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How did Beyonce get the child self to sing te lyrics to "Grown Woman" ?

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How did Beyonce get the child self to sing te lyrics to "Grown Woman" ?

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Fawking amazing. Beyonce' is going to overflowed the vmas, amas, grammys, and bet awards next year! Bowwwwing. I love the video. Very creative and one of her best videos thus far.

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How did Beyonce get the child self to sing te lyrics to "Grown Woman" ?

 

 

 

I'm also wondering that

 

 

The same manipulation technique as this:

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izh0cvR1jKg

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How did Beyonce get the child self to sing te lyrics to "Grown Woman" ?

EXACTLY...

Amazing edit!!!

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Pepsi is so gross tho. Beyonce needs to promo Coke.

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How did Beyonce get the child self to sing te lyrics to "Grown Woman" ?

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I was beginning to think my iTunes download of the video was bad quality but I guess it's supposed to look that way. Interesting.

 

How did Beyonce get the child self to sing te lyrics to "Grown Woman" ?

She had her whole career planned out!!  

 

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You hate me because you aint me. But again, when all these competitors and critics were young they dreamt of being like Beyonce, they can hate or act like that isn't a big deal now but they should really respect her and bow down. The whole song is about addressing her haters and competitors.

"Imagine the person that hates you, imagine the person that doesn’t believe in you and look in the mirror and say ‘bow down, b---h’!†- Beyonce on "Bow Down"

Ignoring the fact that you seem to be ok with multiple men calling themselves kings or Gods (Kanye, Jay and Eminem) while making successful women battle it out among each other by allowing only one woman to be on top, what gives you the right to criticise hip-hop culture? I think a lot of your "feminist" objections to this song actually come from a lack of understanding and/or acceptance of a culture that you are not a part of and that you are not familiar with. Idgaf how many hip-hop albums you have listened too, it is clear that you don't understand the roots of hip-hop and the culture that surrounds it.

Hip-hop has its origins in the 1970s. It originated in African-American communities in New York. "Braggadicio" became a large part of hip-hop and it appealed to the communities who felt oppressed. Like "Zoot-Suiting" from the 1940's and 1950's and like how African-Americans started calling themselves "man" instead of "boy" as their white oppressors had called them, Hip-hop and Braggadicio became a way for these young African Americans to defy their oppressors through the way they dressed, carried themselves and through how they spoke and rhymed. Braggadicio is ingrained as a part of hip-hop culture, it's why Kendrick Lamar can come into the game for two seconds and name himself the King of New York. It isn't necessarily a reflection of their narcissism it is an expression of confidence and it is a way many African Americans gave themselves a sense of self worth. If you truly do like hip-hop music, at least have a little appreciation for its origins.

There are many young African American girls looking up to Beyonce as a source of strength. There are not many black women who are depicted in the way Beyonce is. They get what Beyonce is doing, they get this song and it is an empowering song for them. What gives feminism a bad name is that it constantly ignores cultural/socio-political differences and fails to fully encompass women of colour and women from minorities. Feminism for many seems to be working towards reducing oppression for white women only. This is why the 'womanist' movement is becoming more popular.

How about you actually read what black feminist writers from "Gradient Lair", "Racialicious" and "Crunk Feminist Collective" think about Beyonce and her song?

http://www.gradientlair.com/post/50751492514/white-feminist-critique-beyonce-ad-perpetuum-ugh

http://www.racialicious.com/2013/12/17/quoted-on-beyonce-and-feminism/

http://www.crunkfeministcollective.com/2013/12/13/5-reasons-im-here-for-beyonce-the-feminist/

I said earlier that I was just going to ignore this part but the hypocrisy of it all is astounding. 

 

"I can see why Kanye, Jay and Eminem think they're they best and I think they could all be considered the king in their own ways."

I'll just post a few of my favourite lyrics of theirs in some spoilers.

Kanye (who refers to himself as Yeezus and has claimed he is a God.)

