Nafen 417 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 34 minutes ago, Rebel Heart said: And two of those were in categories that were centred around rap music which only had black nominated artists. Tell me how the Grammys aren't racist when in the last 17 years 3 black musicians have won Album of The Year, when for the past 5 years at least that Grammy should have gone to a black musician. Wanna tell me again the Grammys aren't racist? I notice how you didn't name any of the artists you feel should have won AOTY "the past 5 years at least"... You just need them to be black... now THAT is racist! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppelganger 3,952 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 28 minutes ago, Britney Spears said: Well mr is already a top 10 hit The buying public loves it but let's face it music sales have been pretty bad... we need radio and more streaming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levine 23,717 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 If the era see another successful single (if DIC smashes this summer, I mean) she has much more possibility to get nominated. As for now, The Weeknd has it on lock. The'll give a shitload of important Grammys to a black person next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaryJaneHolland 77,348 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 she wont even get nominated imo even if she does, she'll lose it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderMagno 10,746 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Hum I don't think Joanne has a chance to be honest Not only the year has just begun, lots of new releases are coming, but the album wasn't that critically acclaimed. It's not Grammy-worthy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Heart 5,142 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Nafen said: I notice how you didn't name any of the artists you feel should have AOTY "the past 5 years at least"... 1 If you wanna know they're names you could've just looked at Wikipedia but since you're clearly too incompetent to do that, let me help you. Beyonce should have won in 2017 and 2015, Kendrick Lamar should have won in 2014 and 2016 and Frank Ocean should have won in 2013. 6 minutes ago, Nafen said: You just need them to be black... now THAT is racist! No, I don't need Grammy winners to be black but I find it disgraceful how the Grammys brand themselves as an award show that only gives out awards to musical excellence but continuously snub the musical excellence that black musicians achieve time and time again. Their criteria for awarding AOTY is to "honour artistic achievement, technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales or chart position." and yet time after time they prove they don't give a damn about "artistic achievement", "technical proficiency" and "overall excellence in the recording industry" and ONLY about "album sales or chart position" and skin colour. You seriously cannot tell me that 1989 is more of an artist achievement that has achieved more technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry than To Pimp a Butterfly. TPAB is superior in all those categories and the critics say so too. These white artists only win these awards because they're white and sell more not because their music is better. Hey Girl is the best song of Gaga's career #Justice4HeyGirl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBEY 57,109 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 screaming at anyone thinking joanne will get a nomination Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas P 18,479 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 If lemonade didn't win this year, there isn't any hope for gaga next year. Probs some indie country singer who's gonna come out of no where. I’m a simple guy to please, if you like Melodrama, we chill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nafen 417 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 4 hours ago, Rebel Heart said: If you wanna know they're names you could've just looked at Wikipedia but since you're clearly too incompetent to do that, let me help you. Beyonce should have won in 2017 and 2015, Kendrick Lamar should have won in 2014 and 2016 and Frank Ocean should have won in 2013. No, I don't need Grammy winners to be black but I find it disgraceful how the Grammys brand themselves as an award show that only gives out awards to musical excellence but continuously snub the musical excellence that black musicians achieve time and time again. Their criteria for awarding AOTY is to "honour artistic achievement, technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales or chart position." and yet time after time they prove they don't give a damn about "artistic achievement", "technical proficiency" and "overall excellence in the recording industry" and ONLY about "album sales or chart position" and skin colour. You seriously cannot tell me that 1989 is more of an artist achievement that has achieved more technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry than To Pimp a Butterfly. TPAB is superior in all those categories and the critics say so too. These white artists only win these awards because they're white and sell more not because their music is better. When you get a bit older you will realize that a lot of things in life are subjective, most of all music and other arts... All because your horse didn't win the race doesn't mean you get to call it rigged/racist/whatever. The fact is black artists win awards. It's almost like until you get a 1:1 ratio you will still think it's racist... The Grammys serves the Anglo-sphere, I don't understand your expectation of such high win ratios with minorities... Let us assume that an equal percentage of EVERY race goes into the music industry, for the sake of this point... So 1:7 people is black, that is about 1 billion people. 