Miley distances herself from Hip-Hop

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1 hour ago, ryhanna said:

Yeah, I'm not trying to say these kinds of things don't exist in Hip Hop. They're a prominent theme in a lot of popular music and Urban culture, but there are also many positives represented in the genre. I just don't think it's cool of Miley to generalise a genre after she used it to give her career a second wind and break free of her childhood image and transition into a more adult phase in her career. Especially after utilising the themes herself that she seems to detest so much about Hip Hop.

Maybe she's matured and developed new musical tastes and wants to make music that more represents who she is today, similar to Gaga experimenting with new genres in Joanne. And that's cool, I'm totally down for Miley to explore her musical influences and try new things. But Gaga didn't throw her old music under the bus, or talk **** about the genres that helped her become who she is. 

I'm not here to SJW all over the place, I just think it's a **** move to use a certain genre to your advantage because it's cool (including using the negative parts you'll later criticise) and then turn around and trash it. It devalues her work and the genre itself. Makes her seem fake and fickle. 

I get what you're saying and even agree -- but since she went from urban/rap to psychedelic rock to now country again, I see it as "she just wants to try different things each album". And YEARS have passed since Bangerz, so I also think she just matured and sees things differently now. Back then, she probably loved the culture and objectification; now she's apparently clean, sober, and living organic. 

And yes, when ARTPOP came out Gaga completely bashed her old "fake" pop music to try and sell us on the new ARTPOP sound. How is it nonsensical to use her as an example? She is a major pop star who experiments in other genres...just like Miley is, whaddayaknow, a major pop star who experiments in other genres...

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36 minutes ago, Whispering said:

 

I do believe many people are trying to have a conversation, but you are trying to defend Miley so much you aren't listening to anyone...and even dragging Gaga into this discussion in nonsensical comparisons.

Most the people who are discussing the comment are stating that they enjoy Miley's music or are looking forward to what she is going to put out in a couple of weeks. I love Miley, but raised an eyebrow a few times when reading that interview. 

I'm not defending Miley at all really -- I just don't like how offended people get over her using an urban sound for an album. I don't like the PC-ness of "she shouldn't have 'used' their culture." That's all I've been trying to say, because unless you're being racist in your usage of another culture's art, I don't believe any culture should ever exclusively "own" a sound or kind of art. 

And I used Gaga, Katy, and Lana as examples? 

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43 minutes ago, Bebe said:

I'd prefer not to be referred to as "the other guy"  But here's the thing, I'm not suggesting that the messages in hip-hop are always perfect - the iSpy song does contain some misogynistic lines but you look at the vast majority of those songs I posted and they are not about 'bitches', gangs and fast cars..

Rap is so diverse and I just don't see the problems associated with rap as unique to that genre.

Rock music has super groups like Guns and Roses singing lyrics like “Turn around, bitch, I got a use for you/ Besides, you ain’t got nothing better to do/ And I’m bored.” 

Younger acts like Fall Out Boy singing "Let’s play this game called “when you catch fire, I wouldn’t piss to put you out"/ Stop burning bridges, drive off of them/ So I can forget about you / So bury me in memory/His smile’s your rope/So wrap it tight around your throat"

Country/Folk music has legends like Neil Young singing lyrics like “keep my house clean, fix my meals, and go away.”

Younger acts like RaeLynn singing "Somebody's gotta wear a pretty skirt / Somebody's gotta be the one to flirt / Somebody's gotta wanna hold his hand / So God made girls, God made girls" 

Pop music that has acts like Nick Jonas whose song "Jealous" is an ode to male control of women's bodies and relational abuse including lyrics like "I don't like the way he's looking at you," explaining his "right to be hellish," "obsessed" and "protective or possessive" because he feels "jealous."  And acts like Robin Thicke singing about "Blurred Lines"...


I'm not going to deny that there is misogyny in hip-hop - I'm just not going to pretend that this is all hip-hop is when there are countless progressive hip hop artists and I'm not going to pretend that it's a problem that only applies to hip-hop when there are countless of examples of misogyny in all facets of pop culture and in every genre.

I actually kinda dig Miley tbh and I'm excited for her new direction - but it's just not cool of her to appropriate hip-hop culture, wear it for an entire era and then throw it away and criticise and generalise hip-hop as if it was only empowering and progressive when she tried it out.