 

One last announcement/No sports bra, let's keep it bouncing/Everybody wanna live at the top of the mountain/Took her to the 'Bleau, she tried to sip the fountain/That when David Grutman kicked her out/But I got her back in and put my dick in her mouth - On Sight

When I grab your neck, I touch your soul/Take off your cool then lose control. - Say You WIll

These other niggas is lyin, actin’ like the summer ain’t mine/I got that hot b---h in my home/You know how many hot b---hes I own? - Niggas in Paris

Get you a cute chick, face got potential/Working with her little hips, waist like a pencil/Know how niggas play you, but you know how 'Ye do. - Throw some D's

I paid for them titties, get your own/It ain't safe in the city, watch the throne - That's my b---h

But I know that God put you in front of me/ So how the hell could you front on me?/There's a thousand yous, there's only one of me - Stronger

 

 

Jay Z (who refers to himself as Jay-Hova and has called himself a king)

 

(Bitch) Sisters get respect, b---hes get what they deserve/SIsters work hard, b---hes work your nerves/Sisters hold you down, b---hes hold you up/Sisters help you progress, b---hes will slow you up/Sisters cook up a meal, play their role with the kids/Bitches in street with their nose in your biz/Sisters tell the truth, b---hes tell lies/Sisters drive cars, b---hes wanna ride - Bitches and Sisters

Many chicks wanna put Jigga fist in cuffs/Divorce him and split his bucks/Just because you got good head, I'ma break bread/so you can be livin it up? -Big Pimpin'

 

If you're having girl problems I feel bad for you, son/I've got 99 problems but a b---h ain't one - 99 problems

 

Eminem (Who has referred to himself as a king numerous times and has recently said he is a rap God)

 

 

Slut, you think I won't choke no *****/Til the vocal cords don't work in her throat no more - Kill You

Hey Slim, that's my girlfriend screamin' in the trunk/But I didn't slit her throat, I just tied her up, see I ain't like you/Cause if she suffocates she'll suffer more and then she'll die too - Stan (also referencing his song 97 Bonnie and Clyde where he murders his wife and dumps her body in the river)

Hi there girl, you mighta/Heard of me before, see *****, you're the kind of girl that I'd assault/And rape then figure why not try not to make your *** wider?/**** you with an umbrella, then open it up while the ****'s inside ya - Stay Wide Awake

 

See me I'm all up on your b---h means I'mma rape her/All I got for these hoes is dick, duct tape and a stapler/So b---h, you better look for table scraps to scrape up - Celebrity (Remix)

 

 

All of those guys are great but HOW DARE a woman who was part of one of the most successful girl bands of all time, who has 17 Grammy awards, who has appeared in multiple successful movies, has 5 #1 albums, who has sold 13 million albums in the US and over 118 million records worldwide, who was the top certified artist of the 2000s with a total of 64 certifications and who has influenced artists such as Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Leona Lewis, Nicole Scherzinger, Rita Ora, Jessie J among countless others name herself as a KING and tell BITCHES to bow down. IT JUST REEKS OF NARCISSISM AND MISOGYNY!

You see my point? Not only do your criticisms seem so shallow and ignorant they also seem very hypocritical. Why are you so goddamn harsh on strong, successful women while so willing to let these men call themselves what they want and say what they want?

You are not only judging and dictating the actions of Beyonce from a separate cultural perspective, you are also harshly enforcing these stringent moral codes on black women and not on men.

 

Multiple successful men can call themselves kings and Gods according to you, but Beyonce and Nicki cannot because there are other females out there that are "better" than them. Only Lil Kim can be the Queen of Rap and only Mary J can be the Queen of RnB (with Mariah vying for the title), Madonna's still the queen (Although Gaga and Britney might be able to become queen one day).

 

Let's not pretend that you are worried Beyonce isn't promoting equality by telling females to bow down because you are helping to force them down by turning women against each other and by promoting the notion that there can be limited successful women. Stop bringing women down.

