Iran militia chief: Erase Israel off the map

[Melech 9,900]

Ross: So no, you are wrong Mrs. Lego, most Jews can trace their heritage back to Israel unless someone in their bloodline were converts. 

 

 

 

 

​Those pictures don't prove anything. 

" In August 2012, Dr. Harry Ostrer in his book Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People, summarized his and other work in genetics of the last 20 years, and concluded that all major Jewish groups share a common Middle Eastern origin. "

"Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html?_r=0

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​Those pictures don't prove anything. 

" In August 2012, Dr. Harry Ostrer in his book Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People, summarized his and other work in genetics of the last 20 years, and concluded that all major Jewish groups share a common Middle Eastern origin. "

"Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East share many genes inherited from the ancestral Jewish population that lived in the Middle East some 3,000 years ago, even though each community also carries genes from other sources — usually the country in which it lives."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html?_r=0

Check the spoiler.

[Melech 9,900]

Check the spoiler.

​Those things are highly dated and highly anti-semit. 

[lego 44,165]

​Those things are highly dated and highly anti-semit. 

Jewish Encyclopedia and Jewish authors and historians are all anti-semitic. Sure Jan.

The fact that you believe that a Russian Jew and Ethiopian Jew are both descendants of Abraham. 

 

[Melech 9,900]

Jewish Encyclopedia and Jewish authors and historians are all anti-semitic. Sure Jan.

The fact that you believe that a Russian Jew and Ethiopian Jew are both descendants of Abraham. 

 

​Yes, I do believe. I also don't know how it matters to this discussion 

[lego 44,165]

Ross: Another reason why they won't leave the Jews alone is because of Jerusalem. They think that the al-Aqsa mosque (Dome of the Rock) was the mosque named in the Qu'ran, in which Muhammed dreamed about his journey to the heavens and had a conference with the other prophets. This is FALSE. When Israel was overtaken by the Byzantine Empire (Romans), the Romans built a Catholic Church right on the remains of the second Jewish temple at Temple Mount. When the Byzantine Empire declined, and the Islamic Caliphate empire began growing, Omar Caliph overtook Israel. He destroyed the Christian Catholic church imagery on the building, removed the roof, and added an onion-like dome-shaped roof to convert it into a mosque. Omar then renamed the church to "al-Aqsa" mosque, which means "furthest" or "remotest" mosque in arabic, to match the mosque named that in the Qur'an to make it seem like Muhammed rose to heaven in that exact area. Again,this is FALSE. How is it that Muhammed rose to heaven in a building built 80 years after he died? 

 

In the period of time when no Jews were allowed to live in the city, the mainly Roman inhabitants used the area of the masjid as a garbage dump. When Caliph Umar liberated the city, he cleared the trash with his bare hands. He also ended the centuries-old exile of the Jews and invited 70 families of a nearby refugee village back into Jerusalem giving them the right to return after centuries in exile – a favour that Arab cousins seem to have forgotten.

When the first Crusaders took Jerusalem, they found the majority of the Muslim population locked up in masjid Al Aqsa. They slaughtered roughly 70,000 of them and then converted the Qibly masjid into a palace, the Dome of the Rock into a chapel, and the underground chambers into a stable. Muslims who survived the initial massacre were later crucified on a large cross placed near the centre of the masjid. This was the only cross that was broken by the Salahuddin. The base of the cross can still be seen there today.

The Arab grammarians classify masjid as "ism makan", i.e., "name of location"; it indicates the place where an action takes place. Masjid being derived from the root sa-ja-da (to prostrate), it means "place of prostration". Since a place of worship is a place where believers prostrate to God, "masjid" is a general term to designate any place of worship without any religious distinction. Later, this word was used to designate Islamic places of worship in particular, i.e., the mosques.

A Masjid does not have to be a building decorated with arts and standing on strong pillars.  It can be an area of worship where it is surrounded by boundaries; whether it is small walls or stones gathered by men.  

There are many other examples of early mosques from Negev region that are nothing but a few stones arranged to mark the mihrab.

Besor mosque, The Qiblah

Modern Bedouin open mosque in Transjordan

Mosque at Nahal Oded with the upright stone showing the direction of the qibla.

