Russian ads targeted Wisconsin and Michigan

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Yeah exactly where all the stupid trump supporters are 

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Hillary should've targeted Wisconsin too. 

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Hillary never visited Wisconsin post- Primaries. 

 

I think that had a bigger effect.  

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19 minutes ago, ZacharyMark said:

Hillary should've targeted Wisconsin too. 

sorry she didn't predict where RUSSIAN F*CKING HACKERS were targeting, she toootally should have predicted that! I'm sure you did! 

and while she's at it she should have predicted the future and murdered James Comey 

the fact that young people and leftists criticize Hillary for not beating luck like this blows my mind. you're saying you wanted her to predict the future. 

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1 minute ago, MJHolland said:

sorry she didn't predict where RUSSIAN F*CKING HACKERS were targeting, she toootally should have predicted that! I'm sure you did! 

and while she's at it she should have predicted the future and murdered James Comey 

the fact that young people and leftists criticize Hillary for not beating luck like this blows my mind. you're saying you wanted her to predict the future. 

She got out played by the Trump campaign by not campaigning with enough ads nor did she even come to my State in the months leading up to the election. It's a swing State for a reason.

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4 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

sorry she didn't predict where RUSSIAN F*CKING HACKERS were targeting, she toootally should have predicted that! I'm sure you did! 

and while she's at it she should have predicted the future and murdered James Comey 

the fact that young people and leftists criticize Hillary for not beating luck like this blows my mind. you're saying you wanted her to predict the future. 

200,000 less people voted for the Democratic nominee in 2016 vs Republicans only gaining 2,000 votes compared to 2012. People didn't vote. Russian ads can fool the gullible, but that wasn't the biggest factor. Luckily Hillary only lost by 33,000 votes. And there are more reasons to believe voter ID laws are the reason for that, not Russia. 

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1 minute ago, ZacharyMark said:

She got out played by the Trump campaign by not campaigning with enough ads nor did she even come to my State in the months leading up to the election. It's a swing State for a reason.

Hillary got outplayed?! By a campaign that wasn't even putting together a coherent or complete strategy?

By the end Trump was out of money, a dozen points behind by nearly ALL polling, and the RNC stopped funding the race with money or staff by the end of summer 2016 because even THEY thought he was going to lose! I know first hand, I was there and I saw it buddy.

To say Hillary got outplayed is just as laughable as it is sad to think that's how you view it. It couldn't be farther from the truth. Trump's campaign won because it got lucky in the very end. 

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1 minute ago, ZacharyMark said:

200,000 less people voted for the Democratic nominee in 2016 vs Republicans only gaining 2,000 votes compared to 2012. People didn't vote. Russian ads can fool the gullible, but that wasn't the biggest factor. Luckily Hillary only lost by 33,000 votes. And there are more reasons to believe voter ID laws are the reason for that, not Russia. 

I f*cking LOVE how you say we on the Hillary camp blew the election, and then proceed to list all these things that were out of her control! Like, buddy.... 

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12 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Hillary got outplayed?! By a campaign that wasn't even putting together a coherent or complete strategy?

By the end Trump was out of money, a dozen points behind by nearly ALL polling, and the RNC stopped funding the race with money or staff by the end of summer 2016 because even THEY thought he was going to lose! I know first hand, I was there and I saw it buddy.

To say Hillary got outplayed is just as laughable as it is sad to think that's how you view it. It couldn't be farther from the truth. Trump's campaign won because it got lucky in the very end. 

 

10 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

I f*cking LOVE how you say we on the Hillary camp blew the election, and then proceed to list all these things that were out of her control! Like, buddy.... 

She got outplayed. She lost. She lost the numbers. The Republicans had nothing to lose. There's reason to get upset about that. Better luck next time for 2020. And that's coming from someone who did vote for her and campaigned.

She lost 200,000 voters. Dems didn't come back to vote. Republicans remained loyal. She didn't even come to the State to remind people to vote. The margin of voters 30 and under shrunk to single digits even though they still voted for Hillary. Milwaukee dropped 27,000 votes compared to 2012. Clearly, the message was not heard with Wisconsintes. Democrats must learn from their mistakes. Luckily I predict Dems to take back WI in 2020. 

Also, 3rd party voters also rose from under 50,000 in 2012 to nearly 200,000 in 2016.

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8 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Hillary got outplayed?! By a campaign that wasn't even putting together a coherent or complete strategy?

By the end Trump was out of money, a dozen points behind by nearly ALL polling, and the RNC stopped funding the race with money or staff by the end of summer 2016 because even THEY thought he was going to lose! I know first hand, I was there and I saw it buddy.

To say Hillary got outplayed is just as laughable as it is sad to think that's how you view it. It couldn't be farther from the truth. Trump's campaign won because it got lucky in the very end. 

