The biggest problem of Gaga and her team

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2 hours ago, adammonroe said:

 there's usually a lot of dissapointment 

Disappointment.

[Enigma 7,182]

Imo her biggest problem right now is that she relies on the past way too much. I am NOT saying she needed to release a new song or album on the first night, but it's been three main shows that we had that were basically biggest hits.

The Superbowl was amazing and she really knows how to give a show, but it wasn't fresh or controversial like what we are used to get from Gaga. It was the same aesthetic and choreo that she had in 2010. She could have used those songs that everyone loves and that made her succeed into a new aesthetic or concept.

The JWT was great and I don't have much negative to say about it, because there was a lot of new stuff in it. Joanne obviously, but also the Interludes that gave it a fresh vibe, and also this amazing stage. Flawless, but it still had this ''Greatest Hits'' feeling. 

Now Enigma could have been her shot at reinventing herself (and Vegas)... And yes, I will give her that, it's way more entertaining than Britney lipsynching with 5 dancers or Céline standing there... But it's yet another Greatest Hits.

Let's be real. She stopped giving us the level of originality and new, outstanding content that we were used to after ARTPOP. 

I love C2C and Joanne, but they were very lowkey, with little to no concept. Musically they are great, but artistically, they didn't bring much to the table. Joanne got 2 singles, 3 MVs, and one of the three was underwhelming. And again, this is not hate because she was going for something lowkey.

So yeah, considering ARTPOP (sadly) underperformed and messed up, we can consider her last ''relevant'' act was in 2012. I love being reminded of good memories just like everyone, but she's been putting the spotlight on stuff from 7+ years ago for 2 years.

She needs to bring something new to the table. New music would be best, but it could have been Enigma too. If she makes the storyline more impactful, serves better aesthetics and just a more immersive show overall, it'll be a good start.

It ties with what you said because she always teases her new stuff as groundbreaking, only to give us something based on her old hits.

Imo Coachella was her best move since a while, seeing she brought past stuff but gave it a new edge with stuff as simple as remixes, mashups, interludes and costumes. If she can rework Enigma to be more in that vein I think it'll be great.

[Kimblue 7,334]

Meanwhile Bruno Mars walks out to a plain stage with “Bruno Mars” lit up behind him.

[lgaga1fan 2,305]

She literally hired Kanye West's visual designer to help with the show, and it really shows. Stop saying she needs a new team when she brought something completely different to Vegas.

[Allan 3,880]

1 hour ago, Didymus said:

Well, I must say that's a very good point

I can't really disagree with that. It really is just a matter of taste, I'm not denying that. She doesn't need to do anything but I guess a lot of fans (incl. me) just fell in love with her early passion for mixing popular culture with avant-garde and for being this nerdy, art loving pop chick, for which there's simply no substitute among her peers

It is indeed perfectly possible (probable, even) that her motivations lie elsewhere now, but then it's also completely predictable that a lot of fans will be left unsatisfied because what they imagined to be her potential isn't being fulfilled, at least not fully. And before anyone goes "then leave and stan for someone else" on me: that's no solution lol. There is no one like Lady Gaga Hence the frustration.

I get the frustration you're talking about. A sad truth that us, stans, must deal with is that the artist WILL change, no matter if it's Lady Gaga or someone else, and they will NEVER be the same they used to be in the moment that defined who they are to the world. I know that this nerdy, art loving pop chick is there somehow, but the context of her life isn't the same, so there's no reason she should stay the same. At this point I'm not even talking specifically about Enigma, I'm just trying to remind some of you that we just can't fight the passing of time, she is who she is right now and she will never be able to be who she was in the past.

[Kimblue 7,334]

5 minutes ago, Allan said:

I get the frustration you're talking about. A sad truth that us, stans, must deal with is that the artist WILL change, no matter if it's Lady Gaga or someone else, and they will NEVER be the same they used to be in the moment that defined who they are to the world. I know that this nerdy, art loving pop chick is there somehow, but the context of her life isn't the same, so there's no reason she should stay the same. At this point I'm not even talking specifically about Enigma, I'm just trying to remind some of you that we just can't fight the passing of time, she is who she is right now and she will never be able to be who she was in the past.

“nostalgia is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off
painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth”

[2School4Cool 6,434]

10 minutes ago, Kimblue said:

Meanwhile Bruno Mars walks out to a plain stage with “Bruno Mars” lit up behind him.

