Madonna kisses Drake on stage (and he liked it)

[ChicaSkas 22,943]

they all shouldn't be bashing her because of her age... In our current society , (decline and fall of the American empire aside) it's become fashionable for older women to embrace their s-xuality and desires in a more public and forward way that would have been unheard of just a few generations back.

I think she did this to be daring and avant garde and "Bet you didn't expect me to take advantage of this hot young man here, but guess what, I did and I still can, so deal with it!"

The Los Angeles Times actually wrote an article about this smooch in the paper today... Amazing the surprise it seems to have generated!

 

[ChicaSkas 22,943]

Not to mention, as soon as a younger person hooks up with a much older person, their potential is practically ended and they can't live a life like someone their own age. So many young women think dating an older man is brilliant when the first few months are all fancy dinners and shopping sprees but after a couple of years, all he wants to do is sit in the front of the tv in his slippers leaving her bored out her mind everyday. Don't get why you'd voluntarily enter such a lifestyle.

 

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No offense to you, but this is a completely incorrect stereotype. You are writing off every single older man you can think of in those sentences.

I happen to know first hand that this theory simply doesn't apply in ALL situations. If the man wants to be living life, and getting out there and DOING things, it doesn't matter. Not all older men can supply fancy dinners or shopping sprees, but it's the companionship, the friendship, the sheer relationship that matters. The s-x certainly doesn't hurt either, I'd take experience over an amateur any day of the week. Also, more intelligent young women may see little if any appeal in the young punks around the usual bars and clubs. An older man offers stability, actual discussion, and usually, the older man already has his life in a secure place, not going from one apartment to the next or not knowing where his next job is.

Just saying, no shade, every situation/relationship is different. I'm all for May December romances :) 

 

[Kayla 7,595]

​I've said twice now that homos-xual relationships are fine because the attraction is understandable and the partnership is still productive.

Adult animals don't mate with children or elders. They know the age differences just from sight and instinct (in animals, it's all about generations rather than ages, obviously). You don't see an adult animal pursuing an infant nor do you see a animal who's just reached adulthood chasing after an elder who's near the end of their life. No, we're not totally like animals and I'm not saying we should copy everything animals do but there is definitely some things that they've got right that we've got twisted. While procreation may not be necessary for us, it's still something that keeps our species going and this isn't going to be possible if age gap relationships continue. Not to mention, as soon as a younger person hooks up with a much older person, their potential is practically ended and they can't live a life like someone their own age. So many young women think dating an older man is brilliant when the first few months are all fancy dinners and shopping sprees but after a couple of years, all he wants to do is sit in the front of the tv in his slippers leaving her bored out her mind everyday. Don't get why you'd voluntarily enter such a lifestyle.

 

​Surely one of the fundamental parts of a relationship is having it last a long time? No point entering into a relationship that you know for a fact will be short-lived. Short-lived relationships are only ideal if you're not into the idea of romance. But if you are, the idea is to make it last forever. Homos-xual relationships have the potential to last forever, age gap relationships don't. So, what is the advantages of being in an age gap relationship? Name one.

I'm not being narrow minded, I'm trying to make people realise the very true difficulties of age gap relationships and how they rarely work. Just telling it like it is. It's harsh but true. I'm doing it out of genuine concern. Just because I stated my personal ideals doesn't mean I think everyone should follow them too. I was just trying to give a depiction of how a relationship can flourish to its fullest and be the most advantageous for both parties.

​Procreation is not going to become an issue if age-gap relationships continue. We already have more humans than this planet can sustainably handle at our current capacity- and we're still growing. Fearing procreation over a very small percentage of the population being attracted to people outside of their age bracket is a stretch. If anything, we should be supporting relationships that limit procreation, especially when some states are finding they don't have enough water to support the population. 

We've actually gone beyond the earth's carrying capacity which is detrimental to a species- if you want to talk about what's "natural" and how things work in nature, typically when a population gets too large it runs out of territory, food, etc. and the animals are left starving or unable to procreate due to lack of resources. If people should take note of anything that happens in nature and apply it to their own lives, it's that. 

