Katy Perry - Roar (The PRISMATIC WORLD TOUR LIVE)

[Sad Kid 91]

I'm gonna spill some tea here. My friend's uncle works at the Philippine Arena wherein Katy Perry brought her Prismatic World Tour (May 7,2015) and my friend told me that only 80% are sold and they are giving away tickets for FREE just to fill up the arena for the sake to call the show sold out

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

I'm gonna spill some tea here. My friend's uncle works at the Philippine Arena wherein Katy Perry brought her Prismatic World Tour (May 7,2015) and my friend told me that only 80% are sold and they are giving away tickets for FREE just to fill up the arena for the sake to call the show sold out

And that had anything to do with this thread because...? And let us not begin on Gaga's team giving away tickets for her shows in Australia because they weren't sold out. See, it can go that way for all entertainers. 

[Sad Kid 91]

And that had anything to do with this thread because...? And let us not begin on Gaga's team giving away tickets for her shows in Australia because they weren't sold out. See, it can go that way for all entertainers. 

I didn't mean to shade... I was b---hing about why my friend declined and didn't gave me those free tickets 

[shaneybaby 450]

i just never have or will understand her appeal

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

I don't think I'm really bias against Katy, I just don't like her as a performer

She can have all the success in the world it doesn't bother me, people can love her music and that's fantastic and people can love her music videos and her fun, carefree, non serious humorous work. Great! It just doesn't work when someone calls her a great performer, that's objectively false.

I showed you contestants bottom three performances. I showed you contestants that barely made it into the finals. Katy would get past the first auditions but she wouldn't get into the live auditions round, she wouldn't make it into finals, her vocals are just not that good which means when that is her greatest strength as a performer she hasn't got much.

Why am I suddenly the standard of singing and performance? That's nonsense. I'm comparing Katy to great performers not to me. I never claimed to be a great singer or performer. the only one trying to twist anything is you. You know what we were talking about by choreography. We are not talking about walking on stage, we were talking about dance choreography. From the very beginning of this conversation that's pretty obvious when I was criticising her voice and her dancing. You know I wasn't asking for a video proving Katy could sing and walk at the same time, you know how silly that is, you know that anybody can do that. I mean of course Katy can walk and sing, what is your point? She cannot perform dance choreography even on a basic level and maintain her at-best-adequate vocals.

I'm not impressed with your videos of Katy walking and singing in a nice voice. She doesn't reach the standards of a great performer. She lacks the skill, she lacks the stage presence. We might as well leave it because you are not going to change my mind with some videos of Katy standing or walking while singing with a nice voice. A nice voice just doesn't cut it when that is your main talent. Conversely, I'm clearly not going to change your mind by providing you with videos of actual great performers for comparison purposes. 

I didn't even show you her best vocal performancesI only showed you a few performances where she combined the upbeat and energetic stage show value with  powerful vocals. She has vocal performances far better than those two (although the vocals from those two performances are still objectively great and rank among her best). Even though Madonna is an amazing singer and has the talent for it, her vocals from that Express Yourself performance (although they are good) wouldn't get her pass American Idol either, so let's not be hypocritical here. 

"Anybody can do it" is what you said. So I ask why won't you do it and see how well you'll do. Now you are just setting up Strawman arguments. 

I said it from the beginning - Katy's not a good dancer but you don't need both dancing and singing skills together to be an excellent performer. We were talking about stage presence and charm/charisma on stage at first, not singing or dancing. In the video I showed, she didn't look forced, stiffed, or wooden. She was energetic, confident, slayed effortlessly, owned the stage and draw the attention all to herself by captivating the crowd.  

[Whispering 18,865]

Since the person above me "has me on block",  I will honor their wishes and won't quote them...but WHY would anyone compare Madonna's stage presence to Katy's?!! Madonna owns the stage she is on, whether she was two years into her career or thirty years into her career. Plus, she can dance circles around Katy....with both feet tied together, her arms tied behind her back and blindfolded. 

These two are not in any way comparable with stage presence....stage movement...stage ANYTHING! 

[Bebe 17,094]

I didn't even show you her best vocal performancesI only showed you a few performances where she combined the upbeat and energetic stage show value with  powerful vocals. She has vocal performances far better than those two (although the vocals from those two performances are still objectively great and rank among her best). Even though Madonna is an amazing singer and has the talent for it, her vocals from that Express Yourself performance (although they are good) wouldn't get her pass American Idol either, so let's not be hypocritical here. 