I think they’re two very different kinds of artists. The stage setup you are referring to was only used for about 5 shows, it wasn’t a full year long residency. I have seen him twice in concert and he puts on the most high energy shows out there. I get what you’re saying though, by comparison Gaga’s show is far more elaborate and over the top.

[lgaga1fan 2,305]

Gaga: *Celebrates the 10 year anniversary of her album and eras with her Vegas show*

*Went into a depression because of an album era that went over horribly*

Monsters: WHY AREN'T YOU CELEBRATING ARTPOP 

 

[Pacify Him 9,073]

This is so tired 

[giskardsb 12,565]

3 hours ago, Kimblue said:

Meanwhile Bruno Mars walks out to a plain stage with “Bruno Mars” lit up behind him.

Gaga, for better or worse, came out in her "Ziggy Stardust" guise and many fans imprinted on that to an excessive level.   It's a double edge sword because it made her wildly popular ( and rich) but she has been essentially trying to escape the type-casting ever since.

I mean we have people calling a show, by their supposedly favorite artist, singing obviously favorite songs, singing live and in great voice, and performing hard, "boring" and "bad".  It literally makes me wonder what people are actually fans of; if Gaga herself, her music, and her voice, are not enough for you.    Are we fans of the performer, or the show?

I'm going to both Enigma and Jazz, because it's a great opportunity to see and hear my favorite singer perform her great songs in a small venue with great visibility and sound quality.   Who gives a **** if a wig doesn't meet some optimal wig standard, or some outfit isn't catwalk worthy?   I literally just don't understand pop fans sometimes.   It just reinforces my own built in stereotypes of pop fans being more interested in spectacle than in musicianship and talent.

[Kimblue 7,334]

4 minutes ago, giskardsb said:

Gaga, for better or worse, came out in her "Ziggy Stardust" guise and many fans imprinted on that to an excessive level.   It's a double edge sword because it made her wildly popular ( and rich) but she has been essentially trying to escape the type-casting ever since.

I mean we have people calling a show, by their supposedly favorite artist, singing obviously favorite songs, singing live and in great voice, and performing hard, "boring" and "bad".  It literally makes me wonder what people are actually fans of; if Gaga herself, her music, and her voice, are not enough for you.    Are we fans of the performer, or the show?

I'm going to both Enigma and Jazz, because it's a great opportunity to see and hear my favorite singer perform her great songs in a small venue with great visibility and sound quality.   Who gives a **** if a wig doesn't meet some optimal wig standard, or some outfit isn't catwalk worthy?   I literally just don't understand pop fans sometimes.   It just reinforces my own built in stereotypes of pop fans being more interested in spectacle than in musicianship and talent.

 Well said. Some of the criticisms are baffling.

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7 hours ago, Doncho said:

If you think Enigma is boring or bad, then please take a look back at the other Gaga tours. Its literally in the same style, wich most of us love. 

This happens when every tour starts... monsters are always expecting "more" from Gaga. The show is perfectly fine and critics love it already. Enigma is like a dream Gaga tour: Crazy costumes, wigs, lot of choreo, great lightning, visuals, Gaga flying, a gigantic robot, fan favorite songs, a story. It was made for the fans

This is exactly the problem tho. Where's the growth? The innovation she once embodied? It's the same show rehashed with the same songs and nothing exciting bc it's predictably the same as her past shows. 

[Ronlop 6,882]

7 hours ago, Didymus said:

Would she herself be wowed if she saw a show like that? I really don't think so.

Honestly, you have a point there because I doubt she'd enjoy that show if she was just in the audience. That says alot imo. But again, we can't really know.

But regarding the dancing, maybe she sees that as part of her art? Maybe it doesn't have to do with her fitting in a mole but it's just  the way she thinks she'd pull her best pop show.

 

 

[SLAG 7]

I think they Justin have too much on their plate sometimes. Enigma seems like it was quickly put together only after the ASIB premier. I admit I did expect more -certainly more than Gaga talking to a screen - I expected a set and something just a bit more theatric. It’s vegas for crying out loud. I love Gaga, but she’s been playing these songs for the past 10 years and I’m sure everyone loves them just the same as they did in the beginning but Joanne was enough of a greatest hits concert. I’m still happy  she added some of the fan favorite songs.

 

P.S. She REALLY needs a new choreographer. That DITD choreo was weak af.