 

  

 

[lego 44,165]

Ross: After the Caliphate invaded and occupied those countries, the Ottoman Empire then took over after and spread islam even further
The turks were just as brutal and cruel as the arabs were, by using forced conversions onto the people they conquered. That is why Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo are muslim countries today; same with Circcasia and Chechnya.
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Maybe 0.1 people die each day to islam currently, but what about the past?
Do you know how many people the arabs murdered and raped, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, during their conquests for the caliphate and spread of islam?

 

It's interesting how you talk about religious wars in past, but conveniently ''forget' to mention two Crusades (when Christians massacred hundreds of thousands of Muslims, Jews and ME Christians) and the Western colonization, how peacefully you think Christianity was spread in Africa? But let's stay silent about that because in present day new born Christians are loud supporters of Zionists and Israel.;)

You are talking about mass forced conversions without evidence, Ottomans had over 500 years to forcefully convert the Balkans, yet old churches are preserved and Muslims there are minority. And lets not forget to mention Israel's role and support of Serbs in genocide of Bosnian Muslims in the '90s.

Are you unaware or uninformed of the Golden age of Jewish culture under Muslim rule in Islamic Spain? Later Ottoman Caliphate offered safe haven to the Jews from Christian persecution (Spanish Inquisition).

Sultan Bayezid II sent Kemal Reis to save the Sephardic Jews of Spain from the Spanish Inquisition in 1492 and granted them permission to settle in the Ottoman Empire. 

 

When the Ottoman Turks liberated Bursa in 1324 from the oppressive yoke of the Byzantine Empire, they discovered a heavily oppressed Jewish community. The Jews of Bursa treated the Ottoman Turks as their saviors. Sultan Orhan gave the Jews who previously couldn’t build synagogues permission to build the Etz Ha-Hayyim (Tree of Life) Synagogue. Indeed, the liberation of the Jews of Bursa in 1324 from the tyranny of the Byzantines represented the beginning of the Turkish-Jewish friendship.

Starting in the early 14th century, Jews fleeing oppression began to settle in the Ottoman Empire. Ottoman Turkey became the home to Jews expelled from Hungary in 1376, from France in 1394, and from Sicily in the early 15th century. In the 1420’s, Jews living under Venetian controlled Salonika also migrated to the Ottoman Empire. In 1453, Sultan Mehmet II started to actively encourage Jews to settle in Ottoman lands. He issued a proclamation to all Jews stating, “Who among you of all my people that is with me, may his G-d he with him, let him ascend to Istanbul, the site of my imperial throne. Let him dwell in the best of the land, each beneath his vine and beneath his fig tree, with silver and with gold, with wealth and with cattle. Let him dwell in the land, trade in it, and take possession of it.”

This statement was issued at a time when Jews across Europe were in great distress due to the persecutions they endured and were greatly in need of a safe haven. Rabbi Yitzhak Safarti sent out a letter to the Jewish communities of Europe soon after the Byzantine Empire collapsed completely in 1453, “inviting his co-religionists to leave the torments that they were enduring in Christendom and to seek safety and prosperity in Turkey.” Not too long after this letter was sent, in 1492, Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand of Spain expelled the Jews from their country, which along with the Spanish Inquisition that followed it was arguably one of the most traumatic events in Jewish history prior to the Holocaust.

That same year, Sultan Bayazid II issued a proclamation ordering his officials to accept the Sephardic Jews into his country. Around 250,000 Jews came to settle in Ottoman lands, with most heading towards Istanbul and Salonika, which absorbed a total of 100,000 Jews. Immanual Aboab claimed that Bayazid II asserted that “the Catholic monarch Ferdinand was wrongly considered as wise, since he impoverished Spain by the expulsion of the Jews, and enriched Turkey.”