The chances of an age-gap relationship failing are much greater than a relationship where people are closer in age, that is true. They also bring up a lot more difficulties, which become greater as the couples grow in age.
I personally could be attracted to a person older than me (in fact, I have been and we are quite wonderful together- he's a great friend of my husband and I, and we both think very highly of him; the three of us have agreed there is a form of love between us that goes beyond friendship), but I also agree that I would never want to be in a long-term relationship with him because of the problems our age differences would instigate decades down the road (and of course because my husband is my Numero Uno :) ).

I also agree that if it would have been an older man making out with a younger woman like this we'd be calling it creepy and predatory (like if Mick Jagger would have done it to Taylor Swift), and I find it ridiculous that people aren't calling this situation out for s-xual assault. It's unacceptable to just make out with someone without getting their consent, and the position Drake was in was very vulnerable- sitting on a chair, in front of an audience, caught by surprise- and it's not like his reaction was very promising. Then saying his response was do to her lip-gloss/stick? I feel most performers would be able to maintain their composure on stage over something like that for the sake of maintaining the show's appeal if that was the only issue....

 

 

[Didymus 34,379]

Unbelievable I come in here and I'm reading scientific mini essays.

Love it.

[Yanko 9,860]

all i can say is MADONNA HER IMPACT   can you help me write essays too? i suck at it

[jtrover 42]

Madonna is not a typical 56 year old - not that age should even matter. She's never lived a conventional life, so why should she start now? She kissed Drake, it's not like she sat on his face.  I'm surprised this even made news. There must be a lull in current events. I don't find this s-xual assault either. She kissed him. I don't think nobody has ever asked me for "permission" before they kissed me in my entire life. Sex is a whole different story - just my opinion. 

I think this whole controversy says more about society than it does about Madonna to be honest. You can't put Madonna on the same level as other "conventional" 56 year olds. She's no better or worse, she's just different. My mother and grandmothers never did the things Madonna ever did in her 50's... or 40's, or 30's, or 20's... They lived conventional lives, and that's great. But there's nothing wrong with being different either. I also don't think Madonna does anything because she feels she has to. She does things because she wants to. She has nothing to prove and she knows it. She is just living her life. What I appreciate about her is that she always has something to say. 

I think the ultimate message Madonna is trying to send is that you can still have a good time at any age. You can look good, have fun and be an individual. History wise, whenever people have told Madonna she shouldn't or couldn't do something, she just goes even more head-on with it. The Sex book, the outfits, the grills, etc. 

Its interesting to me to see Madonna get slapped (figuratively) by society all these years and then watch following generations have an easier time with such obstacles. 

I'm 37 years old. Do I dress and act more like a typical 37 year old? Yes, but I live more of a conventional life than she does. That said, I think everyone should have the freedom to be as they wish. I don't think age should matter. When she was my age, she was getting ready to film a movie about Eva Peron. I serve tables. To each their own. Just live YOUR life.

[zack 15]

No need to be so dramatic. Would I be a Gaga fan if I was against the gays? Of course I'm fine with gay relationships, for reasons explained above. As long as a relationship has the capacity to be long-lasting, it's worthwhile. Age gaps, however, are a whole different kettle of fish as they go against one of the most fundamental parts of relationships: a long lifespan.

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The Fault Is In Our Stars would only have lasted 3 pages if it was written by you. Lol, you're sad.

[Spanish Eyes 2,279]

Madonna is not a typical 56 year old - not that age should even matter. She's never lived a conventional life, so why should she start now? She kissed Drake, it's not like she sat on his face.  I'm surprised this even made news. There must be a lull in current events. I don't find this s-xual assault either. She kissed him. I don't think nobody has ever asked me for "permission" before they kissed me in my entire life. Sex is a whole different story - just my opinion. 

I think this whole controversy says more about society than it does about Madonna to be honest. You can't put Madonna on the same level as other "conventional" 56 year olds. She's no better or worse, she's just different. My mother and grandmothers never did the things Madonna ever did in her 50's... or 40's, or 30's, or 20's... They lived conventional lives, and that's great. But there's nothing wrong with being different either. I also don't think Madonna does anything because she feels she has to. She does things because she wants to. She has nothing to prove and she knows it. She is just living her life. What I appreciate about her is that she always has something to say. 

