Kylie Jenner On Path To Become A Billion Dollar Brand by 25

[Ziggy 11,905]

On 8/10/2017 at 0:04 PM, kyanewest said:

People are pissed at the Kardashians because their level of fame is too high for what they contribute to the entertainment industry, which isn't art related, but more reality tv/trash/fake television, selling things. Most of what they do is based around money, business. It doesn't serve anyone. People don't get pissed at Chris Brown for being a talented singer and dancer but because of his behavior for example, there's a difference. You see the Kardashians everyday on tv, magazines, internet, and it tires people out, and I get it. 

Being business savvy isn't a talent but a skill that everyone in this earth can achieve. Could someone achieve Michael Jackson's talent in creating a song? A choreography? Could someone re-create MichelAngelo's paintings? No, so let's not go crazy and say the Kardashians are talented just because they know how to manage money, and multiply their bank account, anyone could do that if they put their focus on it. 

It actually is a talent like anything else and to so condescendingly disregard someone's skill set just because you may not personally value it is incredibly rude of you. You talk about different art disciplines as if there's some sort of divinity about them, but the fact of the matter is that those arts aren't worth a thing to modern society without business people behind them to package and sell them to consumers.

You think we'd have a hair of a clue who Michael Jackson was if not for his father, Joe? What about Miley Cyrus? Even Gaga as it was her and Troy together that made people see her. The importance of business is not in what in it inherently does for society, but in being the capitalist underbelly which prescribes value to everything in our society thus giving everything meaning.

Look, I don't like business, in fact, I deplore it. I also am no big fan of the Kardashian/Jenner business empire, but you shouldn't make such broadstroke and frankly unjust throws at people with business smarts just because you for whatever reason cannot see the fact that the entire global system is a capitalist system and thus "business". Business savvyness is incredibly important and discounting its value and the people who have it is no better than people doing the same to those high and mighty, lofty "Artists".

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4 hours ago, Ziggy said:

It actually is a talent like anything else and to so condescendingly disregard someone's skill set just because you may not personally value it is incredibly rude of you. You talk about different art disciplines as if there's some sort of divinity about them, but the fact of the matter is that those arts aren't worth a thing to modern society without business people behind them to package and sell them to consumers.

You think we'd have a hair of a clue who Michael Jackson was if not for his father, Joe? What about Miley Cyrus? Even Gaga as it was her and Troy together that made people see her. The importance of business is not in what in it inherently does for society, but in being the capitalist underbelly which prescribes value to everything in our society thus giving everything meaning.

Look, I don't like business, in fact, I deplore it. I also am no big fan of the Kardashian/Jenner business empire, but you shouldn't make such broadstroke and frankly unjust throws at people with business smarts just because you for whatever reason cannot see the fact that the entire global system is a capitalist system and thus "business". Business savvyness is incredibly important and discounting its value and the people who have it is no better than people doing the same to those high and mighty, lofty "Artists".

I've never said that this skill has no value, it does in this world that's built around money. But does money have value to me? The answer is no, if you think otherwise then that's your world view. But I don't think money is a valuable thing, I don't think having money, knowing how to manage money is globally a very valuable thing, sure to survive in this world but money is man-made whereas creativity is something you can't even comprehend but it's part of this world altogether. The whole galaxy was created with imagination. If you think money and creativity/imagination is on the same level of value in life I feel sorry for you but I respect your different view. Saying Joe Jackson is as talented as Michael is crazy to me, he beat him up, he taught him discipline in the most toxic ways to become a superstar. Did art make Michael happy? Absolutely, did fame and money made him happy, no. So is business as valuable as art? To me no. A homeless person could be just as happier as Michael was in his peak of success, playing guitar and songs that a few people enjoy. I'm also not blind to capitalism, I think you just don't understand where I came from cause you truly think capitalism is part of this world, to me I don't see it that way. To me I see just a big floating ball with nature in it and different creatures, the rest is bullshit, ultimately money is a big illusion we've created. Dedicating your whole life around making money is not talent, it's a skill. Trump has never been a talented man in my eyes, maybe to you he's as talented as Einstein