LG5 vs KP4

[Chiunzhan 997]

Who's Katy Perry?

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

Born This Way did NOT sell 5,5m  Btw Katy Perry's singles were both really successful but impactful in what way?   Gaga was bigger than Katy in 2009,2010,2011,2012 imo... In 2011-2012 Katy had a lot of hits but couldn't even make a big tour...In 2010 btw Gaga was huge and Katy was just a popstar..She wasn't even that big then

I don't think that you are objective..Just my opinion

PRISM has sold 4.1 million copies WW to date. Born This Way has sold around 6 million copies WW. (8 million are estimations and adjusted sales set by her record label)

Roar had a lot of impact. Dark Horse helped to popularized trap music in the mainstream scene. Their enormous success speaks for itself, and they were not just two little cute hits. 

Gaga was busy with The Born This Way Ball Tour in 2012, and she wasn't much talked about or heard in that year. Katy on the other hand was the Woman of the Year according to Billboard, Part of Me debuted at #1 (biggest female debut that year), Wide Awake was one of that year's biggest and most popular hits, Teenage Dream was re-released as Teenage Dream: The Complete Confection, Katy launched Katy Perry the Movie: Part of Me (which went to become one of the highest grossing and most successful musical doscumentaries and concert films of all time) and won the Spotlight award along with another special award (which i forgot it's name), performed at several festivals, award shows, etc. I also think she was the top radio artist that year. 

Katy didn't have just a bunch of hits. She had singles which broke and set or tied records. Her accomplishments and milestones in 2011 were huge. Katy started her actual dominance in pop music and culture in 2010, she released her album, Teenage Dream, and she had three monster hits that year. She appeared on the cover of several magazines, performed in festivals, awards shows, etc. She also had impact in 2010-2011, with her music, looks, performances and tour (Ariana Grande's Honeymoon Tour literally has taken a bunch of elements from the California Dreams Tour), where you admit it or not. 

 

Please. Katy has only been bigger than Gaga in the past two years. Gaga was bigger than Katy from 2008-2012. Born This Way remains to be one of the most influential pop albums in the past decade, so what if it has only sold 2 million copies more than PRISM? PRISM still fails to have the impact Gaga had from The Fame Monster to Born This Way. If Gaga hadn't came along Katy wouldn't even be making the videos, performances, etc. that she makes now so let's not talk about who was bigger from 2008-2012 because you will lose

As I explained above, Gaga wasn't bigger than Katy in 2012. In 2008, Katy was bigger than Gaga. Receipts and facts from that year (sales numbers, awards and nominations, events, chart performances, media coverage, airplays, controversy, etc) speak for themselves.

What is your definition of impact and influential, exactly? Is it being constantly talked about and making controversy? 

LMAO, no. Let's stop the delusion. Katy was already starting to be eccentric, edgy and quirky before Gaga became popular and successful and even before she made her debut. 

[Yanko 9,860]

i already said "most of her songs" ,not every song  

not most of the songs

i just listed her hits without bonnie

she has a lot of song without bonnie 

[Mister Gaga 22,948]

It depends. If Katy comes with Teenage Dream 3.0 i'm afraid she'll underperform. Sure, she'll have some smash hit ala Roar, but it alredy happened with PRISM. She underperfomed with 3/5 singles that were really TD style. 

But she isn't stupid. She must come up with something different, something really ****ing dark 

I'll be happy if both succed tbh. None deserves to flop, because both are talented and they work really hard. But Gaga deserves to succed. 

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

 

 

 

 

TF and TFM are still the biggest thing that happened in POP (Adele is not pop to me)

since 2008 till today 

so when Katy gets her TF/TFM Era call me

LG5 could be big if Gaga wants , all she has to do is super basic music, look like a barbie , DONE

but LG5 could be HUGE like TF/TFM if she takes a RISK something Katy has never done i love Katy but she's always in a comfort zone following a formula 

but KP4 won't be bigger than TD and PRISM , so LG5 realistically has a greater chance to shine since ARTPOP was overshadowed. Where as the public is expecting Dark Horse 2.0 and TD 2.0 from Katy and that's not happening. She'll get one or two at most number one singles on the charts her other singles will be Top 20, Opening week sales will be 250-300K , Album will sell 4M WW when the era is over no grammy for it. Her videos will obviously be over watched. 

Where as i predict LG5 might not get any number one singles first two singles top 10, other singles will be Top 30 but the album will open with 400-500 K , Album will sell 6M WW when the era is over and she will get a grammy for it. LG5 won't give Gaga a video with a billion views , 500M at best if it's a BR or DWUW. 

My predictions are quite realistic 

I Kissed a Girl, E.T. and Dark Horse say hi and are just a few examples. 

 

 

Gaga was way way bigger in 2008 (mainly Europe), 2009, 2010 (she was literally bigger than LIFE) 

2011 they seemed equal 

2012 Gaga was not active musically so Katy can't be bigger 

Thus Katy was bigger in 2013 and 2014 only and for a fact Gaga was bigger world wide in 2009 and 2010

 

and honestly none of my friends knew who Katy Perry was till Firework came out all they knew was oh you mean the lesbian singer who kisses girls , i think after Firework that's when she got the MAJOR highlight and has been riding on that wave of success. I guess you can say I Kissed A Girl was her Just Dance but it was not till Firework that she got her Bad Romance.