I think the ultimate message Madonna is trying to send is that you can still have a good time at any age. You can look good, have fun and be an individual. History wise, whenever people have told Madonna she shouldn't or couldn't do something, she just goes even more head-on with it. The Sex book, the outfits, the grills, etc. 

Its interesting to me to see Madonna get slapped (figuratively) by society all these years and then watch following generations have an easier time with such obstacles. 

I'm 37 years old. Do I dress and act more like a typical 37 year old? Yes, but I live more of a conventional life than she does. That said, I think everyone should have the freedom to be as they wish. I don't think age should matter. When she was my age, she was getting ready to film a movie about Eva Peron. I serve tables. To each their own. Just live YOUR life.

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This post needs to be read and reread by everyone being a **** towards Madonna for this.

[SweetEscape 654]

she tries too hard to be relevant :rip: 

[StrawberryBlond 14,777]

​Reproduction and the fairy tale myth of eternal love may be driving factors in what you personally are looking for in a relationship, but not everyone else is looking for those things. That doesn't mean their relationship is less valid then yours. 

The "advantage" of a person who is s-xually attracted to older individuals entering into a relationship where there is an age-gap is the fulfillment of their personal desires. The satisfaction and joy they would attain by being in that "unnatural" relationship is the "advantage." 

You seem to have a very limited view of romance, love, and relationships. I don't know if there is anything I can say to change that. Read a little more and experience a little more, and hopefully you will develop a less myopic view of what it means to be in a fulfilling relationship.

​That's why i said my ideals were based on someone who wants romance and monogamy. Obviously, age gaps don't matter if you just want s-x and/or open relationships. But if you're looking for long lasting love, it's not the best option, is what I'm saying.

I think it would have to be defined a bit better than a fufilment of their personal desires. I don't know what someone looks to gain out of a relationship with such a generational gap. It's no wonder that the stereotype exists of women getting married to men decades older than themselves are just after his money.

Really, I don't have a limited view. I just like to think I have a very realistic view. I think being with someone who is your age, on your level, has the same life expectancy as you is crucial in having a great relationship. And I just don't see how the opposite of those things could be fulfilling.

​Writing thousands of long-ass essays will not make your opinion a science. You need to stop, seriously embarrasing yourself by being yet again so narrow-minded!

​And disliking someone because they show intelligence and research by making long posts makes your opinion valid, right? I never said my opinion was a science. I said it was partly based off science.

​No offense to you, but this is a completely incorrect stereotype. You are writing off every single older man you can think of in those sentences.

I happen to know first hand that this theory simply doesn't apply in ALL situations. If the man wants to be living life, and getting out there and DOING things, it doesn't matter. Not all older men can supply fancy dinners or shopping sprees, but it's the companionship, the friendship, the sheer relationship that matters. The s-x certainly doesn't hurt either, I'd take experience over an amateur any day of the week. Also, more intelligent young women may see little if any appeal in the young punks around the usual bars and clubs. An older man offers stability, actual discussion, and usually, the older man already has his life in a secure place, not going from one apartment to the next or not knowing where his next job is.

Just saying, no shade, every situation/relationship is different. I'm all for May December romances :) 

​I didn't say it was true in all cases. But I've heard countless cases all the same. It stands to reason: when you reach elderly age, you do become more reserved in lots of ways and don't want over-exertion. Also note that I'm not meaning men in the 40's/50's will be like this. But men aged 60 and older, retirement age do go like this.

