BloodyM 1,256 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 I was listening to Joanne this morning on my way to work after months of not listening to it and I realized what a great album it is! The music is of quality. Opposite to many, Hey Girl is one of my fav tracks on the album, and what about Joanne, Diamond Heart and Angel Down? So many good tracks! The album will become a classic by time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanum 5,155 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 So 1. You think Gaga wrote songs in C2C that are not deep even though they have been critically acclaimed worldwide as jazz classics. 2. You think ARTPOP is experimental. 3. You think that self empowering songs were invented by Gaga. 4. You think lyrically Joanne is boring and repetitive but you fixate yourself over "mwah mwah mwah mwah". I Wantth your Love...I Wantth your Love. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WORLDofGAGA 2,274 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Gaga is always evolving, just because she has made more of a less electronic dance album doesn't mean she won't do again, this is Gaga, ever evolving. She said she made Joanne for her family, to heal. There are many great lyrics on Joanne, is it my favourite album of hers, maybe not but I still like it and enjoy the music, it's just another dimension to what gaga can create. You can't expect to like everything she does, her being so diverse. I don't understand why people think she's lost her creativity when she does a toned down album, she could go all out next time. @W0RLDofGAGA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skabi 3,096 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 13 hours ago, giskardsb said: This fanbase... "Gaga is creative as long as she does what I want. Otherwise she's not." exactly what i was about to comment the only time gaga seems more ""inspired"" according to stans is when she wears black latex and fishnets. as long as an album doesn't have a dark concept she is suddenly less creative and her writting is less complex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 1. Since when is ARTPOP experimental music? 2. Since when The Cure has epic lyrics? 3. Joanne >>> Trendy Pop music of this decade. 4. You need to educate yourself in music in general. Some Pop artists are great but music has much more to offer you than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 21 hours ago, Doot said: We are not just art for Michelangelo To carve. He can't rewrite the agro of my furied heart. I'll wait on mountain tops in Paris cold J'veux pas mourir toute seule [French for: "I don't want to die alone"] Tryin' to get control Pressure's takin' its toll Stuck in the middle zone I just want you alone I'm sorry, what? I'm sorry but the PI lyrics are perfect for the dance song and they do their job well, they make you explode with emotion. Bloody Mary is a completely different situation. Comparing a pure dance-full of adrenaline song with a spooky rave ballad is an irrelevant comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyVersace 8,987 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, VforVendetta said: 1. Since when is ARTPOP experimental music? 5 hours ago, Arcanum said: 2. You think ARTPOP is experimental. As far as Gaga goes, ARTPOP was experimental. Compared to her older stuff, it was way more over-the-top electro dance, and some of the themes were like a pop acid trip. Plus the grand story about the auras and her chaos blah blah blah was so extra and absurd unlike anything she'd attempted before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 17 minutes ago, JohnnyVersace said: As far as Gaga goes, ARTPOP was experimental. Compared to her older stuff, it was way more over-the-top electro dance, and some of the themes were like a pop acid trip. Plus the grand story about the auras and her chaos blah blah blah was so extra and absurd unlike anything she'd attempted before. I love the album a lot but it's her least experimental album to date (excluding The Cure and C2C of course). The album was released when electro dance was already at it's height. Yes it was extravagant and unique (like most of Gaga's music) but it was the sound of that year. Just because the theme was wide and the Era ended up being messy it doesn't mean that it was experimental or anything. Unique =/= Experimental TF/TFM and Joanne were fresh popular sounds for the time they were relesed. BTW is still like nothing out there in 00's and 10's. ARTPOP is indeed an extravagant and interesting Gaga album but it's definitely the 2012-2014 sound (the same way that The Cure is a 2017 commercial sound with the difference that TC doesn't even have the Gaga flair that much while ARTPOP was still a signature Gaga pop album.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddMeOnMYSPACE 2,004 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Honestly I prefer this era to her previous ones BTW/AP. Although both btw/ap were great albums (ill admit I hated AP in the beginning) her creativity were just over the top and cringeworthy. Of course some iconic moments came out of those eras but I feel like she was just screaming to be different. With Joanne, Gaga manage to change her sound and artistic vision successfully. I feel like the cheek 2 cheek era was a good thing for gaga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doot 2 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 32 minutes ago, VforVendetta said: I'm sorry but the PR lyrics are perfect for the dance song and they do their job well, they make you explode with emotion. Bloody Mary is a completely different situation. Comparing a pure dance-full of adrenaline song with a spooky rave ballad is an irrelevant comparison. It might make YOU explode with emotion, but there is a very big reason why the song didn't do well and had