I think it is disappointing that a female who identifies as a feminist releases an album that, challenges confining beauty standards in the opening track, that helps associate feminine traits with strength and power, that features other powerful women in her life such as Tina, Kelly, Michelle and Solange by her side and that features Chimanada Ngozi Adiche is torn apart by people eager to tear her down and somehow invalidate her feminism in any way they can. It's pretty common for women of colour to face such intense criticism though. As popular blog Feministing once said "[beyoncé] is not allowed to be groundbreaking and traditional. She has to be Supermom or super hot stuff or super feminist. There isn't enough flexibility for her to just be who she is and for us to be able to say 'I'm not crazy about that decision, but this decision was amazing.'"

 

It goes beyond criticism, as Gradient Lair said in the link I posted above "the perpetual critique of Beyoncé is no longer productive critique. (I am not sure that it ever was.) This critique is creating arbitrary standards that Black feminists have to meet that White feminists do not."

 

No, it is me telling you that you are coming across as angry and pressed.

I would like you to find me a quote where I have even remotely implied that my words are infallible and that I am not subject to criticism. This seems like a case of projection. Once again you may criticise me, beyonce, lorde or whomever you want, stop getting so defensive when people call you out on your BS.

On the case of how you think your "opinions" cannot be BS though:

"And yes, I do use opportunities to spout the truth about Beyonce because I want to alert people to all the shady stuff she does that they may be unaware of."

 

Really? sprouting the truth about Beyonce? You are presenting your opinions as facts. If opinions can be true they can also be wrong, or BS. This is what I meant by the projection though. You have an attitude of "Everything I say is factual, nobody may criticise what I say" and then you start going off about how others are not exempt from criticism and that others opinions are just their opinions.

"It's not my problem if some people want to pretend these issues don't exist."

 

Once again, you seem to imply that what you are stating is fact when it is really just your opinion. Everything you write is opinion based, you provide no facts, and then you frame your writing as if it is a factual piece

 

Regardless of who it's directed to, it certainly doesn't fufil its purpose. A hater is just going to hate her even more for this song: points to self as exhibit A. I have never looked up to Beyonce and it's safe to say I'm not bowing down to her just because her ladyship asks me to. Seriously, how delusional can she get and who does she think she is? It's a dangerous type of narcissism when you think everyone likes you, overtly or in secret. Has Mean Girls taught you nothing?

 

I am well aware of the origins of hip hop but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them. I really don't think proclaiming themselves as kings and queens as a method of emancipating their race is what modern rappers are doing. It's just reeling off cliche rap speak that used to have meaning but has become meaningless over time as everyone does it. Now there's rappers calling themselves kings and queens when they've not done any work or earned any accolades to be considered for that role and it does the genre a massive disservice. One of the reasons haters of rap music dislike it is because it can be so self indulgent, materialistic and not relatable to real people. You of all people should know this as you are a Lorde fan. It's sad that Beyonce is slowly getting more and more unrelatable. The more successful she gets, the more she forgets where she came from. I understand that Beyonce has a lot of black female fans who look up to her as a positive role model and I do take socio economic differences and race into account when talking about issues like this. I wish black girls had better role models than Beyonce and Rihanna nowadays. I understand why girls of certain backgrounds say: "Beyonce's just like us" or "Rihanna is so cool," but I wish they could see that there's many mpre inspirational women who came from their background out there (and who actually had to fight to be successful rather than have their careers handed to them on a plate). Yes, there are feminists who like Beyonce, but there are plenty who don't, me included.

 

I'm not saying Beyonce hasn't had success, what I'm saying is that regardless of her success, she doesn't have a right to demand people bow down to her. And no, I don't think men have this right either. My only problem is that Beyonce isn't a queen of anything and I don't know what gives her the idea that she is. But there are male artists who could all be under the understandable impression that they're kings, As such, I may not agree with them bragging about it, but it's not completely delusional. But women in urban music don't have this luxury as most of them peak and then vanish, therefore, the first queen may well be the last. There is no women in urban music who has come close to taking Lil Kim's title because there just aren't enough of them being successful and if they are, it's just one off success that doesn't make an impact.