See, I have difficulty imagining how a relationship with someone much older wouldn't feel like being with a dad or uncle. It would remind me too much of things they do. No matter how nice older men have been, I've never felt like actually being with them as it's simply too much like having a relationship with say, my favourite uncle. Meaning s-x would feel weird. I referred to the dinners and shopping sprees as this is a big reason behind why a lot of women like dating older men - their gentlemanly nature and generosity. They think it's going to last forever, unfortunately. I personally find it a stereotype that all young men are unintelligent and can't hold a conversation. The problem with dating older is that he seems to know more than you and you feel inferior in comparison and I wouldn't want that feeling. He may be in a more secure financial place, but money can be here today, gone tomorrow and it's quite a superficial reason to start a relationship. At the end of the day, I feel like anyone looking for a much younger partner isn't looking for their equal. They want someone who they can feel superior to in age, intelligence, finances, experience. Older women who want younger men seem to have quite the dominatrix streak about them and older men looking for young women can be rather s-xist and just want a pretty young thing on their arm who they hope will serve and care for them. I have no doubt that Madonna dates young men so she can feel like she's the one in control. Isn't it best to find someone who's as close to being your equal in order to have a fair relationship?

​Procreation is not going to become an issue if age-gap relationships continue. We already have more humans than this planet can sustainably handle at our current capacity- and we're still growing. Fearing procreation over a very small percentage of the population being attracted to people outside of their age bracket is a stretch. If anything, we should be supporting relationships that limit procreation, especially when some states are finding they don't have enough water to support the population. 

We've actually gone beyond the earth's carrying capacity which is detrimental to a species- if you want to talk about what's "natural" and how things work in nature, typically when a population gets too large it runs out of territory, food, etc. and the animals are left starving or unable to procreate due to lack of resources. If people should take note of anything that happens in nature and apply it to their own lives, it's that. 

The chances of an age-gap relationship failing are much greater than a relationship where people are closer in age, that is true. They also bring up a lot more difficulties, which become greater as the couples grow in age.
I personally could be attracted to a person older than me (in fact, I have been and we are quite wonderful together- he's a great friend of my husband and I, and we both think very highly of him; the three of us have agreed there is a form of love between us that goes beyond friendship), but I also agree that I would never want to be in a long-term relationship with him because of the problems our age differences would instigate decades down the road (and of course because my husband is my Numero Uno :) ).

I also agree that if it would have been an older man making out with a younger woman like this we'd be calling it creepy and predatory (like if Mick Jagger would have done it to Taylor Swift), and I find it ridiculous that people aren't calling this situation out for s-xual assault. It's unacceptable to just make out with someone without getting their consent, and the position Drake was in was very vulnerable- sitting on a chair, in front of an audience, caught by surprise- and it's not like his reaction was very promising. Then saying his response was do to her lip-gloss/stick? I feel most performers would be able to maintain their composure on stage over something like that for the sake of maintaining the show's appeal if that was the only issue...

​You make very good points about over population and overuse of the planet's resources. I get that. I'm just approaching it from a general perspective, not taking that kind of thing into account. Just what feels generally natural.

Please refer to my reply above for further reasons why I have an issue with age gaps. I think it's fine to have friendships with older people as friendship has no age limit but spending your whole life with someone as your equal in life just won't work if it goes further. I just feel like age gaps are just so accepted to the point where much older people genuinely think they have a chance with much younger people and end up making them feel very uncomfortable in the process. Take it from someone who's had many a 50+ year old practically drooling over her. It's creepy and revolting. It's just so unfair because that's the most attention I seem to get. No young man my own age seems to give me a second look. And the ones that do are the ones you wouldn't want to meet down a dark alley.

The Fault Is In Our Stars would only have lasted 3 pages if it was written by you. Lol, you're sad.

It's different if you're both going to die, of course. And you are rude.

[LoveandMagic 1,731]

I don't think this would have been that big of a deal if it wasn't for his reaction afterward. I think she was just caught up in the moment and reacted. Based on what he tweeted, I think he would have been on board with it if she had said something to him prior. It looks like he was caught completely off guard and confused. Unfortunately he was filmed making that face (which I think may be more due to breathing all that nasty smoke - it looked to me like he caught a big whiff of it) and this is the outcome. 

All I am saying is that if I was performing, and someone did that to me, I would hope they would let me know ahead of time. 

