Bebe 17,101 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 43 minutes ago, theahsfan said: Men can be sexually assaulted too, and in fact there was a woman who agreed with me earlier in the thread. But at the end of the day there's no point in arguing about it, I just shared my opinion and that's not me saying it's not an awful thing to go through. But it's up to Taylor and I respect her decision. I know men can be sexually assaulted I've never said anything otherwise or even tried to imply it... I still think you are undermining sexual assault and making it seem like it's not a big deal when you criticise a woman for taking the man who sexually assaulted her to court... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theahsfan 13,822 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bebe said: I know men can be sexually assaulted I've never said anything otherwise or even tried to imply it... I still think you are undermining sexual assault and making it seem like it's not a big deal when you criticise a woman for taking the man who sexually assaulted her to court... You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm saying that I think that yes it's awful that she was groped but I personally think taking the guy to court and making a big scene of it is a bit too far, even for Taylor. Especially if he just made a **** move and wanted to seduce her (not saying that this is the right way to seduce anyone) without considering anything and it was all in the heat of the moment but then he understood that she didn't like it and then stopped. It wouldn't be fair on the guy if he just misunderstood or thought Taylor was "leading him on" and it was just a one off mistake on his part. I don't know if this is the case though. However, if it wasn't a one off mistake or he's done this more than once then I'd consider it to be more serious than just a one off thing, which in itself is totally in the wrong but not worth a court case in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,101 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 22 minutes ago, theahsfan said: You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm saying that I think that yes it's awful that she was groped but I personally think taking the guy to court and making a big scene of it is a bit too far, even for Taylor. Especially if he just made a **** move and wanted to seduce her (not saying that this is the right way to seduce anyone) without considering anything and it was all in the heat of the moment but then he understood that she didn't like it and then stopped. It wouldn't be fair on the guy if he just misunderstood or thought Taylor was "leading him on" and it was just a one off mistake on his part. I don't know if this is the case though. However, if it wasn't a one off mistake or he's done this more than once then I'd consider it to be more serious than just a one off thing, which in itself is totally in the wrong but not worth a court case in my opinion. I understand perfectly what you are saying Yeah it's bad! I think it's totally unacceptable! But it's a bit OTT to take him to court when he only sexually assaulted her once! It was just in the heat of the moment and he wasn't thinking straight! She is taking him to court for one mistake! I think that's an insane position that undermines the seriousness of sexual assault, I think it makes it seem like it's not that big of a deal and I think you are blatantly contributing to rape culture when you brush off a sexual assault as a simple "mistake on his part". You can talk all you want about how you think it's wrong and think it's unacceptable, but when you start talking about how it's too much for Taylor to take the man who sexually assaulted her to court you are essentially telling women that they should just deal with it. If a man sexually assaults you then that sucks and he is out of line - but you can't take him to court for one mistake, the poor guy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theahsfan 13,822 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bebe said: You can talk all you want about how you think it's wrong and think it's unacceptable, but when you start talking about how it's too much for Taylor to take the man who sexually assaulted her to court you are essentially telling women that they should just deal with it. If a man sexually assaults you then that sucks and he is out of line - but you can't take him to court for one mistake, the poor guy! a) It's not just a problem that affects women. and I've also said that I respect her decision b) I meant that if he had the intention of harming her and he knew she didn't want it, then hell yeah take him to court, but if he didn't understand and thought Taylor wanted it, say if they were getting cosy or something and he then pledged to never do it again then I don't think court is neccesary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,101 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Just now, theahsfan said: a) It's not just a problem that affects women. and I've also said that I respect her decision b) I meant that if he had the intention of harming her and he knew she didn't want it, then hell yeah take him to court, but if he didn't understand and thought Taylor wanted it, say if they were getting cosy or something and he then pledged to never do it again then I don't think court is neccesary. a) I know it's not just a problem that affects women, we have gone through this... I've never said anything contrary to that. I'm a male, I'm a survivor of sexual assault... b) If you had read the article you'd know the situation, this wasn't Taylor and him having some makeout session and he put his hand somewhere and she slapped it away... If you don't see how you are lowkey excusing his behaviour and undermining the seriousness of sexual assault then there is nothing else I can say Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theahsfan 13,822 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Just now, Bebe said: a) I know it's not just a problem that affects women, we have gone through this... I've never said anything contrary to that. I'm a