 

I am not trying to bring women down, I am urging women to be realists. I'm fine with Beyonce bragging about her realistic achievements, but overexaggerating them is crossing the line. Being delusional is not a good look. It's unfortunate that some rap fans believe everything they hear in rap. Just because someone says they're the greatest doesn't mean they are. There is no one on earth who everyone will bow down to without question. Just as Beyonce's fans got her to where she is, her haters did too. The phrase "haters make me famous" really is true. Artists should court that public that made them, not order them what to do and insult them.

 

I am not holding Beyonce to a different standard to white women or am putting her under more scrutiny because she's black. I am critiquing her choices as a human being, so you can stop this talk about race being an issue.

 

Stop using the word "pressed." It's very childish. Pressed is another way of saying 'jealous' and I'm not that.

 

I'm not saying BS opinions, I'm speaking intelligently and I expect to be treated as such. People are just too clouded by their fandom for Beyonce.

 

I was talking about two separate things. There's part of my arguments that are opinions and parts that are facts. When I say Beyonce is over-rated - opinion. When I say Beyonce has stolen songs - fact. You can argue my opinions, but not my facts.

 

If you're asking for facts about shady things Beyonce's done, look up the DC line-up and dismissal controversies, the If I Were A Boy songwriting controversy, the Still In Love (Kissing You) songwriting controversy, the Run The World (Girls) sampling controversy, as well as being "inspired" by other dance moves and live performances, which were nothing more than outright copying. Unbelievably, there are lots of Beyonce fans who defend this.

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I like how the song combines the whole "bow down b---hes" act with that speech excerpt. I think it's clever. She's acting tough the way men usually would, and then the whole feminist part comes in. idk, I think it's a jam.

 

At the end of the day, it's just a song and it's not going to make or break your movement. If Beyonce considers herself a feminist, then she's a feminist. Lately I've been straying away from these labels myself precisely because of the expectations that come with them. How can there be a right way to be a feminist? Just live your life.

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Damm those replies in this thread are like biblical length!  :eek:

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Regardless of who it's directed to, it certainly doesn't fufil its purpose. A hater is just going to hate her even more for this song: points to self as exhibit A. I have never looked up to Beyonce and it's safe to say I'm not bowing down to her just because her ladyship asks me to. Seriously, how delusional can she get and who does she think she is? It's a dangerous type of narcissism when you think everyone likes you, overtly or in secret. Has Mean Girls taught you nothing?

 

I am well aware of the origins of hip hop but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them. I really don't think proclaiming themselves as kings and queens as a method of emancipating their race is what modern rappers are doing. It's just reeling off cliche rap speak that used to have meaning but has become meaningless over time as everyone does it. Now there's rappers calling themselves kings and queens when they've not done any work or earned any accolades to be considered for that role and it does the genre a massive disservice. One of the reasons haters of rap music dislike it is because it can be so self indulgent, materialistic and not relatable to real people. You of all people should know this as you are a Lorde fan. It's sad that Beyonce is slowly getting more and more unrelatable. The more successful she gets, the more she forgets where she came from. I understand that Beyonce has a lot of black female fans who look up to her as a positive role model and I do take socio economic differences and race into account when talking about issues like this. I wish black girls had better role models than Beyonce and Rihanna nowadays. I understand why girls of certain backgrounds say: "Beyonce's just like us" or "Rihanna is so cool," but I wish they could see that there's many mpre inspirational women who came from their background out there (and who actually had to fight to be successful rather than have their careers handed to them on a plate). Yes, there are feminists who like Beyonce, but there are plenty who don't, me included.

 

I'm not saying Beyonce hasn't had success, what I'm saying is that regardless of her success, she doesn't have a right to demand people bow down to her. And no, I don't think men have this right either. My only problem is that Beyonce isn't a queen of anything and I don't know what gives her the idea that she is. But there are male artists who could all be under the understandable impression that they're kings, As such, I may not agree with them bragging about it, but it's not completely delusional. But women in urban music don't have this luxury as most of them peak and then vanish, therefore, the first queen may well be the last. There is no women in urban music who has come close to taking Lil Kim's title because there just aren't enough of them being successful and if they are, it's just one off success that doesn't make an impact.

