Jimmy Iovine leaving Interscope / UMG to join Apple

[tokyodisko 0]

You don't understand everything about Gagas career. You don't understand everything about her period. You don't understand nearly jack **** about the industry. You're nothing more than another young gay guy on the internet with an opinion.

 

She doesn't solely point her fingers at everyone else, the fans take what she says and create their own theories and truths and other fans perpetuate it until everyone is lazy and just assumes in their heads that everything is factual. Shes been somewhat vocal this era about members of her team playing roles in her career. How is it at all fair for you to patronize other people for assuming things then proceed to just assume that she holds no responsibility for her own actions just because shes adult enough to recognize that other people also play their roles in her career?

 

And exactly what should she even be owning up to or apologizing for? She made an okay album that did okay and the media ran with its fine-ness and put a negative spin on it because shes Lady Gaga and it wasn't phenom status. That doesn't mean she has anything to own up to or apologize for. I get that you're frustrated with how she chooses to market herself or whatever because I get the same way. But what you fail to realize and I often as well, is that we project our frustrations onto her without thinking about how **** actually is. Shes a pop artist that made an album that did whatever, music labels are notoriously annoying, and she constantly gets lashings from every angle. She has a lot to deal with, she tries her best, she can work on a lot of things, i dont think she blames everyone else. Nothing is one dimensional.

 

She made an okay album and everyone was hard on it because they're hard on her because she was huge and everyone including her had astronomically high expectations for her career and it set her up to be taken down a few notches and shes clearly not so strong that it didnt affect her. To me the music on ARTPOP was fine enough by commercial pop standards, but as a whole it was a very self conscious effort. Hopefully the next album is better, but I think you and a lot of people tend to exaggerate how disappointing this album actually is. Its not top of her game, but its not bad and its certainly not embarrassing. Its performance and its reception is a reflection of how people view her more than a reflection of the quality of content.

Oh god, you again. All you do is tell others why their opinion is wrong is such a condescending tone. *eyeroll*

I only skimmed your response, because I don't have time to waste on a lengthy reply to someone who sits behind a computer screen to whine about why everyone else is wrong, while there wasn't even a goddamned disagreement to begin with. 

I'll be 25 this year, so I'm not some angsty teen and I follow a lot to do with the pop music industry. And who are you? Iovine?

I don't claim to be an expert, though you're not likely any brighter in regards to it, but you don't have to be one to know that Gaga isn't exactly the most prompt and prepared artist.  She has a job she was hired to do and if anything she needs a stronger hand from Interscope in helping her reach her potential for that job. I think they have been on her in a caring way to get it together again. Her meltdown showed an ugly side of her personality and it did involve playing VictimGa. Luckily she isn't depressed anymore from what we can tell.

But yes, Gaga has pointed blame on many others, not herself, in the public eye this era. I've not doubt that she is internally beating herself up over ARTPOP. She is a perfectionist and knows she screwed up. She tried to save it with "creative rebellion" and then the segue to GUY and now the tour. She's back on track to come out on top after her period of time where she wasn't fully herself. 

I'm not projecting anything, just commenting on her observed behavior and the behavior of the Industry. She did make something "self-conscious" as I've seen you describe it in  almost every post debating the quality of the album, and I agree fully, I've said that for months. I never claimed it was "one dimensional". It's sad how easily some users become irate and offended over a post that triggers them.

Still, ARTPOP was a disappointment on multiple levels, but moderately successful despite it- the tour is the saving grace financially tbh. I think you assume too much as well as put too much stock in your ability to puff your feathers. You're just another person on GGD- should I be swayed by your condescending, self-important post? Nope.

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Oh god, you again. All you do is tell others why their opinion is wrong is such a condescending tone. *eyeroll*

I only skimmed your response, because I don't have time to waste on a lengthy reply to someone who sits behind a computer screen to whine about why everyone else is wrong, while there wasn't even a goddamned disagreement to begin with. 

I'll be 25 this year, so I'm not some angsty teen and I follow a lot to do with the pop music industry. And what are you? Iovine?

I don't claim to be an expert, though you're not likely any brighter in regards to it, but you don't have to be one to know that Gaga isn't exactly the most prompt and prepared artist.  She has a job she was hired to do and if anything she needs a stronger hand from Interscope in helping her reach her potential for that job. I think they have been on her in a caring way to get it together again. Her meltdown showed an ugly side of her personality and it did involve playing VictimGa. Luckily she isn't depressed anymore from what we can tell.

But yes, Gaga has pointed blame on many others, not herself, in the public eye this era. I've not doubt that she is internally beating herself up over ARTPOP. She is a perfectionist and knows she screwed up. She tried to save it with "creative rebellion" and then the segue to GUY and now the tour. She's back on track to come out on top after her period of time where she wasn't fully herself. 

I'm not projecting anything, just commenting on her observed behavior and the behavior of the Industry. She did make something "self-conscious" as I've seen you describe it in  almost every post debating the quality of the album, and I agree fully, I've said that for months. I never claimed it was "one dimensional". It's sad how easily some users become irate and offended over a post that triggers them.