Assume you are right that in 2008 Katy was bigger due to I Kissed A Girl her debut single (even though this was not the case in Europe) , Gaga's debut single Just Dance sold more than I Kissed A Girl and Poker Face shatters Hot N Cold and I Kissed A Girl in everything.

So If we are comparing the eras/albums

TF/TFM > One Of The Boys

BTW=Teenage Dream  (BTW did Great as an album, TD did Great with it's singles)

ARTPOP < PRISM 

So i guess they are tied , one use to be big and the other got big later , so i guess you never know the outcome of popularity with LG5 and KP4 anything is possible 

Sure Jan. Gaga's record sales and chart performances from 2008 say otherwise. In February of 2010, when Gaga won one of her BRIT awards, they said that when she came there last year, nobody knew much about her. I think that says a lot about her career and stardom status prior to when Just Dance and Poker Face took off in early 2009. 

 

Prism has sold much less what TD sold in the UK it went from 1.7M for TD to 300,000+ Prism. In the US it went from 3M for TD to 1.65 for Prism. Everywhere else it did half. Her sales are already in decline.  US sales was Prism's saving grace. People in the US tend to turn quickly on a pop artist after the 3rd or 4th album. Taylor is different because country music functions differently than pop. Lets see what happens after Taylor's 3rd or 4th pop album. I am going to say KP4 will do exactly 1/2 of Prism, 2M WW. LG5 is more difficult to predict, because she is going in a different direction. It could be a hit or miss. I honestly don't think that Katy has the pull to tell her record company, "I want to go in a different direction." I think it will be another standard pop album. I'm still not sure why people think 1.65M is a huge success. It's a nice hit, but not a huge success. I mean didn't Taylor do that much in two weeks with 1989? Didn't Beyonce do that within the month with her 2013 release?

Let's not act like Katy is controlled or owned by her record label because she isn't.  

 

Lady Gaga clearly! history shows that Gaga outsells Katy Perry with the exception of ARTPOP but given the fact that ARTPOP had a lot of issues its understandable.

Prism only sold 28 k more than ARTPOP but for Katy Perry 286 000 is successful where Gaga those numbers are bad.

I truly believe LG5 will have great sales, the numbers will be Gaga worthy numbers atleast 500k first week, while katy will still get her regular sales numbers under 300k first week. If after all the singles off teenage dream and then her next album (prism) didn't crack 300k first week what makes people think Prism with 2 hits will help her 4th album do good. 

Are you talking about WW sales there? Cause if you are, then your deeply mistaking. Except for Born This Way, Katy's first week sales have been higher than Gaga's. Katy's first week sales have been rising with each album, so I'm not what makes you think that what you're saying might be true. Those numbers for Gaga were bad when compared to BTW's first week sales. 

 

The one where the artist actually wrote the songs.

So you're talking about both? 

 

 

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

Not some people in this thread saying stuff like "Katy is already going downhill" "people aren't interested in her anymore" and etc.  

Dream on, ya'll!

[Kacey Elizabeth 900]

It depends. If Katy comes with Teenage Dream 3.0 i'm afraid she'll underperform. Sure, she'll have some smash hit ala Roar, but it alredy happened with PRISM. She underperfomed with 3/5 singles that were really TD style. 

But she isn't stupid. She must come up with something different, something really ****ing dark 

I'll be happy if both succed tbh. None deserves to flop, because both are talented and they work really hard. But Gaga deserves to succed. 

Teenage Dream 3.0? Where? I can't find songs like Legendary Lovers, Walking On Air, Unconditionally, Dark Horse, Ghost, Love Me, This Moment, Double Rainbow, By the Grace of God, Spiritual, It Takes Two or Choose Your Battles anywhere on Teenage Dream. TD and PRISM are two completely different albums with different themes, genres, styles, concepts and imageries. Sonically, lyrically and musically, they're very different. The only reason Roar, Birthday, This Is How We Do and International Smile might sound like they belong to TD is because they're bubblegum, lighthearted and vibrant pop songs made for radio. 

[GloZell Green 11,723]

I Kissed a Girl, E.T. and Dark Horse say hi and are just a few examples. 

 

Sure Jan. Gaga's record sales and chart performances from 2008 say otherwise. In February of 2010, when Gaga won one of her BRIT awards, they said that when she came there last year, nobody knew much about her. I think that says a lot about her career and stardom status prior to when Just Dance and Poker Face took off in early 2009. 

 

Let's not act like Katy is controlled or owned by her record label because she isn't.  

 

Are you talking about WW sales there? Cause if you are, then your deeply mistaking. Except for Born This Way, Katy's first week sales have been higher than Gaga's. Katy's first week sales have been rising with each album, so I'm not what makes you think that what you're saying might be true. Those numbers for Gaga were bad when compared to BTW's first week sales. 

 

So you're talking about both? 