"Anybody can do it" is what you said. So I ask why won't you do it and see how well you'll do. Now you are just setting up Strawman arguments. 

I said it from the beginning - Katy's not a good dancer but you don't need both dancing and singing skills together to be an excellent performer. We were talking about stage presence and charm/charisma on stage at first, not singing or dancing. In the video I showed, she didn't look forced, stiffed, or wooden. She was energetic, confident, slayed effortlessly, owned the stage and draw the attention all to herself by captivating the crowd.  

But you are still admitting that those vocal performances rank among her best.... That isn't impressive. You can't call those performances objectively great, especially when faced with better vocal performances from vocalists who are technically far superior. 

I'm not being hypocritical with Madonna, the focus of that performance wasn't her vocal ability it was her ability as a dancer. Throughout this conversation I have talked about Katy's main talent. We seem to be in agreement that Katy's main talent as a performer is her singing, my point is that Katy's main talent isn't outstanding - she wouldn't pass through a show like American Idol, a talent show that focuses on live singing.

It is Madonna's main talent as a dancer that captivates the audience and makes her a great performer. Katy's main talent as a performer seems to be her singing, that's what I have said numerous times during this conversation and it seems to be what you are also focusing on. Her singing is nice but is hardly exceptional. She just can't compete as a good performer.

You will notice I actually used three very different examples of a great performance. For Madonna that is her exceptional choreography, for Beyonce it is a mixture of flawless choreography and a powerful voice, for Gaga she excels when she is at her piano conveying emotion through her singing. What exactly is the talent that captivates the audience with Katy?

What I said is that MOST PEOPLE can sing and walk. Yes I can do that, not very well, but I'm not a performer. You are taking what I say very literally and not allowing for any level of nuance whatsoever in my speech. What I clearly meant by that statement is that walking around like that isn't a huge strain, it isn't going to affect your ability as a singer. Standing while singing and walking while singing isn't a huge task, it can be very impressive when you have a very strong vocalist whose main talent is being a magnificent singer. Walking around with a nice voice doesn't cut it, it doesn't make her a great performer. It isn't a strawman argument, it's just that you are lowering the bar so low for Katy. If the bar for a great performer is someone who can sing while walking around better than me then anybody with a somewhat nice voice is a great performer.

I don't know where this charm or charisma is coming from though.... You can clearly see it in the three videos that I linked... For those performers they are so at ease and have such an incredible talent that you get drawn in. What is drawing you into Katy? I still can't see any reason other than her massive celebrity. 

In terms of her VS performance, the girls actually walking have some sense of stage presence and charisma. I would argue more so than Katy, but I wouldn't in a million years dream of calling them great performers.

All I really want is for you to say something along the lines of:

"I'm a huge fan of Katy, I love her music and I feel like I know her, and therefore when she gets on stage I am captivated! Being a live performer isn't one of her main talents, but her work in the studio to craft perfect pop tunes and her cute and quirky image is what I respect and what makes me a fan!"

That I could totally 100% get. What I cannot possibly accept is that she is a great performer, my bar is clearly higher than yours.

I don't know how I got drawn in again to type all this crap out, but let's just end it. I'm not going to reply any more because neither of us are getting anywhere, especially when you are purposefully twisting what I say when talking about choreography or saying that most people can sing and walk at the same time.

Let's just agree that we have different standards when it comes to performers. What you look for in a performer is far different to what I look for in a performer. You can continue on stanning for Katy as a live performer, I'll continue stanning for artists that satisfy what I want to see in a live performance.

[Whispering 18,865]

I'm not impressed with your videos of Katy walking and singing in a nice voice. She doesn't reach the standards of a great performer. She lacks the skill, she lacks the stage presence. ....are not going to change my mind with some videos of Katy standing or walking while singing with a nice voice. A nice voice just doesn't cut it when that is your main talent. 