(Didn't look at your user name and had no idea what it was when typing )

The main issue is that so much of mainstream rap is now SO sexualized and objectifying and explicit that at juvi we literally were not allowed to play a single rap station. The kids could listen to anything BUT, because rap was the genre that constantly influenced them...in bad ways. Like I said earlier, there are many rappers making great music and being great influences -- Chance, Kendrick, J Cole, even Macklemore -- but doesn't it tell you something when the one genre we can't play for a group of young criminals is....rap? 

You guys have no idea how bad it is, really. Having worked with several hundred young convicted criminals, 99% of them being guys...they have ZERO respect for women, and so much of that lack comes from modern rap music. They quote the worst lyrics, want to treat women the way they see them treated in the music videos, want to live like they see rappers like Desiigner and Migos live. Most of them weren't bad at heart, most were good kids with bad parents; nearly all still had a serious misogyny problem. 

Yes, sexism can be found in all genres of music, but it is without a doubt the most prevalent in mainstream modern rap. All of your examples are very tame compared to what much of today's youth really listens to, trust me. 

I think that's what Miley was trying to say, but she said it as a general assumption when she shouldn't have. Doesn't mean Bangerz was a mistake, doesn't mean she shouldn't have "used" an urban sound. Is she a bit (or more) hypocrital for making songs/videos that fit right into what she hates now? YES, but she's still a young adult growing up. When she was 20 that culture seemed cool, but she's a few years older now and sees the dangers in it. She just needs to say it better next time, lol. 

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Don't get me wrong, I do like Miley but clearly it was all just a well planned marketing strategy. She went form Disney girl, to shocking bad girl with short hair and now she's back as Americas sweetheart who doesn't do hip hop, twerking, crop tops/hot pants or weed all to win the public again.  

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1 hour ago, brownie said:

I'm not defending Miley at all really -- I just don't like how offended people get over her using an urban sound for an album. I don't like the PC-ness of "she shouldn't have 'used' their culture." That's all I've been trying to say, because unless you're being racist in your usage of another culture's art, I don't believe any culture should ever exclusively "own" a sound or kind of art. 

And I used Gaga, Katy, and Lana as examples? 

It wasn't just an urban sound. She adopted the culture, rolled around in it, all to the tune of "this is who I am"...which is fine. The rather questionable comments in this interview come from her generalizing and disparaging an entire genre of music that was more than acceptable to her just a couple of years ago. It isn't like hip hop has changed dramatically over the last two or three years. 

Same with her comments on "sexualizing females". For a couple of years there, I saw Miley's nipples more than I saw my own. Lol We basically saw her naked, except for her spreading wide and showing us everything p*rn style. Now that Miley is wearing her Little House on the Prairie dresses doesn't make all of that disappear. Just like three weeks of abstaining from smoking pot doesn't mean you didn't promote the hell out of it for years! 

Some of her comments are pretty contradictory. That doesn't mean that I don't like her and don't care for her music. 

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31 minutes ago, brownie said:

(Didn't look at your user name and had no idea what it was when typing )

The main issue is that so much of mainstream rap is now SO sexualized and objectifying and explicit that at juvi we literally were not allowed to play a single rap station. The kids could listen to anything BUT, because rap was the genre that constantly influenced them...in bad ways. Like I said earlier, there are many rappers making great music and being great influences -- Chance, Kendrick, J Cole, even Macklemore -- but doesn't it tell you something when the one genre we can't play for a group of young criminals is....rap? 

You guys have no idea how bad it is, really. Having worked with several hundred young convicted criminals, 99% of them being guys...they have ZERO respect for women, and so much of that lack comes from modern rap music. They quote the worst lyrics, want to treat women the way they see them treated in the music videos, want to live like they see rappers like Desiigner and Migos live. 

Yes, sexism can be found in all genres of music, but it is without a doubt the most prevalent in mainstream modern rap. I think that it what Miley was trying to say, but she said it as a general assumption when she shouldn't have. Doesn't mean Bangerz was a mistake, doesn't mean she shouldn't have "used" an urban sound. Is she a bit (or more) hypocrital for making songs/videos that fit right into what she hates now? YES, but she's still a young adult growing up. When she was 20 that culture seemed cool, but she's a few years older now and sees the dangers in it. She just needs to say it better next time, lol. 

