PETA slams Lady Gaga

[garnite 8]

Gaga's tweet was a typical 'do your research before making assumptions' response to all the journalists who jumped at her for wearing 'real fur' instead of doing their job and actually researching. It was hilarious and witty.

if that's how you interpret it.

I went to a number of fur industry websites, and not once did I find the word "pile" mentioned on them in terms of referring to anything about natural furs. Which also doesn't prove anything, but does strengthen the use of the word "pile" to being limited to manmade materials, IMO.

let's hope. :)

[Yildiz 1]

searching "what is high-pile fur?" gives me 9 results, all of which are from yahoo answers (someone in this thread probably). 3 hours ago there were zero results.

if you google it without quotes you get a load of websites selling chinese fake high pile fur made of synthetic fibers. this does not mean high pile fur means fake fur.

a textile product that simulates natural fur. Because of its high heat-insulating qualities and its relatively low cost when mass-produced, imitation fur is widely used in making clothing, headgear, trimming, lining, and padding material. The popular imitation furs are woven and knitted high-pile copies of expensive natural furs (mink, marten, raccoon, muskrat, monkey, and fox) and furs with a smooth nap (pony, calf, nerpa).

Imitation furs consist of a foundation and a cover of pile. They are woven, knitted, sewn, glued, or made by gluing on hairs in an electrostatic field. Woven imitation fur is made with three systems of threadsâ€â€pile, warp, and weft. Two foundation cloths are connected by the pile threads, which are then cut. In the knitted method, the pile is knitted in on special circular knitting machines. In the sewn and glued methods, the foundation and the pile are prepared separately, and the pile is then attached to the foundation by sewing or gluing. Imitation karakul is made by the gluing method. In making imitation fur by the electrostatic method, the fibers are charged in an electrostatic field, oriented, and distributed evenly over the fabric’s surface, which has been treated with glue. After drying, the fibers adhere to the surface, forming the pile.

Imitation furs can be made with any pile thickness. The pile thickness and distribution are more uniform in imitation fur than in natural fur. In external appearance, imitation fur almost completely reproduces the color, pattern, and arrangement of the hairs of the fur imitated.

The pile in imitation furs can be made from various monofilaments or from complex polyamide and polyester viscose and acetate fibers. High-pile furs are most often made from yarn of polyacrylonitrile fibers, which are especially suitable because of their woolliness, low density, high resilience, low thermal conductivity, and extremely low absorbency. Cotton yarn and synthetic threads (for strength) are used for the foundation.

Imitation furs come in various colors and patterns. The finishing of the product ensures the pile’s resistance to crushing and the fur’s fluffiness and water repellent properties. Patterned or embossed designs can be added by mechanical, thermal, or chemical treatment. Depending on the texture of the fur being imitated, the finishing may involve repeated combing, shearing (evening the pile), coloring, heat treating, glazing, or reproducing a color pattern on the pile. A coating of latexes, finishes, and porolon tanning are used to simulate leather lining and to attach the pile more securely to the foundation. About 60 million m of imitation fur were produced in the USSR in 1972.

V. A. PAVLOVA

Satisfied?

[KillerQueen 8]

Garnite has done very well in this thread, knowledge is always a plus and being aware and thought provoking

I think the fur has to be real, due to it's high fashion label, but I wouldn't know honestly.

Not to play Devil's advocate or anything. I only care to stick with my own morals about these things and I don't like PETA.

I do support natural and animal friendly products.

Edited August 14, 2012 by KillerQueen

[garnite 8]

a textile product that simulates natural fur. Because of its high heat-insulating qualities and its relatively low cost when mass-produced, imitation fur is widely used in making clothing, headgear, trimming, lining, and padding material. The popular imitation furs are woven and knitted high-pile copies of expensive natural furs (mink, marten, raccoon, muskrat, monkey, and fox) and furs with a smooth nap (pony, calf, nerpa).

Imitation furs consist of a foundation and a cover of pile. They are woven, knitted, sewn, glued, or made by gluing on hairs in an electrostatic field. Woven imitation fur is made with three systems of threadsâ€â€pile, warp, and weft. Two foundation cloths are connected by the pile threads, which are then cut. In the knitted method, the pile is knitted in on special circular knitting machines. In the sewn and glued methods, the foundation and the pile are prepared separately, and the pile is then attached to the foundation by sewing or gluing. Imitation karakul is made by the gluing method. In making imitation fur by the electrostatic method, the fibers are charged in an electrostatic field, oriented, and distributed evenly over the fabric’s surface, which has been treated with glue. After drying, the fibers adhere to the surface, forming the pile.

Imitation furs can be made with any pile thickness. The pile thickness and distribution are more uniform in imitation fur than in natural fur. In external appearance, imitation fur almost completely reproduces the color, pattern, and arrangement of the hairs of the fur imitated.

The pile in imitation furs can be made from various monofilaments or from complex polyamide and polyester viscose and acetate fibers. High-pile furs are most often made from yarn of polyacrylonitrile fibers, which are especially suitable because of their woolliness, low density, high resilience, low thermal conductivity, and extremely low absorbency. Cotton yarn and synthetic threads (for strength) are used for the foundation.