I always look for what the performer is bringing to the stage that shows me they are in command of their stage. Is it someone like Kelly Clarkson, Adele, Christina, (fill in the blank with any great singer you prefer here) that have such great voices that they could stand in one place with one spotlight and people would come here them sing? Is the artist a great dancer and overall showman like Beyoncé...someone that convinces you that they are in command and owning every single step they make on that stage? Madonna is another artist who owned the stage in this way. Are they great at storytelling, like so many country artists and singer-songwriter types...are they owning the stage by making you believe that they are feeling every word they are singing and saying on that night? Garth Brooks was the best at this, and look at the legacy he has. Are they owning the stage by pouring their heart out on the stage, where you believe that their heart was just broken yesterday or they just wrote these words yesterday? Artists like MJ, Pink and Gaga are artists that have a combination of many of these factors. They own the stage, they are the focus. No matter what the staging or the dancers are doing, they own the stage. 

That's really what a great performer is about, whether it is a musical artist, a dancer, or an actor on a theatre stage or movie/tv screen. Great performers buy into their performance and their character during that performance. They make you believe every word they are saying or every move they are making is something they are feeling intensely on that night...and make you believe it is all just for you! At 89 years old, Tony Bennett is still making you believe and feel every word of every song. A great performer commits fully, without fear and buys into their performance and that's what makes the audience buy into the performance.

Katy looks like she isn't fully committed, like she is doubting herself or still counting steps...almost like she is marking her steps, moves and emotions in a dress rehearsal. It's like you can see her thinking through her steps. That's why she isn't someone who owns the stage like the great performers...and at this point in her career, she should be experienced and confident enough to do that. 

[Bebe 17,094]

I always look for what the performer is bringing to the stage that shows me they are in command of their stage. Is it someone like Kelly Clarkson, Adele, Christina, (fill in the blank with any great singer you prefer here) that have such great voices that they could stand in one place with one spotlight and people would come here them sing? Is the artist a great dancer and overall showman like Beyoncé...someone that convinces you that they are in command and owning every single step they make on that stage? Madonna is another artist who owned the stage in this way. Are they great at storytelling, like so many country artists and singer-songwriter types...are they owning the stage by making you believe that they are feeling every word they are singing and saying on that night? Garth Brooks was the best at this, and look at the legacy he has. Are they owning the stage by pouring their heart out on the stage, where you believe that their heart was just broken yesterday or they just wrote these words yesterday! Artists like MJ, Pink and Gaga are artists that have a combination of many of these factors. They own the stage, they are the focus. No matter what the staging or the dancers are doing, they own the stage. 

That's really what a great performer is about, whether it is a musical artist, a dancer, or an actor on a theatre stage or movie/tv screen. Great performers buy into their performance and their character during that performance. They make you believe every word they are saying or every move they are making is something they are feeling intensely on that night...and make you believe it is all just for you! At 92 years old, Tony Bennett is still making you believe and feel every word of every song. A great performer commits fully, without fear and buys into their performance and that's what makes the audience buy into the performance.

Katy looks like she isn't fully committed, like she is doubting herself or still counting steps...almost like she is marking her steps, moves and emotions in a dress rehearsal. It's like you can see her thinking through her steps. That's why she isn't someone who owns the stage like the great performers...and at this point in her career, she should be experienced and confident to do that. 

This is exactly how I feel, it's regrettable that I feel like I'm being portrayed as a Katy basher for criticising one aspect of her work.

For artists like Amy Winehouse, Madonna or an artist like Elton John (I'll avoid Gaga because I feel like there is some sort of resentment due to fan base wars between Gaga and Katy fans) They have some exceptional talent that really captivates the audience and leaves us in awe.

For an artist like Amy that is her incredible voice! She didn't just have a nice voice, she had an exceptional voice. You could feel the emotion and really melt away into the performance. It was magical! I was watching old Amy performances the other day for nostalgia and she is just a brilliant talent.

For an artist like Madonna, especially in her hey-day, her choreographed pieces where brilliance. You would watch her dance on stage and just be completely captivated.

For an artist like Elton John you can watch him play the piano all day,he is absolutely masterful. He shocked audiences in America with the way he played these upbeat songs and how he would stand on the chair and play. He is just magnificent! He can improvise and create melodies on the spot, it's incredible to watch.

With all these artists they build their stage presence through their talent. When you watch Amy she looks so vulnerable, but her incredible voice coming from that body is just magical. It brings a charm and charisma. For Madonna it is her strong and confident choreography and for Elton it is his ability to play and create melodies on the spot that makes his performances feel unpredictable and give him this spark.