 

I am not trying to bring women down, I am urging women to be realists. I'm fine with Beyonce bragging about her realistic achievements, but overexaggerating them is crossing the line. Being delusional is not a good look. It's unfortunate that some rap fans believe everything they hear in rap. Just because someone says they're the greatest doesn't mean they are. There is no one on earth who everyone will bow down to without question. Just as Beyonce's fans got her to where she is, her haters did too. The phrase "haters make me famous" really is true. Artists should court that public that made them, not order them what to do and insult them.

 

I am not holding Beyonce to a different standard to white women or am putting her under more scrutiny because she's black. I am critiquing her choices as a human being, so you can stop this talk about race being an issue.

 

Stop using the word "pressed." It's very childish. Pressed is another way of saying 'jealous' and I'm not that.

 

I'm not saying BS opinions, I'm speaking intelligently and I expect to be treated as such. People are just too clouded by their fandom for Beyonce.

 

I was talking about two separate things. There's part of my arguments that are opinions and parts that are facts. When I say Beyonce is over-rated - opinion. When I say Beyonce has stolen songs - fact. You can argue my opinions, but not my facts.

 

If you're asking for facts about shady things Beyonce's done, look up the DC line-up and dismissal controversies, the If I Were A Boy songwriting controversy, the Still In Love (Kissing You) songwriting controversy, the Run The World (Girls) sampling controversy, as well as being "inspired" by other dance moves and live performances, which were nothing more than outright copying. Unbelievably, there are lots of Beyonce fans who defend this.

Honestly this is going nowhere and it is clear that we are going to disagree so this will be the last time I reply.

"Regardless of who it's directed to, it certainly doesn't fulfil its purpose. A hater is just going to hate her even more for this song"

 

I don't think the purpose is to make her haters love her and I don't think she legitimately thinks that all her detractors and competitors are actually going to change their minds, respect her and bow down. It is all Braggadicio and it might not be something you relate to but it is something that a lot of African American girls will understand and that's why it has been praised by womanists and prominent black feminists.

 

"It's a dangerous type of narcissism when you think everyone likes you, overtly or in secret."

 

I don't think that she thinks like that at all. It's certainly not something that is portrayed in this song, it is baraggadicio in a hip-hop song.

"I am well aware of the origins of hip hop but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them. I really don't think proclaiming themselves as kings and queens as a method of emancipating their race is what modern rappers are doing. It's just reeling off cliche rap speak that used to have meaning but has become meaningless over time as everyone does it. Now there's rappers calling themselves kings and queens when they've not done any work or earned any accolades to be considered for that role and it does the genre a massive disservice."

That's not really for you to decide in your position of privilege. You are not a part of hip-hop culture, you are an outsider. You are not a part of the African American community so I don't think you should have much say in what should/does empower them and what does not. I would again recommend that you read what prominent womanist and black feminist blogs have written about Beyonce and her song. I think that in this case, their feelings and insights on the subject are going to be a lot more relevant than any personal thoughts from someone so far removed from their culture. Failing to recognise these cultural/socio economic differences affect your narrow and arbitrary view of feminism is why so many WOC and women of a minority background feel so disillusioned with feminism. This goes for basically most of what you have written so I'm not going to bother quoting everything. Most of what you write goes back to criticising the baraggadicio of the song (and I don't actually remember the last time anyone else, especially a man *cough*, has ever been so harshly criticised for bragging in ****ing hip-hop).

"My only problem is that Beyonce isn't a queen of anything and I don't know what gives her the idea that she is. But there are male artists who could all be under the understandable impression that they're kings, As such, I may not agree with them bragging about it, but it's not completely delusional. But women in urban music don't have this luxury as most of them peak and then vanish"

 

Again, I don't understand how you truly don't recognise how hypocritical it is for you to say that multiple established male hip-hop artists that can call themselves kings and gods but a woman who has had a career spanning 15 years who was part of one of the most successful girl groups of all time and has 5 #1 solo albums to her name can't call herself a queen or king because she still needs to prove herself. You clearly judge and criticise women harder than you criticise men.