Interestingly, it was the Sephardic Jews who introduced the printing press into the Ottoman Empire. Sephardic Jews whose ancestors were at the center of the Golden Age of Spain recreated a new golden age within Ottoman lands. Rabbi Joseph Caro wrote the Shulchan Aruch, the standard code of Jewish law in Safed, Israel, under Ottoman Turkish rule. The Lekhah Dodi prayer which Jews to date traditionally sing in the Friday evening synagogue services around the world, was composed in medieval Israel by Rabbi Shlomo Alkabetz under Ottoman Turkish rule. Joseph Nasi was appointed Duke of Naxos, while Aluaro Mandes was named Duke of Mytylene and Salamon ben Nathan Eskenazi arranged the first diplomatic ties between the Ottoman Turks and the British Empire.

Wealthy Sephardic Jews such as Dona Gracia Mendes Nasi financed the Ottoman Turkish sultan. In return for the contributions of Dana Gracia Mendes Nasi to the Ottoman Empire, the Ottoman Sultan offered the Jewish people the city of Tiberius for an independent city state under Ottoman tutelage. Despite local Arab and French opposition, Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent continued to support the project.

According to Andree Aelion Brooks’ The Woman Who Defied Kings: the Life and Times of Dona Gracia Nasi, “In Tiberius, the newcomers were soon taking over abandoned structures, renovating deserted houses, restoring gaping roofs, clearing the rubble and quarreling in typical Jewish fashion. By 1564 the revival was sufficiently far along that yet another traveler recalled that the scent from the date palm, orange and pine trees was so overpowering that it was almost suffocating. Yet another talked effusively of a wilderness turned into a Garden of Eden. Almost all of the residents, noted one of these travelers, were former conversos from Spain and Portugal!”

As the historian Stanford Shaw wrote in Jews, Turks, and Ottomans: Fifteenth through Twentieth Century, “The Ottoman Empire had for centuries provided a safe haven for Jewish refugees from Europe. The large-scale migrations of Jews from Spain, Portugal, and other European countries in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries are well known and have been discussed in detail. However, later Jewish population movements to the Ottoman Empire are less well known. Still, over the years, many European Jews individually or in small groups continued to settle in Ottoman dominions for political, economic, or religious reasons. In the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, the influx of Jewish refugees into the shrinking Ottoman lands rose again. This time, the migration was mainly caused by persecution in the newly independent Balkan states.”

Mark Mazower, writing in Salonica: City of Ghosts, that the Jews of Salonikka did not want the Ottoman Turks to leave the city and were opposed to Greek rule. “Few Jews believed they would be better off in one of the Christian successor states than they were in an empire where their loyalty made them trusted and none can have thought that Salonica in particular----the city they dominated----would develop to their benefit if it became part of Greece or Bulgaria. The rise of Balkan nationalism thus increased the intensity of the Jews identification with the Ottoman state,” he wrote.

Even when blood libels did arise within the Ottoman Empire, such as the infamous Damascus Blood Libel of 1840, it was the local Christians rather than the Ottoman Turks who instigated them. Following the Damascus Blood Libel, Sultan Abdelmecid issued an edict to forbid blood libels within the Ottoman Empire. Sultan Abdelmecid asserted, “For the love we bear to our subjects, we cannot permit the Jewish nation, whose innocence for the crime alleged against them is evident, to be worried and tormented as a consequence of accusations which have not the least foundation in truth.”

Given this history, it is hard not to have nostalgia for the Ottoman Empire. It represented a time period in history when Jews and Muslims worked and thrived together for the greater good. It was a time of peace, tranquility, and serenity regarding Jewish-Turkish relations. Many modern Turks also have nostalgia for this period in history. Let’s hope that one day Turkish-Jewish relations can return to this.

http://www.jerusalemonline.com/israel-history/ottoman-empire-a-safe-haven-for-jewish-refugees-5797

 

During the tragic days of World War II, Turkey managed to maintain its neutrality. As early as 1933 Ataturk invited numbers of prominent German Jewish professors to flee Nazi Germany and settle in Turkey. Before and during the war years, these scholars contributed a great deal to the development of the Turkish university system. 

During World War II, Turkey served as a safe passage for many Jews fleeing the horrors of the Nazism. While the Jewish communities of Greece were wiped out almost completely by Hitler, the Turkish Jews remained secure. 

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Turkey.html

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And when will you talk about bloody history of Zionist terrorism?