signifigant fan and general public distaste. I know the word "irrelevant" is a big word people like to toss around on here, but there are better ways to express a differing opinion. Hell, Perfect Illusion wasn't even really written by her. She did minor rewrites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 12 minutes ago, Doot said: It might make YOU explode with emotion, but there is a very big reason why the song didn't do well and had signifigant fan and general public distaste. I know the word "irrelevant" is a big word people like to toss around on here, but there are better ways to express a differing opinion. Hell, Perfect Illusion wasn't even really written by her. She did minor rewrites. Using the chart success as a measure of quality is as irrelevant as your previous comparison. And idk why you got offended because I said to you that comparing apples with oranges is irrelevant because it really is. And Gaga co-wrote PI and there is nothing wrong with it. Honestly I couldn't care less even if Kim Jong Un wrote it, PI is one of Gaga's best dance songs (if not the best one). And Joanne has some of Gaga's best lyrics you just compare whatever fits your point. Million Reasons, Angel Down, Sinner's Prayer, Joanne, Come To Mama, Grigio Girls, Diamond Heart etc, all have strong straightforward lyrics that are as good or even better than most of Gaga's previous works. And I also am a massive BTW fan but just because a song doesn't make a reference to Michelangelo it doesn't mean that it has cheap lyrics (like the ridiculous PI example you gave before). Scheisse and HML or EC don't have more complex lyrics that PI for the same reasons as PI. Pokerface and Bad Romance the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doot 2 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, VforVendetta said: Using the chart success as a measure of quality is as irrelevant as your previous comparison. And idk why you got offended because I said to you that comparing apples with oranges is irrelevant because it really is. And Gaga co-wrote PI and there is nothing wrong with it. Honestly I couldn't care less even if Kim Jong Un wrote it, PI is one of Gaga's best dance songs (if not the best one). And Joanne has some of Gaga's best lyrics you just compare whatever fits your point. Million Reasons, Angel Down, Sinner's Prayer, Joanne, Come To Mama, Grigio Girls, Diamond Heart etc, all have strong straightforward lyrics that are as good or even better than most of Gaga's previous works. And I also am a massive BTW fan but just because a song doesn't make a reference to Michelangelo it doesn't mean that it has cheap lyrics (like the ridiculous PI example you gave before). Scheisse and HML or EC don't have more complex lyrics that PI for the same reasons as PI. Pokerface and Bad Romance the same. Lol, I'm not offended. I couldn't possibly get offended by something someone said on a Lady Gaga online message board, like are you serious rn? You are allowed to think whatever you want. Just like I am. Just like anyone in the world can. I find Joanne to be her least compelling and thought provoking album visually, musically and lyrically. Many others agree. And many others disagree. That's called "life". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVendetta 2,024 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Doot said: Lol, I'm not offended. I couldn't possibly get offended by something someone said on a Lady Gaga online message board, like are you serious rn? You are allowed to think whatever you want. Just like I am. Just like anyone in the world can. I find Joanne to be her least compelling and thought provoking album both visually, musically and lyrically. Many others agree. And many others disagree. That's called "life". I never tried to shape your opinion. I just contradicted your previous statement. Actually I respect your opinion, it's just that I disagree and I have some points to prove it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyVersace 8,987 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 24 minutes ago, VforVendetta said: I love the album a lot but it's her least experimental album to date (excluding The Cure and C2C of course). The album was released when electro dance was already at it's height. Yes it was extravagant and unique (like most of Gaga's music) but it was the sound of that year. Just because the theme was wide and the Era ended up being messy it doesn't mean that it was experimental or anything. Unique =/= Experimental TF/TFM and Joanne were fresh popular sounds for the time they were relesed. BTW is still like nothing out there in 00's and 10's. ARTPOP is indeed an extravagant and interesting Gaga album but it's definitely the 2012-2014 sound (the same way that The Cure is a 2017 commercial sound with the difference that TC doesn't even have the Gaga flair that much while ARTPOP was still a signature Gaga pop album.) Ok I hear that. The music itself is straight-forward, I would agree. My argument I guess is that the overall theme, combining art and pop into the mainstream, and the way she attempted to execute it, is experimental. And her commitment to it and attempting to live her life following suit was experimental. She was dressing up as famous art pieces, and really trying to sell the message through her aesthetic and appearances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaviator 132 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 She's not actually having a creative crisis, I guess she just felt like writing Joanne in that way. Even though it's simple it doesn't mean it's bad, I think it's great and most of the lyrics are quite good. She's writing new music anyway and I guess it's going to be really good cause she said she had a lot of ideas for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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