C2C is "just" covers

[SpaceAce 1,058]

 

 

 

This is you belittling me and my knowledge/appreciation of jazz music without any foundation for your claims. My point was that, by definition, C2C is full of covers no matter how much you'd like to sugarcoat it. If the word "cover" has such a negative connotation to it than use rendition for all I care, but they're essentially the same thing.

Yes, you have claimed to know things - like everytime you called something a simple fact of Jazz that of course, you know, but that we don't, despite the fact it didn't correlate at all to what we were saying? Neither of us denied that jazz has a large foundation in covers (renditions, sorry), I simply stated that the album is by definition, an album full of covers. Then you went on to assume that we know nothing about jazz, misinterpreted my statement about how Christmas music led me into listening to more jazz by saying that I just listen to Christmas music and called it jazz, and then said to Red that he doesn't appreciate jazz when you didn't even know his stance on the subject.

Just stop your bullshit

 

 

 

You're exactly the type of character I'd avoid in person. There's no sugar-coating, you just can't process the one point I've been making about the importance of improvisation and phrasing. This defines the genre.  Calm yourself down though. You're wrong, in my opinion. Get over it. I didn't know my words could have this affect over someone.

 

Just do me a parting favor and google the words "rendition" and "cover" and then please stfu about them being the same thing.

That shade you just threw at Gaga's songwriting skills, you do realize that the Ra-a-a-ah, Juda-a-a-as and Aura-a-a-as only exist to make the songs catchy, radio friendly and commercial, right?

 

It was a light-hearted joke. I think this user is questioning why you would say jazz is not about being catchy. What kind of ridiculous comment?

[Red 97,985]

You're exactly the type of character I'd avoid in person. There's no sugar-coating, you just can't process the one point I've been making about the importance of improvisation and phrasing. This defines the genre.  Calm yourself down though. You're wrong, in my opinion. Get over it. I didn't know my words could have this affect over someone.

 

Just do me a parting favor and google the words "rendition" and "cover" and then please stfu about them being the same thing.

 

It was a light-hearted joke. I think this user is questioning why you would say jazz is not about being catchy. What kind of ridiculous comment?

 

Jazz music doesn't usually stick in your mind like pop music, at least not in mine...

[Chic 20,830]

You're exactly the type of character I'd avoid in person. There's no sugar-coating, you just can't process the one point I've been making about the importance of improvisation and phrasing. This defines the genre. Calm yourself down though. You're wrong, in my opinion. Get over it. I didn't know my words could have this affect over someone.

Just do me a parting favor and google the words "rendition" and "cover" and then please stfu about them being the same thing.

It was a light-hearted joke. I think this user is questioning why you would say jazz is not about being catchy. What kind of ridiculous comment?

Yeah, it defines the genre. And? C2C is still entirely composed of covers. If it makes you feel better, we can go in the middle and call them "non-originals". You completely disregarded my original statement, used it as a way to make it seem like I didn't know **** about jazz/didn't appreciate it, and now you're telling me I'm wrong.

Like really, how can you tell someone they don't appreciate jazz without knowing it and then actually claim to be having an intellectual argument, nevermind implying you won?

I process your point, the fact of the matter is that you disregarded my point as a way to make it seem like I didn't process your point. That's what all of this is. Nothing you said in your first quote to me had anything to do with what I said. I said C2C is filled with, by definition, covers. You replied that "just covers" is belittling the genre and that my lack of appreciation for jazz was bothering you.

You don't appreciate the genre, we get it.

See that? The user in question stated he likes jazz. You are the biased one because you seem to think that anyone without knowledge of jazz does not like it, and you cannot stand to have people disagree with you, seeing as how you told me that I'm wrong. That's why you took my statement unrelated to your argument and used it as a way to assume **** about me and my knowledge/enjoyment of jazz music and put yourself on a pedestal.

[Rollercoaster 2]

That shade you just threw at Gaga's songwriting skills, you do realize that the Ra-a-a-ah, Juda-a-a-as and Aura-a-a-as only exist to make the songs catchy, radio friendly and commercial, right?

Firstly, im aware of what a hook is, thanks for condescention.

My point is that her writing would likely fall short of the writing of the standards and even if it didnt, then her writing would be blasted to hell for daring to appear on a standards album. There would likely be a lyric that gets a hellish beating. Thats the nature of the beast.