[daviddarko 144]

[Kayla 7,595]

 

​That's why i said my ideals were based on someone who wants romance and monogamy. Obviously, age gaps don't matter if you just want s-x and/or open relationships. But if you're looking for long lasting love, it's not the best option, is what I'm saying.

I think it would have to be defined a bit better than a fufilment of their personal desires. I don't know what someone looks to gain out of a relationship with such a generational gap. It's no wonder that the stereotype exists of women getting married to men decades older than themselves are just after his money.

Really, I don't have a limited view. I just like to think I have a very realistic view. I think being with someone who is your age, on your level, has the same life expectancy as you is crucial in having a great relationship. And I just don't see how the opposite of those things could be fulfilling.

 

​And disliking someone because they show intelligence and research by making long posts makes your opinion valid, right? I never said my opinion was a science. I said it was partly based off science.

 

​I didn't say it was true in all cases. But I've heard countless cases all the same. It stands to reason: when you reach elderly age, you do become more reserved in lots of ways and don't want over-exertion. Also note that I'm not meaning men in the 40's/50's will be like this. But men aged 60 and older, retirement age do go like this.

See, I have difficulty imagining how a relationship with someone much older wouldn't feel like being with a dad or uncle. It would remind me too much of things they do. No matter how nice older men have been, I've never felt like actually being with them as it's simply too much like having a relationship with say, my favourite uncle. Meaning s-x would feel weird. I referred to the dinners and shopping sprees as this is a big reason behind why a lot of women like dating older men - their gentlemanly nature and generosity. They think it's going to last forever, unfortunately. I personally find it a stereotype that all young men are unintelligent and can't hold a conversation. The problem with dating older is that he seems to know more than you and you feel inferior in comparison and I wouldn't want that feeling. He may be in a more secure financial place, but money can be here today, gone tomorrow and it's quite a superficial reason to start a relationship. At the end of the day, I feel like anyone looking for a much younger partner isn't looking for their equal. They want someone who they can feel superior to in age, intelligence, finances, experience. Older women who want younger men seem to have quite the dominatrix streak about them and older men looking for young women can be rather s-xist and just want a pretty young thing on their arm who they hope will serve and care for them. I have no doubt that Madonna dates young men so she can feel like she's the one in control. Isn't it best to find someone who's as close to being your equal in order to have a fair relationship?

 

​You make very good points about over population and overuse of the planet's resources. I get that. I'm just approaching it from a general perspective, not taking that kind of thing into account. Just what feels generally natural.

Please refer to my reply above for further reasons why I have an issue with age gaps. I think it's fine to have friendships with older people as friendship has no age limit but spending your whole life with someone as your equal in life just won't work if it goes further. I just feel like age gaps are just so accepted to the point where much older people genuinely think they have a chance with much younger people and end up making them feel very uncomfortable in the process. Take it from someone who's had many a 50+ year old practically drooling over her. It's creepy and revolting. It's just so unfair because that's the most attention I seem to get. No young man my own age seems to give me a second look. And the ones that do are the ones you wouldn't want to meet down a dark alley.

It's different if you're both going to die, of course. And you are rude.

​I would agree that if you're looking for long-term and monogamy that a relationship with a large age gap could be troublesome. I would personally say 10 years would be the maximum (as long as both members are consenting adults, of course).
Statistics show this too- the chance of divorce increases dramatically as the age-gap increases. This doesn't mean EVERY age-gap relationship is doomed to fail, it just means that the ones which succeed are a rarity.
I don't necessarily think that should be a total deterrent if someone is in love, but I also think those people need to think long and hard about their future- I know I wouldn't want to be married to someone turning 70 while I'm turning 50, much as I might hate to let that person go.
People stay in relationships and leave relationships for all sorts of reasons- they just need to think about what's worth it. 

I get what you're saying, I mostly just had an issue with the procreation side of it (because I think people need to slow the hell down with their baby-making).

 

Totally sucks about how you're hit on, though.  I've gotten hit on like that from guys in multiple age groups and it's always annoying. But it's mostly young guys who drive by honking and yelling "HEY GIRL!", and that's my LEAST favorite....