Still, ARTPOP was a disappointment on multiple levels, but moderately successful despite it- the tour is the saving grace financially tbh. I think you assume too much as well as put too much stock in your ability to puff your feathers. You're just another person on GGD- should I be swayed by your condescending, self-important post? Nope.

 

You are projecting.

You too are everything you've described me as most notably arrogant, condescending, and self-important.

I put myself right in your shoes in my response because im at least aware of my own arrogance and have the maturity to own up to it when calling you out on your own.

Someone needs to tell you to sit the **** down, it might as well be someone that can match you in your own obnoxious sense of self importance.

[tokyodisko 0]

You are projecting.

You too are everything you've described me as most notably arrogant, condescending, and self-important.

I put myself right in your shoes in my response because im at least aware of my own arrogance and have the maturity to own up to it when calling you out on your own.

Because sharing my opinion on a situation on the business side of Gaga is very arrogant and it's certainly projecting my distaste toward ARTPOP onto her Marketing/PR team who have done groundbreaking, amazing work this era. 

 

Gurl, bye. Maturity is tearing into someone for saying Gaga is a pop singer and claiming they don't know jack ****?   

You're right and I'm so sorry for ever doubting or laughing at your posts, even if they're not something I disagree with.   

Someone needs to tell you to sit the **** down, it might as well be someone that can match you in your own obnoxious sense of self importance.

That was necessary to add?

[blacklistedd 599]

Because sharing my opinion on a situation on the business side of Gaga is very arrogant and it's certainly projecting my distaste toward ARTPOP onto her Marketing/PR team who have done groundbreaking, amazing work this era. 

 

Gurl, bye. Maturity is tearing into someone for saying Gaga is a pop singer and claiming they don't know jack ****?   

You're right and I'm so sorry for ever doubting or laughing at your posts, even if they're not something I disagree with.   

 

You don't share your opinions you declare them arrogantly and condescendingly as fact and clearly refuse to acknowledge your own bloated ego while calling me out on my own lol Then proceed to argue how much more mature you are while using stan bravado and emojis. Kind of contradictory.

 

At least I have the balls to acknowledge my own sense of self-importance.

[bionic 49,807]

Why do you assume thats what Gaga said though? I don't remember her ever claiming that he chose her singles for her.

 

Well someone must've said it, and they seem to be the only two options. Or is everybody on GGD just making these claims up?

[tokyodisko 0]

You don't share your opinions you declare them arrogantly and condescendingly as fact and clearly refuse to acknowledge your own bloated ego while calling me out on my own lol Then proceed to argue how much more mature you are while using stan bravado and emojis. Kind of contradictory.

 

At least I have the balls to acknowledge my own sense of self-importance.

Bravado, Lucille Bluth, and emojis make everything more entertaining. 

 

 

And they do extremely well to piss off the other person.  :megaflop:

Everyone on here declares their opinions. It's a forum. That's what it is for. I shouldn't have to add "imo" or "I think" to every sentence to cover my ass. If one cannot realize that they shouldn't be allowed to internet. 

 

It's also not an opinion that Gaga was hired by Interscope to be a pop star.    That's a fact.

[blacklistedd 599]

Well someone must've said it, and they seem to be the only two options. Or is everybody on GGD just making these claims up?

 

Its because he essentially convinced her to keep Applause on the record and release it first.

[tokyodisko 0]

Well someone must've said it, and they seem to be the only two options. Or is everybody on GGD just making these claims up?

I am not certain about it, but I think Gaga has contradicted herself about who chooses the singles- Interscope or her team/herself. 

So who knows. I'd guess a mix of both, because it's the Gaga brand and the business side that both are taken into account. Iovine probably had more say with Gaga than most others, just because they seemed very close. I hope she keeps him on as a mentor or that he develops something new with Apple and signs her/invites her over after her Interscope deal is up.

[blacklistedd 599]

Bravado, Lucille Bluth, and emojis make everything more entertaining. 

 

 

And they do extremely well to piss off the other person.  :megaflop:

Everyone on here declares their opinions. It's a forum. That's what it is for. I shouldn't have to add "imo" or "I think" to every sentence to cover my ass. If one cannot realize that they shouldn't be allowed to internet. 

 

It's also not an opinion that Gaga was hired by Interscope to be a pop star.    That's a fact.

 

Thats literally the exact same statement i've pulled time and time again. Honest truth is you're an obnoxious condescending asshole, not a troll.

We really are alike, so its a little funny that in me calling you out on it yet you're still trying to act like you're above me somehow lol

 

You're too much.

I am not certain about it, but I think Gaga has contradicted herself about who chooses the singles- Interscope or her team/herself. 

 

 

There are no contradictions because there simply isn't just one person that "chooses" singles.

