole line). It was edited because it was filmed through an Snapchat and could only record in a few second segments each time, so that's why there's a whole bunch of clips that are a bit choppy and sloppily edited. But it paints a picture of Taylor being asked and being very enthusiastic about the line, she was flattered. Yet, when she made that speech at the Grammys and any subsequent rebuttals about it, she acted as if Kanye hadn't told her about this song at all, denying any and all involvement. Kim explained it a little bit more in this clip:

 

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What about bad blood era, or when she put 1989 on spotify the same day as whiteness

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Sick of Taylor ALWAYS playing the victim.

Hey, news flash: when you’re the biggest artist in the US, and using that platform to consistently bash everyone who has ever dated you, critiqued your music or called you out for your deceitfulness, then you’re NOT a victim. YOU are a liar and bully.  

And I can’t stand the Kardashians. But come on. This is Taylor’s whole MO; it has been for the majority of her career. Pathetic.