Celina 118 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 If she doesn't feel comfortable being "in charge" of her relationship, so be it. If you're referring to the how it came across, I think that quote is really just a poor word choice, since she's clearly comfortable with being a strong woman in general and I doubt she'd try to force her relationship preferences on others... As far as the collaborations, she seems to speak of those people in a way that makes me think she doesn't believe they're "that" bad, so IMO it's naivety rather than anti-feminism, so I think it's really unfair when people use those collaborations against her. She's said herself that she trusts people too easily. I think this is a fine example of that... She has many beliefs that align with feminism, there's no doubt about it. There was a point earlier in her career when she was obviously confused about the concept of feminism, but she has learned, and I'm sure she's still open to learning more, and that's what really matters. I really don't think these instances mean she's got a narrow-minded view, especially after all the actions/words that would prove otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Yeah, that's another good example. I mean, whatever, she can do what she wants (and obviously will). I'm just a little disappointed, since she's super progressive-ga everywhere else. ? Like, saying that Taylor is in charge is good for her PR? I don't see how, but maybe it makes her more relatable? Right, but she also said he's in charge. Obviously, whatever works for her is awesome, but saying "woohooo, its so great to have a man in charge, it's not good for a woman to be bossy" is a far cry from how liberal she is on other issues. She is liberal, she does what she wants. If she wants to be a housewife and stay at home while her husband works is her problem, and it's totally acceptable. She said he is in charge but that doesn't mean that she has no voice on the relationship. Feminism is about empowering women to be free to do whatever they want, even if her choice is to be submissive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemo 4,291 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Kind of AP: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeka 12,372 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 The people who she works with doesn't mean it effects her views. Let's say one time in a science class you were forced into a project with a homophobe prejudiced prick. Does that mean you are a homophobic prejudiced prick. creative works and the people you work on them with are utterly allowed to be disconnected from real life issues. Then they are also allowed to only be about real life issues. She probably said that by accident. Plus let's not mention Gaga has had lots of horrendous relationships. You are looking too far into something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
codymonster 8,580 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 For being so socially forward on LGBT issues, I find this streak in her pretty troubling, actually. Feminism is about choice, sure, but I can't ignore the fact that she seems to have a pretty huge blind spot on women's issues. "It's not good for relationships to tell men what to do." I'd say it's not great for any relationship for people to be controlled or told what to do, both for men AND women. And thinking its great to have the "man in charge" instead of an equal partnership seems really antiquated and disappointing to me coming from one of my favs. Am I picking up on something, or reading too far into her actions and words? It's true tho It's not good for ANYONE to be told what to do in a relationship. I don't think she was trying to belittle women at all. She talks a lot how her and Taylor love each other, and the reason it works is because they are both in their own journey, and neither tries to control the other. I think she was talking about that. She probs doesn't give two ****s what people wanna do in the bedroom :sweat: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewStevens 5,249 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 She's the boss & in control all day long every day in her career... I think she's saying that when she's at home with the people she feels comfortable with, she doesn't want to be the boss & in charge. she just wants to be the opposite. That's what I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boniva4lyfe 0 Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 Um are you ****ing serious? Just because Gaga likes taking care of her man that means she's not a feminist? Wow that's so ignorant. Do you even know what the definition of a feminist is? Stuff like this is probably one of the reasons why Gaga said she wasn't a feminist that one time and it's why women like Gaga and Beyoncé have a hard time connecting with other feminists. Wow this is so ignorant And the funny thing is that Gaga even talked about all the people who say she's not a feminist because she said she likes taking care of her man in some interview “Any kind of feminist has valid views for herself about what it means to be a feminist, but, as a new-age feminist, I would say I quite like the transference of strength I feel by submitting to a man – being under him. I actually wrote a song about it on my album, it’s called GUY and it stands for Girl Under You. So wearing make-up, smelling delicious and having suckable, kissable, edible things between your limbs is something I find strengthening because I know that when I pick the right guy, I can let him have it. Some women feel oppressed by make-up and clothing, and here’s to them, they have every right to feel that way as well.