What was Hillary's strategy? It was: "I'm not Trump." That was it. She literally only talked about him. Trump's rallies did speak about Hillary, but it was more invective like a sports team, intermittent between speeches on immigration, elites, trade, and business, whether or not you like him. Hillary only spoke about Trump, and her vanilla vice presidential candidate spent his entire single debate insulting Trump. I was a Democrat still at this point, and I was turned off by how all they talked about was how the opposition sucked. And they weren't good arguments. That was the f*cking problem. They just weren't good arguments. I studied business, and most of the points they attacked Trump on were entry-level business concepts, and they were spinning the concepts so inanely that it felt insulting to the viewer. It felt as though they were treating their electorate like they were idiots. Hillary had no other strategy.

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6 minutes ago, ZacharyMark said:

 

She got outplayed. She lost. She lost the numbers. The Republicans had nothing to lose. There's reason to get upset about that. Better luck next time for 2020. And that's coming from someone who did vote for her and campaigned.

She lost 200,000 voters. Dems didn't come back to vote. Republicans remained loyal. She didn't even come to the State to remind people to vote. The margin of voters 30 and under shrunk to single digits even though they still voted for Hillary. Milwaukee dropped 27,000 votes compared to 2012. Clearly, the message was not heard with Wisconsintes. Democrats must learn from their mistakes. Luckily I predict Dems to take back WI in 2020. 

Also, 3rd party voters also rose from under 50,000 in 2012 to nearly 200,000 in 2016.

Oh my god 

Do you not see how all the factors you've listed and others were OUTSIDE of her control.... 

No, the Obama coalition didn't come out for Hillary, especially not black voters. But that's not because of the campaign we ran, it's because Hillary Clinton is Hillary Clinton - with all her perceived history and white womanhood attached. 

60 thousands votes spread over 3 states it what she lost by. She campaigned very smart and very effectively.

She was not outplayed in anyway.

In a soccer match, if the wind blows the ball through the goal, you weren't "outplayed" by your opponent. You're just the victim of bad luck.

Hillary Clinton was the victim of bad "luck" - if you can call deliberate hackings, propaganda/fake news, and Russian colluding to be "luck" 

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Just now, MJHolland said:

Oh my god 

Do you not see how all the factors you've listed and others were OUTSIDE of her control.... 

No, the Obama coalition didn't come out for Hillary, especially not black voters. But that's not because of the campaign we ran, it's because Hillary Clinton is Hillary Clinton - with all her perceived history and white womanhood attached. 

60 thousands votes spread over 3 states it what she lost by. She campaigned very smart and very effectively.

She was not outplayed in anyway.

In a soccer match, if the wind blows the ball through the goal, you weren't "outplayed" by your opponent. You're just the victim of bad luck.

Hillary Clinton was the victim of bad "luck" - if you can call deliberate hackings, propaganda/fake news, and Russian colluding to be "luck" 

I do not think that. Hillary didn't care enough for Wisconsinites to vote for her. There wasn't a sense of pride when voting for her either. It was her campaigns job to get her to Wisconsin. But she didn't come. She didn't talk to the small town businesses that would've voted for her. She lost voters. We didn't even vote for her in the beginning. Again, there's reason why this only happened on her side, and not Trump. Better luck next time.

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2 minutes ago, President Trump said:

What was Hillary's strategy? It was: "I'm not Trump." That was it. She literally only talked about him. Trump's rallies did speak about Hillary, but it was more invective like a sports team, intermittent between speeches on immigration, elites, trade, and business, whether or not you like him. Hillary only spoke about Trump, and her vanilla vice presidential candidate spent his entire single debate insulting Trump. I was a Democrat still at this point, and I was turned off by how all they talked about was how the opposition sucked. And they weren't good arguments. That was the f*cking problem. They just weren't good arguments. I studied business, and most of the points they attacked Trump on were entry-level business concepts, and they were spinning the concepts so inanely that it felt insulting to the viewer. It felt as though they were treating their electorate like they were idiots. Hillary had no other strategy.

Trust me when I say that I've listened to my fair share of Hillary speeches on the campaign, especially rallies. The idea that all she talked about was Trump is a myth. That just simply isn't true.

Hillary would spend 25 minutes out of a 30 minute speech talking about issues. Real issues that she had real plans for, the she detailed to the point of boring people. She was a candidate about the issues. When she would spend those last 5 minutes addressing whatever crude, immature, or personal attack Donald Trump would lob at people and herself, that is all the media every talked about. But she HAD to respond the these attacks. If she didn't she'd be dragged through hell even harder. 

You simply cannot tell me that Donald Trump ran a more issues-based campaigned than Hillary. You just can't. That's simply just not true. Donald Trump didn't have a single f*cking plan - not one on healthcare, guns, taxes, bathrooms, or even a plan to fund his keystone "issue" the wall.