The Deir Yassin Massacre of Palestinians by Jewish soldiers

“For the entire day of April 9, 1948, Irgun and LEHI soldiers carried out the slaughter in a cold and premeditated fashion...The attackers ‘lined men, women and children up against the walls and shot them,’...The ruthlessness of the attack on Deir Yassin shocked Jewish and world opinion alike, drove fear and panic into the Arab population, and led to the flight of unarmed civilians from their homes all over the country.” Israeli author, Simha Flapan, “The Birth of Israel.”

Was Deir Yassin the only act of its kind?

“By 1948, the Jew was not only able to ‘defend himself’ but to commit massive atrocities as well. Indeed, according to the former director of the Israeli army archives, ‘in almost every village occupied by us during the War of Independence, acts were committed which are defined as war crimes, such as murders, massacres, and rapes’...Uri Milstein, the authoritative Israeli military historian of the 1948 war, goes one step further, maintaining that ‘every skirmish ended in a massacre of Arabs.’” Norman Finkelstein, “Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict.”

January 20, 1946, Palestine. Jewish terrorists launched an attack against the British-controlled Givat Olga Coast Guard Station located between Tel Aviv and Haifa. Ten persons were injured and one was killed. Captured papers indicated that the purpose of this raid was to take revenge on the British for their seizure of the refugee ship on January 18. British military authorities in Jerusalem questioned 3,000 Jews and held 148 in custody.

July 22, 1946, Jerusalem. The west wing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem which housed British Military Headquarters and other governmental offices was destroyed at 12:57 PM by explosives planted in the cellar by members of the Irgun terrorist gang. By the 26 of July, the casualties were 76 persons killed, 46 injured and 29 still missing in the rubble. The dead included many British, Arabs and Jews

November 9 through November 13, 1946, Palestine. Nineteen persons, eleven British soldiers and policemen and eight Arab constables, were killed in Palestine during this period as Jewish terrorists, using land mines and suitcase bombs, increased their attacks on railroad stations, trains and even streetcars.

the list is too long....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

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Jewish Encyclopedia and Jewish authors and historians are all anti-semitic. Sure Jan.

The fact that you believe that a Russian Jew and Ethiopian Jew are both descendants of Abraham. 

 

​Do you believe that all arabs are descendants of Abraham and Hagar? What about muhammed? Isn't there something in the religion that says they are descendants of Abraham?  The fact that you're using this against me an argument is quite sad.... The diaspora caused the Jews to spread around Asia and Europe, they split into 2 groups when leaving Jerusalem... one went through Assyria and through the Caucasus region and spread west from there. There's your Caucasus Jews and European Jews (Ashkenazi). The second group split from the other near the Caucasus and into Asia and there's the Sephardi Jews.. I am having to tell you this for the second time now. You seem to want to deny these facts because it's about Jews. And btw, Ethiopian Jews come from the tribe of Dan, it's a known and proven fact from DNA tests, when Egypt sent the Israelite tribe of Dan into exile through Kush and into Aethiopia (ancient title), they mixed in with the natives living here and also introduced the religion. But guess what? The religion wasn't forced on them, the natives weren't raped and villages weren't burned down and destroyed. Sound familiar?

Can you read???  I said three times that it was called Palestine by E V E R Y O N E after the Diaspora and destruction of Temple Mount due to King Hadrian renaming it the name of the Jews' greatest enemies in history. Arguing with you is like trying to convince a wall to stop being a wall, you just want to spread negativity, hatred, and false facts. If I had the decision to make peace with them, I would and I would also let them have a state because death and warfare is unnecessary when everyone could finally live in peace. But you know what? They were offered their own state in 2003, but hamas declined. But yet "Israel is the real terrorist!!!".

[lego 44,165]

Hadrian (/ˈheɪdriən/; Latin: Publius Aelius Hadrianus Augustus;24 January, 76 AD – 10 July, 138 AD) was Roman emperor from 117 to 138.