male, I'm a survivor of sexual assault... b) If you had read the article you'd know the situation, this wasn't Taylor and him having some makeout session and he put his hand somewhere and she slapped it away... If you don't see how you are lowkey excusing his behaviour and undermining the seriousness of sexual assault then there is nothing else I can say a) Okay. I'm sorry you went through that. b) I've explained before that I didn't really know what happened so now I know he was a deviant then I side more with Taylor taking him to court. I'm not at all excusing his behaviour, I just don't think a full on court trial is necessary. They should bring in fines for this kind of thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebe 17,101 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Just now, theahsfan said: a) Okay. I'm sorry you went through that. b) I've explained before that I didn't really know what happened so now I know he was a deviant then I side more with Taylor taking him to court. I'm not at all excusing his behaviour, I just don't think a full on court trial is necessary. They should bring in fines for this kind of thing. We're running in circles now - I get your position, I think the idea of fining people for sexual assault is crazy, I still think you are undermining the seriousness of sexual assault - you're no doubt going to disagree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theahsfan 13,822 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bebe said: We're running in circles now - I get your position, I think the idea of fining people for sexual assault is crazy, I still think you are undermining the seriousness of sexual assault - you're no doubt going to disagree I just think that trials in court should be reserved for those who were seriously assaulted, not just touched once. Fines would deter people from that sort of shitty behaviour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talent 9,333 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Look at the men on this thread telling women to shut up just because "it wasn't that serious". Trash. Rape culture is alive and well. 🔵 - Banned because I quoted a stupid meme. Literally. So, yeah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drin Lon 7,875 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 22 hours ago, uo111 said: I actually can't believe no one has corrected you yet. It's even in the headline He is suing her, so she is counter suing him. He is suing her because he lost his job after she accused him of groping her ass. Now she is counter suing him, and he spilt coffee of his laptop and lost the evidence "on accident." You are right, for better or worse, courts likely would've thrown out this case if she tried to sue him. Everyone in this thread should try reading the articles first. Oh then Taylor has all the right to f*ck him up. Cum thru queen (of sn*k*s) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weed 74,154 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 1 hour ago, theahsfan said: You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm saying that I think that yes it's awful that she was groped but I personally think taking the guy to court and making a big scene of it is a bit too far, even for Taylor. Especially if he just made a **** move and wanted to seduce her (not saying that this is the right way to seduce anyone) without considering anything and it was all in the heat of the moment but then he understood that she didn't like it and then stopped. It wouldn't be fair on the guy if he just misunderstood or thought Taylor was "leading him on" and it was just a one off mistake on his part. I don't know if this is the case though. However, if it wasn't a one off mistake or he's done this more than once then I'd consider it to be more serious than just a one off thing, which in itself is totally in the wrong but not worth a court case in my opinion. how is Taylor taking it a bit too far when... he sued her first? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordEnigma 11,313 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 2 hours ago, theahsfan said: You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm saying that I think that yes it's awful that she was groped but I personally think taking the guy to court and making a big scene of it is a bit too far, even for Taylor. Especially if he just made a **** move and wanted to seduce her (not saying that this is the right way to seduce anyone) without considering anything and it was all in the heat of the moment but then he understood that she didn't like it and then stopped. It wouldn't be fair on the guy if he just misunderstood or thought Taylor was "leading him on" and it was just a one off mistake on his part. I don't know if this is the case though. However, if it wasn't a one off mistake or he's done this more than once then I'd consider it to be more serious than just a one off thing, which in itself is totally in the wrong but not worth a court case in my opinion. But she is COUNTER-suing do you know what that means? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theahsfan 13,822 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alexander Levi said: But she is COUNTER-suing do you know what that means? I didn't know that so I stand corrected Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KleinGa 18,177 Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share Posted July 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Talent said: Look at the men on this thread telling women to shut up just because "it wasn't that serious". Trash. Rape culture is alive and well. yes yes yes!!! well said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 47 minutes ago, theahsfan said: I didn't know that so I stand corrected You should actually read the article in the OP and read the comments in this thread explaining what the article said. It would have taken less time to get the correct information in the first place than to argue all these "what ifs" situations for pages now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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