[StrawberryBlond 14,777]

​I would agree that if you're looking for long-term and monogamy that a relationship with a large age gap could be troublesome. I would personally say 10 years would be the maximum (as long as both members are consenting adults, of course).Statistics show this too- the chance of divorce increases dramatically as the age-gap increases. This doesn't mean EVERY age-gap relationship is doomed to fail, it just means that the ones which succeed are a rarity.
I don't necessarily think that should be a total deterrent if someone is in love, but I also think those people need to think long and hard about their future- I know I wouldn't want to be married to someone turning 70 while I'm turning 50, much as I might hate to let that person go.
People stay in relationships and leave relationships for all sorts of reasons- they just need to think about what's worth it. 

I get what you're saying, I mostly just had an issue with the procreation side of it (because I think people need to slow the hell down with their baby-making).

 

Totally sucks about how you're hit on, though.  I've gotten hit on like that from guys in multiple age groups and it's always annoying. But it's mostly young guys who drive by honking and yelling "HEY GIRL!", and that's my LEAST favorite....

​10 years would be the limit too, I think. Me personally, I'd prefer 5 years, but I'm open to the standards of others that are in a 10 year frame. But any more than 10 years is entering a new generation and with that comes different expectations. Having family who were mostly born around the 50's/60's, I've witnessed how big of a role s-xism and racism still survives under the surface due to how they were brought up. I don't want to date someone who could still be harbouring those ideals. And having a family of such an advanced age has also showed me how men and women change as they get older. My mum and aunts on both sides all have husbands in their 40's/50's/60's who are stubborn about one thing or another and are getting increasingly grumpy and irritable. I witness it so much that sometimes I feel like one of the long suffering wives at the grand old age of 25. There's no way I'm dealing with that stage of a man's life at my young age. I'd rather go through my "change of life" at the same time my man is. I sometimes think women who like to date older men have never really witnessed many older men growing up and have this fantasy of them being sauve gentlemen. In reality, dealing with a grumpy old man is one of the biggest gripes women have once they reach a certain age.

I can't imagine what is must be like expecting your lover to go years before you. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night with worry. There's too much uncertainty and as someone who's naturally very anxious, I like security. About procreation, I'm not encouraging every couple to have children, I'm actually suggesting that people with big age gaps refrain from it. I think it's downright irresponsible and unfair on the child and don't see why anyone would want to do this in the first place. My parents are 64 and 65 (had me later in life) and I'm very aware of their mortality these days. I'd be extra worried if one of them was 65 and the other was 85. After seeing my grandmother die recently at 89, it's really hit me how we don't have long on this earth. You need to spend it wisely with someone who can follow you right through life.

Oh, I wish I could get attention like that from young guys. Men online (and always the American ones!) are the only ones who seem to like me but in real life, it doesn't go beyond friendship. Sometimes feel like I was born on the wrong continent as all the interest comes from across the pond. So, it's pretty frustrating when a man old enough to be my dad starts ogling me. Ironic considering my feelings about it all.

[SKANK 14,288]

 

Really, I don't have a limited view. I just like to think I have a very realistic view. I think being with someone who is your age, on your level, has the same life expectancy as you is crucial in having a great relationship. And I just don't see how the opposite of those things could be fulfilling.

 

Mary: I don't consider the age and life expectancy of my partner to be important. I am able to be in a fulfilling relationship regardless of my partners age. 

Sue: I consider the age and life expectancy of my partner to be important. I am only able to be in a fulfilling relationship if my partner is similar in age. 

Sue and Mary hold different but equally valid criteria for their prospective partners. Sue's relationship is not any more fulfilling then Mary's relationship.They are just different. 

I have met people in intergenerational relationships that are content and fulfilled. I have met people in same-age relationships that are content and fulfilled. Both exist. Both are valid. 

 

I'm sure you are a lovely person StrawberryBlond, but right now you are being judgmental and narrow minded. I have explain myself thoroughly, but you seem to be lacking the empathetic intelligence to understand or care. So this my last reply. There are lots of examples of successful intergenerational relationships in art and culture, check them out if you are interested in expanding your point of view.