[Gagz 2,579]

You two have no idea what you're talking about. I've posted this elsewhere:

I'm judging everyone who's underestimating the amount of work and creativity Gaga has put into her jazz album. So many good artists have covered the same standards since their conception and she now has to create something unique and exceptional with them. Does anyone think fans of jazz, or even just more mature listeners, are going to like this album if it sounds like something they've heard multiple times before? Even though we have good reason to call her one, she really isn't a jazz artist yet until that album comes out and she proves it. She's worked hard in the studio and loved recording this album, so I'm assuming she'd want it to stand out visually as well. They've filmed a lot of promo and some people have already written great things about the PBS special. She's clearly put more work and thought into this "side-project" than Katy "Straight From The Pages Of Tumblr" Perry has with her own damn pop album. Have some respect for your fave.

The amount of creativity and artistry it takes to interpret these songs is on another level. The two released tracks alone are vocally superior to anything she's put out before. This isn't like Rihanna mimicking Sia's demo vocals or Britney Spears covering "I Love Rock N Roll". There's actual interpretation, phrasing and improvisation involved with this album.

All I said was that it's an album of covers. Absolutely nothing you say will make that untrue. I never discredited her creativity or said she didn't put a lot of work into the album. Obviously she put a lot of work into it. That doesn't make it any less of a covers album.

I also never called it a side project, and I'm not here for your flame bait toward Katy.

It's a covers album. Deal with it.

[SpaceAce 1,058]

Yeah, it defines the genre. And? C2C is still entirely composed of covers. If it makes you feel better, we can go in the middle and call them "non-originals". You completely disregarded my original statement, used it as a way to make it seem like I didn't know **** about jazz/didn't appreciate it, and now you're telling me I'm wrong.

Like really, how can you tell someone they don't appreciate jazz without knowing it and then actually claim to be having an intellectual argument, nevermind implying you won?

 

 

Holy ****. Calm yourself down.

 

 

 

 

I've simply given up on you, but you should love yourself.

[squeala 875]

What a wonderful piece of writing  Thanks for educating us

[Red 97,985]

Firstly, im aware of what a hook is, thanks for condescention.

My point is that her writing would likely fall short of the writing of the standards and even if it didnt, then her writing would be blasted to hell for daring to appear on a standards album. There would likely be a lyric that gets a hellish beating. Thats the nature of the beast.

 

I really don't know why you think so, just take a look on the music she used to do before The Fame Her songwriting just changed after TF to fit in the pop music taste, it doesn't mean she "forgot" how to do make "writing of the standards" 

[Chic 20,830]

Holy ****. Calm yourself down.

I've simply given up on you, but you should love yourself.

Sorry, I just tend to be more passionate and explanatory in conversations with pre-schoolers.

I'm also sorry for calling you out on your bull**** and confirming my righteousness in this argument through your only response of "Calm yourself down" because you've realized that your original argument and quoting me had nothing to do with what I was talking about and therefore only had basis in assumption that I disliked jazz. I've read your other threads, you are extremely biased towards Gaga and have even admitted to disliking the members on this site.

Maybe you should just gtfo then.

[SpaceAce 1,058]

All I said was that it's an album of covers. Absolutely nothing you say will make that untrue. I never discredited her creativity or said she didn't put a lot of work into the album. Obviously she put a lot of work into it. That doesn't make it any less of a covers album.

 

My point is the genre focuses on interpretation and improvisation. So jazz "covers" aren't the same as covers of any other genre. They're actually more accurately called renditions and it's something that's valued within the genre. Calling it "just covers" is belittling.

[Gagz 2,579]

My point is the genre focuses on interpretation and improvisation. So jazz "covers" aren't the same as covers of any other genre. They're actually more accurately called renditions and it's something that's valued within the genre. Calling it "just covers" is belittling.

Yeah, any cover from any genre would be considered that singer's rendition. Nobody is saying it's a bad thing that she's doing covers, but she is doing covers. It's a covers album.

[SpaceAce 1,058]

Sorry, I just tend to be more passionate and explanatory in conversations with pre-schoolers.

 

You're such a hypocrite and your holier than thou attitude is gross. You can say I've been demeaning towards you but you've done nothing but the same and have resorted to calling me names. Bye.

[Zilla 13,384]

These songs stand the test of time, so hopefully c2c will help them be exposed to more people.

AND STOP ARGUING. Christ can't come into a thread without people at each other's throats. Chilllll

[Chic 20,830]

You're such a hypocrite and your holier than thou attitude is gross. You can say I've been demeaning towards you but you've done nothing but the same and have resorted to calling me names. Bye.

You resorted to telling me to calm down because you can't withstand an argument that you pointlessly created with misjudgement regarding my opinion, I believe that's a pre-school level of conversational tactics, yes.

[SpaceAce 1,058]

You resorted to telling me to calm down because you can't withstand an argument that you pointlessly created with misjudgement regarding my opinion, I believe that's a pre-school level of conversational tactics, yes.

 

I've given up because I find you to be quite simple and I can't handle having to constantly reiterate myself. Don't bust an artery on me now though. It's just my opinion.