For someone like Katy, her talent doesn't seem to be as a live performer. Her main talent as a performer is her voice, but it isn't exceptional. There is no talent of hers that seems unique or stand out from the rest of the crowd. She can carry a nice tune, but it's nothing that makes me go "Oh Wow!". She looks so wooden and stiff when she attempts choreography and she just doesn't have anything that captivates me. She doesn't have the talent.

It makes me think that any perceived stage presence comes from her star power and celebrity rather than any talent like our other examples. That just doesn't do it for me.

If someone wants to tell me that Katy's talent is at crafting incredible pop songs or creating quirky and appealing music videos then that's fantastic. But I can't really accept that Katy is a great performer.

[BlondeQueenOfGGD 25,454]

Slay queen! 

[NewYorkCity 10,536]

such an epic intro but as soon as she sings it falls apart...the song is so ridiculously childish and anticlimactic ...

this.

she just has like ZERO stage presence.

[ゼレミ ノヴェリノ 370]

The only thing that amazes me is its stellar visual effects, otherwise it's meh.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

This is exactly how I feel, it's regrettable that I feel like I'm being portrayed as a Katy basher for criticising one aspect of her work.

For artists like Amy Winehouse, Madonna or an artist like Elton John (I'll avoid Gaga because I feel like there is some sort of resentment due to fan base wars between Gaga and Katy fans) They have some exceptional talent that really captivates the audience and leaves us in awe.

For an artist like Amy that is her incredible voice! She didn't just have a nice voice, she had an exceptional voice. You could feel the emotion and really melt away into the performance. It was magical! I was watching old Amy performances the other day for nostalgia and she is just a brilliant talent.

For an artist like Madonna, especially in her hey-day, her choreographed pieces where brilliance. You would watch her dance on stage and just be completely captivated.

For an artist like Elton John you can watch him play the piano all day,he is absolutely masterful. He shocked audiences in America with the way he played these upbeat songs and how he would stand on the chair and play. He is just magnificent! He can improvise and create melodies on the spot, it's incredible to watch.

With all these artists they build their stage presence through their talent. When you watch Amy she looks so vulnerable, but her incredible voice coming from that body is just magical. It brings a charm and charisma. For Madonna it is her strong and confident choreography and for Elton it is his ability to play and create melodies on the spot that makes his performances feel unpredictable and give him this spark.

For someone like Katy, her talent doesn't seem to be as a live performer. Her main talent as a performer is her voice, but it isn't exceptional. There is no talent of hers that seems unique or stand out from the rest of the crowd. She can carry a nice tune, but it's nothing that makes me go "Oh Wow!". She looks so wooden and stiff when she attempts choreography and she just doesn't have anything that captivates me. She doesn't have the talent.

It makes me think that any perceived stage presence comes from her star power and celebrity rather than any talent like our other examples. That just doesn't do it for me.

If someone wants to tell me that Katy's talent is at crafting incredible pop songs or creating quirky and appealing music videos then that's fantastic. But I can't really accept that Katy is a great performer.

I don't get any emotion from Katy as a performer, I watched her whole live DVD and her phrases seemed forced etc. Like she seems so animated.

If she wasn't controlled by a mega corporate business then I think her talent would shine through. But it's hard to ignore that Katy is indeed a product/ manufactured. When she performs she seems very robotic and everything seems so planned out. If you watch he tour DVD someone gets proposed to during Unconditionally and it all seems so set up for PR, something artists like Madonna Bey wouldn't do .

Her show seems like it cost a lot to make visually to make, but what if we stipped all of that away? Her dancing and singing wouldn't be able to make the show as much as her visuals cover for.

Katy wouldn't be able to hold a very good ground with a stage like Gaga's ArtRAVE. All there was, was rave lights and a white backdrop with costume changes. Katy had Prismatic vision goggles for ticket holders, slings to throw her high into the air, props left and right, a stage double the size of Gaga's. etc.

[ARTPOPdidntflop 3,987]

Katy Perry, Kween of the Teeny Boppers and their Soccer Moms! 

[swakby 4,100]

The sad thing is that this is one of her best performances in terms of vocals