50 million of those live in North America (including Canada, Mexico and Caribbean) with another 1.5 million in UK and 500,000 in AUS and NZ... So it's not like they have some monopoly on making Western music, infact it's quite the opposite. They also don't help themselves by making their music and frankly entire culture so exclusive... When I listen to Beyonce I'm told I'm "assimilating black culture" and that's bad. Why should she win a Grammy when I'm told I can't listen to her music? Look at some outside factors how about you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas P 18,479 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, Nafen said: I notice how you didn't name any of the artists you feel should have won AOTY "the past 5 years at least"... You just need them to be black... now THAT is racist! I'll do it for him: 2017-No doubt Beyoncé 2016-No doubt Kendrik Lamar 2015-No doubt Beyoncé 2014-No doubt Kendrick Lamar 2013-No doubt Frank Ocean 2012-First year that a white artist deserved it imo, cuz 21 is amazing, (though I think BTW should have won, but that's Biased) 2011-Gaga should have won here, but whatever 2010-Beyoncé or Gaga deserved it more 2009-Irrelavant year So in conclusion, a black artist should have won for the past 5 years 100% imo. I’m a simple guy to please, if you like Melodrama, we chill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaTheExplorer 3,053 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 she won't has a chance against the new overrated darling Ed Sheeran... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Heart 5,142 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, Nafen said: When you get a bit older you will realize that lots of things in life are subjective, most of all music and other arts... 1 I do believe that music is subjective. But the Grammys have a criteria that give guidelines to how awards should be handed out and frankly most of these albums by white musicians don't fit the criteria. 10 minutes ago, Nafen said: All because your horse didn't win the race doesn't mean you get to call it rigged/racist/whatever. This isn't what this is about. This is about how the Grammys always turn on their values when it comes to awarding black music. 10 minutes ago, Nafen said: The fact is black artists win awards. But they don't win the ones that they should. 11 minutes ago, Nafen said: The Grammys serves the Anglo-sphere, I don't understand your expectation of such ratios with minorities... You know 1:7 people is black, that is about 1 billion people. 50 million of those live in North America (including Canada and Mexico)... So it's not like they have some monopoly on making music. 1 What do you even mean with this? This sounds racist af. 13 minutes ago, Nafen said: They also don't help themselves but making their music and frankly entire culture so exclusive... When I listen to Beyonce I'm told I'm "assimilating black culture" and that's bad. Why should she win a Grammy when I'm told I can't listen to her music? Look at some outside factors how about you? This whole last point of yours is so racist. How on earth do black people make their culture so exclusive? Who the hell told you-you couldn't listen to Beyonce? Just because you feel uncomfortable listening to music that celebrates black people doesn't mean you can't listen to it omg. You think she shouldn't win a Grammy because your fragile white ego can't handle the fact that Beyonce made an album for and about black women? Wow. So you're now saying that instead of being awarded to the music that actually fits the criteria for the achievement it should be awarded to the music that makes white people feel the most comfortable? You've finally proved my point. Bye. Hey Girl is the best song of Gaga's career #Justice4HeyGirl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nafen 417 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, Rebel Heart said: I do believe that music is subjective. But the Grammys have a criteria that give guidelines to how awards should be handed out and frankly most of these albums by white musicians don't fit the criteria. I wonder how many middle aged people listen to Beyonce and Kendrick and think "that's art", oh wait that doesn't matter, it's all about you... anyways to your point: Go look up what subjective means. The judges clearly think they fall into that criteria, that is their subjective opinion, they are the judges after all, not you. How you convince yourself that I'm racist (by typing statistics and sharing personal anecdotes) and you aren't when you say **** like "white musicians don't fit the criteria." ... is nuts. Get a grip. Self-reflection... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Heart 5,142 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Nafen said: I wonder how many middle aged people listen to Beyonce and Kendrick and think "that's art", oh wait that doesn't matter, it's all about you... anyways to your point: 1 What does that have to do with anything? How many middle aged people listen to Taylor Swift and think "that's art". What a pointless statement. 1 minute ago, Nafen said: How you convince yourself that I'm racist (by typing statistics) and you aren't when you say **** like "white musicians don't fit the criteria." ... that is nuts. Get a grip. Self-reflection... Nice cherry picking there. I said "most of these albums by white musicians don't fit the criteria" clearly in reference to Taylor Swift and co. And your "statistics" literally proved nothing. I don't even understand their significance except for you trying to justify white musicians winning Grammys because there are more white people in America. Hey Girl is the best song of Gaga's career #Justice4HeyGirl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiona Apple 13,006 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, doppelganger said: The buying public loves it but let's face it music sales have been pretty bad... we need radio and more streaming It is raising fastly on the radio and the streaming is decent.It's definitely already a moderate hit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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