Imitation furs come in various colors and patterns. The finishing of the product ensures the pile’s resistance to crushing and the fur’s fluffiness and water repellent properties. Patterned or embossed designs can be added by mechanical, thermal, or chemical treatment. Depending on the texture of the fur being imitated, the finishing may involve repeated combing, shearing (evening the pile), coloring, heat treating, glazing, or reproducing a color pattern on the pile. A coating of latexes, finishes, and porolon tanning are used to simulate leather lining and to attach the pile more securely to the foundation. About 60 million m of imitation fur were produced in the USSR in 1972.

V. A. PAVLOVA

Satisfied?

this is the definition of imitation fur which sbmonster showed me earlier.

please read it closer. pile means "Soft fine hair, fur, or wool." high pile fur doesn't indicate a state of being fake, it indicates that the pile... is high.

hence

The pile in imitation furs

Garnite has done very well in this thread, knowledge is always a plus and being aware and thought provoking

thanks. :)

[Yildiz 1]

please read it closer. pile means "Soft fine hair, fur, or wool." high pile fur doesn't indicate a state of being fake, it indicates that the pile... is high.

From what I understand "piling" refers to the method in which the fake fur is layered to imitate real fur, so yes, with high-pile fur the piling would be high, obviously.

The whole wall of text I posted refers to fur imitation. The evidence is pretty strong to suggest that "piling" is a method of producing fake fur. If you want to ignore it then so be it.

[garnite 8]

From what I understand "piling" refers to the method in which the fake fur is layered to imitate real fur, so yes, with high-pile fur the piling would be high, obviously.

The whole wall of text I posted refers to fur imitation. The evidence is pretty strong to suggest that "piling" is a method of producing fake fur. If you want to ignore it then so be it.

i'm not ignoring anything, i'm just not going to jump to conclusions with regards to such a serious topic. the pile refers to the weave. just google carpet pile, it's the thickness of the "top" of the carpet. high pile fur, from what i can tell, is just a way of describing the treatment of the fur. i genuinely can see what you're saying and i'm absolutely willing to concede if/when needs be, but there's not enough to sway me that way as it stands. again, as it's such a serious topic, jumping to conclusions either way is premature.

whether or not the fur is fake doesn't nullify some of the debates and discussion in this thread though. those were outside the gaga situation.

Edited August 14, 2012 by garnite

[Yildiz 1]

i'm not ignoring anything, i'm just not going to jump to conclusions with regards to such a serious topic. the pile refers to the weave. just google carpet pile, it's the thickness of the "top" of the carpet. high pile fur, from what i can tell, is just a way of describing the treatment of the fur. i genuinely can see what you're saying and i'm absolutely willing to concede if/when needs be, but there's not enough to sway me that way as it stands.

Typing high-pile fur into google comes up with the words such as "fake", "faux" and "imitation" under every link. And this is just at a glance. I haven't yet seen anything that pairs "high-pile fur" and the words "real fur" together. So yes I suppose I am making an assumption here, but at the same time there is no evidence to the contrary. However all the evidence presented so far supports the suspicion that high-pile fur is fake.

And I appreciate that you are looking at everything from all angles and not jumping to conclusions, and I am in no way trying to attack or anything :)

[Alcina Dimitrescu 1,156]

:laughga:

[Nemo 4,291]

Oh my god, what would appease you? If she made a written or verbal statement declaring the fur fake and her stance against animal cruelty? Because I can tell you thats not going to happen.

Why do you say it's not going to happen? She has made such statements in the past.

I think the fur has to be real, due to it's high fashion label

I see this kind of statement frequently, but it makes no sense to me.

[Adz Art and Lov 0]

Cows are not treated like this before they die:

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[Griffin 6]

Just make sure that campaign comes out around the time of the new lead single. :nails:

[Redstreak 6,653]

I guess I will take a stab at the hypocrite gaga debate. While it is disappointing for someone to say something and then eventually do another, (against fur bit then possibly wears fur) am I the only one who finds it unrealistic to expect someone to state an opinion and then never change their stance at least once in their life. Not just with fur (I am against animal cruelty but ok with certain things if done humanely) but with anything?

[KillerQueen 8]

Well, I did say I honestly wouldn't know.

I would have to touch and feel the coat in person, but I can't imagine THAT high fashion label in particular branding a quality coat that someone such as Lady Gaga would wear and it being faux.

Most times those faux fur coats look and feel exactly as they are, tragic and tacky.

Maybe that's just my perception of these coats.

Either way, Gaga doesn't bother me wearing it.

Edited August 14, 2012 by KillerQueen

[AbeTheBabe 0]

Why do you say it's not going to happen? She has made such statements in the past.

Just doesn't seem like she feels the need to be apologetic.

uh, is there supposed to be something difficult about saying "the fur is real, sorry" "of course it's not real silly monsters!" ?

I'm just saying she's not doing that obviously lol just let it go or hold it against her throughout the rest of her career, what else can there be to say at this point.

Edited August 14, 2012 by AbeTheBabe

[RocMeOut 1]

Lol I do that all the time at best buy for Gaga and Rihanna !!