But honestly, so much pop music is insanely sexualised - I doubt these kids went to juvie because they listened to rap music and it influenced them so heavily, it would seem to me that these kids have other problems.

Like I said, I'm not going to deny there is misogyny in rap music, but it's everywhere in pop music too  If you look at the top 50 songs in America now we're presented with scores of young women who are literally begging for male attention—of any kind. We constantly have women represented as subservient and submissive whether it's Selena Gomez singing that all she wants is to look good for her man, Ariana Grande singing that she will take the pleasure with the pain or Meghan Trainor singing to her future husband that he needs to take her on dates, buy her flowers so she will be the perfect wife and buy the groceries - how he needs to open doors for her and buy her a ring. There is not a single song on the U.S. top 50 list by a female artist in which she is speaking directly to another female.

It's obviously far more overt with male pop artists too, from The Weeknd singing “Main b**** out your league too, ah / Side b**** out of your league too, ah” to Bruno Mars singing about "Bad bitches and ya ugly ass friends (Haha)" to Robin Thicke singing about blurred lines and how he knows women "want it".

I'm not going to say that it's as bad as a rap artist talking about rape and violence towards women - but that's certainly not the majority of rap songs, even if it's the majority of songs the kids in Juvie might listen too. 

I think that's pretty clear just in the current Billboard top ten rnb/hip hop songs - I'm not saying they are perfect, but at worst it's pretty comparable to the sort of messaging we see from pop singers.

It just still seems pretty shitty to generalise rap as "sex culture, gangs, money, cars" or as Miley put it ‘Lamborghini, got my Rolex, got a girl on my cock’ when that's just not representative of the genre. I wouldn't have had a huge problem with Miley, or anyone, saying there was a problem with misogyny in hip-hop but I think the way Miley went about it was very dismissive of the entire genre - a lot of which is very progressive and diverse in subject matter.

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6 hours ago, junolxf said:

I lover her, but that was so dumb. She used black culture as a prop and suddenly it's not cool anymore. Not a cute look, Miley. You can do better. 

Giiiirrrlll stop it! Not everything is about race. She just doesn't like the misogyny in hip-hop. And that part of black "culture" doesn't deserve any sort of defence anyways (I'm only talking about the part which is sexist and homophobic). And how is hip-hop not cool anymore?

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Just now, The Fame Joanne said:

Giiiirrrlll stop it! Not everything is about race. She just doesn't like the misogyny in hip-hop. And that part of black "culture" doesn't deserve any sort of defence anyways. And how is hip-hop not cool anymore?

I'm not having this discussion again. You can read the other posts. Thanks. 

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3 minutes ago, The Fame Joanne said:

Giiiirrrlll stop it! Not everything is about race. She just doesn't like the misogyny in hip-hop. And that part of black "culture" doesn't deserve any sort of defence anyways. And how is hip-hop not cool anymore?

White peoples doing hip hop is out of style. Black "culture" can be beautiful, you're just looking at a few problematic rap verses and completely losing the art form. Most things in America are about race, everything we have is because of racist imperialism. 

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If anything this made me realize that I've never heard the word "cock" used in a rap song before (not that I listen to a whole lot of rap in the first place though)

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Her Joanne era is coming 

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10 minutes ago, Dorothy Gale said:

White peoples doing hip hop is out of style. Black "culture" can be beautiful, you're just looking at a few problematic rap verses and completely losing the art form. Most things in America are about race, everything we have is because of racist imperialism. 

I already edited my post and said that it is only about that specific part. 

And America needs to leave that race bullshit behind tbh. Cultural appopriation is a joke and it doesn't even get discussed here in Europe

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its disgusting  how she threw the hip-hop culture under the bus now that its not beneficial to her anymore 

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2 minutes ago, The Fame Joanne said:

I already edited my post and said that it is only about that specific part. 

And America needs to leave that race bullshit behind tbh. Cultural appopriation is a joke and it doesn't even get discussed here in Europe

But Europe isn't the only continent. Why is Europe the baseline for everything? Because it's the whitest?