 

 

Why are you attacking every single person that posts that LG5 is going to sell more? What's your problem? Not everyone will agree with you.  And no, Gaga only if you understood 

[LeoFameMonster 1,592]

"Are you talking about WW sales there? Cause if you are, then your deeply mistaking. Except for Born This Way, Katy's first week sales have been higher than Gaga's. Katy's first week sales have been rising with each album, so I'm not what makes you think that what you're saying might be true. Those numbers for Gaga were bad when compared to BTW's first week sales. "

 

 

 

I should clarify, Album and single sales world wide for gaga are higher than Katy Perry's not just in 1st week sales. Overall Gaga is much much more successful that Katy Perry. Which is why I am confident LG5 will be more successful that KP4

 

Lady Gaga = album and single sold is over 27 million and 125 million

 

KP=11 million albums and 81 million singles worldwide

 

Richest female singers as of 2015- Katy Perry @ 25 Lady Gaga @ 13


 

 

[ThisGuyTony 31,086]

I just want slayage from both. 

Dont think I can handle another era where one of my faves is dragged by the media, critics, stans.  

[Arturo 40,746]

Idk but I think we won't get Gaga till Q2 and Katy will release something by Q3. In other words, expect their eras to somewhat coincide once again.

[Arturo 40,746]

"Are you talking about WW sales there? Cause if you are, then your deeply mistaking. Except for Born This Way, Katy's first week sales have been higher than Gaga's. Katy's first week sales have been rising with each album, so I'm not what makes you think that what you're saying might be true. Those numbers for Gaga were bad when compared to BTW's first week sales. "

 

 

 

I should clarify, Album and single sales world wide for gaga are higher than Katy Perry's not just in 1st week sales. Overall Gaga is much much more successful that Katy Perry. Which is why I am confident LG5 will be more successful that KP4

 

Lady Gaga = album and single sold is over 27 million and 125 million

 

KP=11 million albums and 81 million singles worldwide

 

Richest female singers as of 2015- Katy Perry @ 25 Lady Gaga @ 13


 

 

Yes Gaga has sold more records than Katy but your numbers for Katy are really outdated. She sold 65M singles WW with the TD/CC era alone. That 81M number is just her OOTB era and TD era. It doesn't count the PRISM era singles that pushed more than 20M singles. Also Katy has sold 14M albums not 11M.

And Katy made $135M in 2015 according to Forbes and Gaga made $59M. 

[ZombieBoy 17]

PRISM has sold 4.1 million copies WW to date. Born This Way has sold around 6 million copies WW. (8 million are estimations and adjusted sales set by her record label)

Roar had a lot of impact. Dark Horse helped to popularized trap music in the mainstream scene.

Stopped reading here 

Trap music has already been popular. I mean, DH even sounds like *****s in Paris by Kanye and Jay Z .

 

OT: I don't know who will have the more sucsessful era. All I care about is the quality of the music

[kiwifromvenus 508]

I will only be purchasing Gaga's album. Laty's albums tire after a month. Theres a few songs I reutnr to but the rest is meh eh songs for the bored.

Gaga's albums stick and grow and evolve. TBH I think LG5 will be more successful and I think more importantly it will be more acclaimed and artistic which is more important anyway.

 

I agree. And that will lead to more positive press (if Gaga doesn't do something controversial that makes the public hate her) and then people could love her again

I think she should just be her and not worry about whether she is controversial or not. Personally I love when she sticks up for what she believes in and is loud about it and if that means controversy then so be it. People will love her regardless.

LG5 will be successful if people actually listen to it:

WITHOUT first reading the opinions people have of it
IF THEY listen to every single song in order and listen to it by themselves to soak it in
WITHOUT pre judging or comparing to her past albums

thats all people do with gaga and Im sick of it. Enjoy it as a new experience and you will love it, your neighbour will love it and the world will too 

(Not directed at you by the way this is all generally speaking :) ) 

[Mister Gaga 22,948]

Teenage Dream 3.0? Where? I can't find songs like Legendary Lovers, Walking On Air, Unconditionally, Dark Horse, Ghost, Love Me, This Moment, Double Rainbow, By the Grace of God, Spiritual, It Takes Two or Choose Your Battles anywhere on Teenage Dream. TD and PRISM are two completely different albums with different themes, genres, styles, concepts and imageries. Sonically, lyrically and musically, they're very different. The only reason Roar, Birthday, This Is How We Do and International Smile might sound like they belong to TD is because they're bubblegum, lighthearted and vibrant pop songs made for radio. 

You must learn to respect others opinions beside yours. It's ok if PRISM sounds completely different from TD for you; but it doesn't for me. I found the production really similar in some cases (Birthday, Last Friday Night-By The Grace of God, Not Like The Movies) and the themes and lyrics too (Baby you're a Firework and you're gonna hear me Roar; ET/Spiritual). I feel like if you swapped any song on TD and put it on P., or viceversa, the album would still sound the same. But it's ok if it doesn't for you.

I was there for Katy during TD era; after that I expected something different for PRISM, but it wasn't like that. However, I gave her another chance and said "well, next time she'll do something different". But that's not working anymore on me. I'll not be here for the same things. I've been through Friday and Birthday; i'll not be here for New Year.