 

Don't even try and backtrack and say this is something to do with longevity in urban music (even though I think a 15 year length career shows some longevity). You said that, while you understand why multiple men can be called kings, "The queen of RnB is usually considered to be Mary J, with Mariah vying for the title and Areatha and Etta are considered the queens of soul. Beyonce has tried to be more pop before, but love her or hate her, Madonna's still the queen and she's not shifting, though Britney and Gaga are putting up good fights." There can only be one (or a very limited number) of successful women in their respective fields but the same restrictions don't apply to men.

 

"the reasons haters of rap music dislike it is because it can be so self indulgent, materialistic and not relatable to real people. You of all people should know this as you are a Lorde fan."

Well yeah, Royals was about a 15/16 year old white girl in New Zealand that is far removed from any understanding of US culture yet is constantly exposed to American music and media that seems unrelatable and unattainable to her. That doesn't mean that she thinks rappers should not rap about these things.

I sometimes think the same way about rap music, but when I hear the opinions of people from within the hip-hop community and when I hear what African American people have to say about it and when I know the history and culture that surrounds hip-hop I don't think it would be fair for me to say people shouldn't rap about these things because I personally don't relate.

 

"I am not holding Beyonce to a different standard to white women or am putting her under more scrutiny because she's black. I am critiquing her choices as a human being, so you can stop this talk about race being an issue."

This is more a general statement. As another cultural feminist wrote: “White feminists tend to critique Beyoncé first and foremost for the way she uses her s-xuality as a tool. White feminists also tend to criticize her attitude towards wealth and materialism, along with her bravado and confidence, while there is certainly room for criticism, and major figures like Beyoncé should be criticized, these particular conversations tend to approach any a--lysis from a very white point of view, and don’t consider how the themes of s-xuality, wealth, and confidence differ across communities.†(http://thegrio.com/2013/12/17/is-beyonce-a-feminist-icon-new-album-reignites-debate-between-black-and-white-feminists/)

I think that basically sums up why I dismiss your argument that Beyonce's song isn't feminist. You approach the subject from a very narrow view of what feminism is and continue to spread this "Solidarity is for white women" idea that has turned off so many women of colour. You come from a perspective of privilege and don't try to understand why songs like these resonate with another culture or community, their feelings are invalid.

"Stop using the word "pressed." It's very childish. Pressed is another way of saying 'jealous' and I'm not that."

 

You do sound pressed though. Not necessarily because you want to be like her, maybe because her record sales are so impressive? Maybe because so many others seem to like her even though you don't? 

"I'm not saying BS opinions, I'm speaking intelligently and I expect to be treated as such. People are just too clouded by their fandom for Beyonce."

*cough* pretentious *cough*. I think you are actually speaking from quite an ignorant pov and I'm not even a Beyonce stan. I own her new album, I own 4 and I own various random Beyonce and DC songs. I didn't even see her in concert, didn't even try to get tickets, and I live in Western Australia where Beyonce broke records for her tour! It just so happens that I disagree with the content of what you are saying.

 

"If you're asking for facts about shady things Beyonce's done, look up the DC line-up and dismissal controversies, the If I Were A Boy songwriting controversy, the Still In Love (Kissing You) songwriting controversy, the Run The World (Girls) sampling controversy, as well as being "inspired" by other dance moves and live performances, which were nothing more than outright copying. Unbelievably, there are lots of Beyonce fans who defend this."

Umm no actually, I'm not asking for any of these things. I was pretty happy discussing Beyonce's feminism in Bow Down but you seem to be so obsessed with making people dislike Beyonce. It doesn't help you look any less pressed.

 

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I think I'ma watch Madonna watch this @Beyonce show in Brooklyn. Yep. She's here right behind me.

 

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