†â€â€Lady Gaga for Stylist So yeah Gaga is a feminist who likes acting submissive for her boyfriend, wearing makeup, wearing high heels, wearing different wigs and likes lots of glittery, girly things. There's nothing wrong with that. Not every single feminist has to be some bra burning cave woman who hates men. Haha, actually, it's not ignorance at all. I'm super fem too, and I like doing things for my hubby, but in no uncertain terms is he not "in charge." I'm not "in charge" either. Clearly you didn't read my comment carefully, or else you would have seen that obviously I said that it's fine for her to do what she wants. I just find the fact that she regularly collaborates with accused rapists on TOP of saying it's bad for a woman to be in charge/tell a man what to do ON TOP of saying it's great that the man is in charge a little troubling. I'm not asking for bra burning, I'm just highlighting a subtle concern. In my opinion, not having the partners be EQUAL in a relationship IS anti-feminist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boniva4lyfe 0 Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 As far as the collaborations, she seems to speak of those people in a way that makes me think she doesn't believe they're "that" bad, so IMO it's naivety rather than anti-feminism, so I think it's really unfair when people use those collaborations against her. She's said herself that she trusts people too easily. I think this is a fine example of that... I've definitely thought that before too. It just seems weird to have 3 (2 of which were pretty close) collaborators who are all that creepy! haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rae 86 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 I don't really care, but it's pretty annoying when she says how everybody is bad and she was raped or whatever and at the same time doesn't mind hanging out with most of the "bad" guys in the industry (same she claims to fight against) Anyway, it's her business, I respect myself. When did she ever state she was raped? Answer that question with reciepts please. Otherwise shut up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emvee 8,366 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 She said that jokingly, y'all. :roll: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusel 1,109 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 When did she ever state she was raped? Answer that question with reciepts please. Otherwise shut up. She never claimed that, it's a rumor based on several events in her life that she sometimes mentions but refuses to go into detail. If it wasn't rape it sure was a unhealthy & somewhat traumatizing experience she had regarding s-x & "doing what she thought adults do". Please don't ask me to look up all those interviews tho Also some people see these supposed events influencing her work eg The Y&I ice cream man scene & other videos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 6,625 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Isn't she coming from 3rd generation feminism? Maybe it's her choice as a feminist to do what she wants, trusts who she wants, and let a man be in control at home. I doubt he has any say over her career, her life beyond that. Isn't equality just that, sharing the power so both in the relationship are free to be themselves and individuals partnering in a bond? Do your own research. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boniva4lyfe 0 Posted March 25, 2014 Author Share Posted March 25, 2014 Isn't she coming from 3rd generation feminism? Maybe it's her choice as a feminist to do what she wants, trusts who she wants, and let a man be in control at home. I doubt he has any say over her career, her life beyond that. Isn't equality just that, sharing the power so both in the relationship are free to be themselves and individuals partnering in a bond? It's totally her choice, and I respect that (if that wasn't clear from my initial post). But I don't think third wave feminism supports the idea that a man can be "in charge" if that's what you want, really. The man being in charge is kind of the opposite of "sharing the power." Women having choices isn't the same as subordination (and I don't really buy the idea of "choosing" to not have equality in your relationship). Anyways, it's not as though she needs to uphold the tenets of feminism 24/7 haha. She should do what works for her. I just find it interesting as part of a trend. When did she ever state she was raped? Answer that question with reciepts please. Otherwise shut up. Didn't she say Swine was about rape right before the SXSW show? I thought I remember her saying "this song is about rape" and in another interview saying swine was about bad things that happened to her. EDIT: She did, according to Rolling Stone http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/lady-gaga-stages-dramatic-performance-art-spectacle-at-sxsw-20140314#ixzz2x14BPAoi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mast 980 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 "I’m in charge all day long, the last thing I want to do is tell him what to do." Letting men do what they want has nothing to do with feminism. Not every woman needs to be an astronaut to prove that she is strong. People can do whatever they want in their relationships. It's not that. It's the fact that she reinforces gender roles in her music and videos. "our s-xes tell us no lies" glad to know she thinks women should be submissive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rae 86 Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 She never claimed that, it's a rumor based on several events in her life that she sometimes mentions but refuses to go into detail. If it wasn't rape it sure was a unhealthy & somewhat traumatizing experience she had regarding s-x & "doing what she thought adults do". Please don't ask me to look up all those interviews tho I am not asking you to look them up, because I know their is no interviews that she said such a thing. If their was it would be well known. You did the statement but have nothing to back it up. You know nothing about Gaga so stop acting like you do. And looking up the interviews is such a low pereference to you it shows how low your opinion is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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