[tokyodisko 0]

Thats literally the exact same statement i've pulled time and time again. Honest truth is you're an obnoxious condescending asshole, not a troll.

We really are alike, so its a little funny that in me calling you out on it yet you're still trying to act like you're above me somehow lol

 

You're too much.

 

There are no contradictions because there simply isn't just one person that "chooses" singles.

I never said I was above you, but you're a dick to people who even put their opinions super politely.   

That's why I called you out. That and your pretentiousness about how much more intellectually superior you are. Not a fan of that nonsense. Can't have anyone aside from myself getting too much of a large head around here- unless of course it's in the Sexfessions & Secussions thread. 

 

 

The contradiction is that I think Gaga said she had no say at all and another time that she said she had all the say. I'm not too clear on it, because I don't care what the singles are as long as the music is good.

So yes, that's a contradiction, but it's s-xy how flexible you are to reach for that dig. 

[blacklistedd 599]

I never said I was above you, but you're a dick to people who even put their opinions super politely. 

That's why I called you out. That and your pretentiousness about how much more intellectually superior you are. Not a fan of that nonsense. Can't have anyone aside from myself getting too much of a large head around here- unless of course it's in the Sexfessions & Secussions thread. 

 

 

The contradiction is that I think Gaga said she had no say at all and another time that she said she had all the say. I'm not too clear on it, because I don't care what the singles are as long as the music is good.

So yes, that's a contradiction, but it's s-xy how flexible you are to reach for that dig. 

 

Essentially we're getting nowhere because when it comes down to it we are the same. You're calling me out for being a dick to the polite and being pretentious yet you fit your own criticism completely. At any rate, you act like a condescending asshole on here and I wanted to tell you that you act like you're a condescending asshole.

 

Shes never claimed anything definitively. Theres been times that shes basically said shes wanted to release something but other people fought against it (ex. Sheisse) and other times that she wanted something released and got it released (ex. Born This Way as lead single). Thats not a contradiction. Fans hear that she wanted something released and got it released and proceed to say she picks all of her singles, then when the label wins out and wont release something some fans perpetuate that its all the label. Its all he said she said based on happenings but ultimately there is no one person that picks anything and shes never said that there was.

[tokyodisko 0]

Essentially we're getting nowhere because when it comes down to it we are the same. You're calling me out for being a dick to the polite and being pretentious yet you fit your own criticism completely. At any rate, you act like a condescending asshole on here and I wanted to tell you that you act like you're a condescending asshole.

 

Shes never claimed anything definitively. Theres been times that shes basically said shes wanted to release something but other people fought against it (ex. Sheisse) and other times that she wanted something released and got it released (ex. Born This Way as lead single). Thats not a contradiction. Fans hear that she wanted something released and got it released and proceed to say she picks all of her singles, then when the label wins out and wont release something some fans perpetuate that its all the label. Its all he said she said based on happenings but ultimately there is no one person that picks anything and shes never said that there was.

 

You won't take second place, so you want a tie, eh? I can tie you. 

 

 

I never said it was definitive or if it was remotely what I believe the situation is, so chill out. 

[blacklistedd 599]

I never said it was definitive or if it was remotely what I believe the situation is, so chill out. 

 

Yeah, you said she contradicted herself. I said there was nothing to contradict.

[Whispering 18,865]

Disciplined and hard working are different things. 

 

Just look at Gaga's unprofessional behavior. (Ignoring multiple deadlines, leaving people in the dark (not fans, but things like Vevo), "shade", etc) She still has a job to do. Her job is to be a huge, edgy pop star and to make bank. She's not been doing any of it aside from the tour. When people say "she can do what she wants, because she is the artist!!1!1" it shows how little some people understand about Gaga's career and the industry. 

It's in now way all her fault, but her pointing fingers at everyone but herself for ARTPOP's disappointment is childish.

But I think she knows this and wants to get it together for the next album. This news is worrisome for that though. 

 

Once again, what deadlines did she ignore? You keep saying this, but which deadlines did she maliciously and purposely ignore?

 

Gaga's job is to put out music. She has made money for her label with her worldwide album sales, and mostly with her tours and merchandise sales. She is doing her job.

 

There is no reason for this news to be worrisome for Gaga, more than any other artist at Interscope. Jimmy was a knowledgeable and influential label executive. His absence will be missed by all the artists on that label.

[BricksNStrings 231]

Disciplined and hard working are different things. 

 

Just look at Gaga's unprofessional behavior. (Ignoring multiple deadlines, leaving people in the dark (not fans, but things like Vevo), "shade", etc) She still has a job to do. Her job is to be a huge, edgy pop star and to make bank. She's not been doing any of it aside from the tour. When people say "she can do what she wants, because she is the artist!!1!1" it shows how little some people understand about Gaga's career and the industry. 

It's in now way all her fault, but her pointing fingers at everyone but herself for ARTPOP's disappointment is childish.

But I think she knows this and wants to get it together for the next album. This news is worrisome for that though. 

thanks for bolding, almost didn't see that word