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Palestina 100 AD

Map of the known world, 43 AD - Palestina

 

Old testament: 

 

The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina. -- Exodus 15:14

Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken : for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent. -- Isaiah 14:29

Howl , O gate; cry , O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved : for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times. -- Isaiah 14:31

Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine?will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head; -- Joel 3:4

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“Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan...Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century A.D.] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes.” Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, “Their Promised Land.”

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​-  the only person here that truly believes that "palestine" and "palestinians" exist. She is wrong.     

 -   king Hadrian whom renamed the Land of Israel to the Latinized form of the word "Philistia" in 62 AD (ruled from  117 to 138 AD )

  -  Did you know that no such country called "Palestine" ever marked on a map before 1948 by people other than the British prior to the Mandate of Palestine?                          

(maps prove otherwise, even before king Hadrian was born)

 

 

 

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Hadrian (/ˈheɪdriən/; Latin: Publius Aelius Hadrianus Augustus;24 January, 76 AD – 10 July, 138 AD) was Roman emperor from 117 to 138.

???

Palestina 100 AD

Map of the known world, 43 AD - Palestina

 

Old testament: 

 

The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina. -- Exodus 15:14

Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken : for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent. -- Isaiah 14:29

Howl , O gate; cry , O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved : for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times. -- Isaiah 14:31

Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine?will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head; -- Joel 3:4

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“Between 3000 and 1100 B.C., Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan...Those who remained in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century A.D.] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks and old Canaanite tribes.” Marcia Kunstel and Joseph Albright, “Their Promised Land.”

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​-  the only person here that truly believes that "palestine" and "palestinians" exist. She is wrong.     

 -   king Hadrian whom renamed the Land of Israel to the Latinized form of the word "Philistia" in 62 AD (ruled from  117 to 138 AD )

  -  Did you know that no such country called "Palestine" ever marked on a map before 1948 by people other than the British prior to the Mandate of Palestine?                          

(maps prove otherwise, even before king Hadrian was born)

 

 

 

​You're such a liar, and if you think the word "palestina" is even once mentioned in the old or new testaments then you're completely brainwashed. Those texts have been edited, it says "Land of Israel" originally. I want you to copy and paste that from an official unedited bible text.

 

Also, if you think maps from "45 AD" look that well preserved along with color that vibrant, from TWO THOUSAND years ago, you obviously have no clue about physics and the aging of ink.  

You post fake unverified 'information' every time you post, you don't want to accept the fact that it was never once called "palestina" before King Hadrian. Inb4 you say that the word belongs to arabs... It has 0 relations to arabs. Zero. None. 

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

All these maps show is a Region ... Including a few now extinct peoples.  Judea and Palestine seem to be on top of each other, yet only Palestina is 'recognized' by the Arab side.

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

​You're such a liar, and if you think the word "palestina" is even once mentioned in the old or new testaments then you're completely brainwashed. Those texts have been edited, it says "Land of Israel" originally. I want you to copy and paste that from an official unedited bible text.

 

Also, if you think maps from "45 AD" look that well preserved along with color that vibrant, from TWO THOUSAND years ago, you obviously have no clue about physics and the aging of ink.  

You post fake unverified 'information' every time you post, you don't want to accept the fact that it was never once called "palestina" before King Hadrian. Inb4 you say that the word belongs to arabs... It has 0 relations to arabs. Zero. None. 

Since this was during Roman occupation, the 'region' could not have been an independent state owned by anyone other than the Ceasar

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All these maps show is a Region ... Including a few now extinct peoples.  Judea and Palestine seem to be on top of each other, yet only Palestina is 'recognized' by the Arab side.

​Some of them are so fake, maps from 2 thousand years ago don't look that well preserved and even if maps were preserved, you would notice an obvious aging in the color. She's trying to 'prove' that the land was originally called palestine even though that word didn't exist before the Philistine (Cretans) invasion because the word origin is from those people.  She's really trying hard, I have to give her props for trying to prove something that isn't true.  

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Since this was during Roman occupation, the 'region' could not have been an independent state owned by anyone other than the Ceasar

​Byzantine Empire. But King Hadrian is responsible for it.

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

​Byzantine Empire. But King Hadrian is responsible for it.

Okay, ..but point being "ownership" and "independence"