Christa Pike’s execution failed after 2 lethal injections

[Rahrahbitchson 23,660]

11 minutes ago, onTheBrink said:

I'm pretty progressive w most issues apart from the death penalty. Why shouldn't the victim get justice? 

 

6 minutes ago, Controversiaga said:

THANK YOU 

especially while Colleen’s mother is still alive. She must be so frustrated this morning  it’s so unfair..

Tbh, I agree to a certain extent. I feel bad saying that I want this woman to suffer for the rest of her life for what she did. She carried part of the victim’s skull around and showed it to people at school, that’s sickening and disgusting as hell. But killing her won't make this BYOTCH suffer for the rest of her life

Edited yesterday at 04:10 PM by Rahrahbitchson

[Bronco 28,346]

9 minutes ago, onTheBrink said:

I'm pretty progressive w most issues apart from the death penalty. Why shouldn't the victim get justice? 

Death penalties have been proven to disuade jurors from reaching guilty verdicts. 

They can actually be a block on justice.

And even when prosecutors are successful, as we see with this case appeals can stretch over decades to reach the final final decision. Which postpones justice for the victims as they spend those decades dragged through multiple courts relitigating the crime. So it can take decades to gain closure.

[ALonelyNight 859]

11 minutes ago, Controversiaga said:

Unfortunately millions of people are sexually abused in their childhood but they do not become CRIMINALS let alone MURDERERS.  

You're right - many of them go on to abuse their own children verbally and psychologically, outside the bounds of criminality. Or perhaps even physically or sexually, but are never caught, as almost all sexual abuse ultimately winds up

Trauma is a cycle, a chainsaw through the bonds of a family tree, and acting as if Christa had some third party evil characteristic independent of her trauma is incorrect. The abuse she suffered at the hands of men early in her life  DIRECTLY led her to develop the mental capacity to carry out a heinous murder. If she had never suffered that, she would have been a law abiding citizen.

To be clear, she should spend the rest of her life incarcerated, and if we didn't have a death penalty, we wouldn't even have to have this debate at all

[Sarah H 4,480]

23 minutes ago, Franch Toast said:

I don't think anyone should be executed. Give life in prison without parole instead. 

This. 

I'm completely against the death penalty. 

[onTheBrink 1,851]

4 minutes ago, Bronco said:

And even when prosecutors are successful, as we see with this case appeals can stretch over decades to reach the final final decision.

Well, as they should. I support the death penalty but only with extreme guardrails like this. It should be as humane as possible. But if you take the life of my daughter, torture her, rape her etc, there is no justice until what you did to her has been done to you. 

I honestly don't think I'd feel closure, as a parent, if the punishment was life imprisonment. My child dies and the killer lives, the injustice just carries on and on.

Edited yesterday at 04:16 PM by onTheBrink

[River 129,256]

15 minutes ago, Controversiaga said:

I think Christa was the motivated mastermind behind this premeditated murder and Tadaryl assisted to carry out her wish.

Colleen would be alive if it wasn’t for Christa.  Tadaryl would never have killed Colleen on his own if Christa didn’t exist

That's false, he conspired with Christa and Shadolla to lure Colleen and kill her, they planned everything together to the small details.

He was not an unfortunate man that has been manipulated by a devilish woman, he wanted to kill her as well.

[PartySick 175,087]

20 minutes ago, Controversiaga said:

it is a WASTE OF TAX PAYERS MONEY to keep her alive for NO REASON!

Actually, executions are typically several times as expensive as life time incarceration.

Keeping someone in prison for 50 years might cost $500,000 to $1 million while just the drugs alone that are used for lethal injection might be marked up to $1 million due to their scarcity. Not to mention the insanely high cost of keeping someone on death row, which is maximum security.

It's cheaper to let them rot in prison  

16 minutes ago, onTheBrink said:

I'm pretty progressive w most issues apart from the death penalty. Why shouldn't the victim get justice? 

The only reason I don't support it is 'cause it's the ultimate permanent punishment and people have been found innocent after being executed. You can't resurrected an innocent victim of wrongful execution.

And you might say "well, make an exception for people like this one" but the penal system has a funny way of "just making an exception" into hurting a lot of people who don't deserve it.

There's just no good justification for the death penalty and that's before you get to any moral or ethical arguments.

[onTheBrink 1,851]

1 minute ago, PartySick said:

The only reason I don't support it is 'cause it's the ultimate permanent punishment and people have been found innocent after being executed. You can't resurrected an innocent victim of wrongful execution.

And you might say "well, make an exception for people like this one" but the penal system has a funny way of "just making an exception" into hurting a lot of people who don't deserve it.

There's just no good justification for the death penalty and that's before you get to any moral or ethical arguments.

Those are valid points, but for me they're just a reason to think - "how can we strengthen prosecutions? how can we demonstrate guilt better?" Just aggressive pragmatism. Honestly I think it's so valid for a parent to want their child's killer dead, and not allowing it is disrespectful to the life that was lost.

[Meruk Holland 2,466]

14 minutes ago, onTheBrink said:

I'm pretty progressive w most issues apart from the death penalty. Why shouldn't the victim get justice? 

What justice is there in letting someone out of their earthly prison? A lifetime of confinement, boredom, monotony. Death is a release from that punishment. Whatever afterlife may or may not exist for her won't change if we kill her or let her die of natural causes (or whatever, anything can happen in prison). Us killing her will only get her there faster. What if only heaven exists, and killing her ends up being a reward? We can guarantee her punishment here, we have no control of what happens after her death. 

[onTheBrink 1,851]

7 minutes ago, Meruk Holland said:

What justice is there in letting someone out of their earthly prison? A lifetime of confinement, boredom, monotony. Death is a release from that punishment. Whatever afterlife may or may not exist for her won't change if we kill her or let her die of natural causes (or whatever, anything can happen in prison). Us killing her will only get her there faster. What if only heaven exists, and killing her ends up being a reward? We can guarantee her punishment here, we have no control of what happens after her death. 

I mean I get where you're coming from. But again, if I was a dad and somebody tortured/raped my little girl, I have an animalistic need for that person to die. It's like my grief. And I think a civilized society should honour that. With hella guardrails of course, but...yeah. If I was that dad, death would feel like the only true justice. Like let's just give him justice

Edited yesterday at 04:31 PM by onTheBrink

[ALonelyNight 859]

2 minutes ago, onTheBrink said:

how can we demonstrate guilt better?"

In the United States, there is no way to do that. A conviction is a conviction, and overturning a wrongful conviction is a herculean effort in and of itself. Courts are very hesitant to overturn jury verdicts in particular, and even more importantly, once a defendant is convicted, the presumption of innocence disappears as the appeals process drags on, only returning if a new trial is granted, which is far from guaranteed in an adversarial justice system.

 

7 minutes ago, onTheBrink said:

it's so valid for a parent to want their child's killer dead, and not allowing it is disrespectful to the life that was lost.

It is indeed, and I think it's also disrespectful to play cat and mouse with appeals court rulings that tantalize victims and their families again and again. If we didn't have a death penalty though, that would never happen

[PartySick 175,087]

11 minutes ago, onTheBrink said:

Those are valid points, but for me they're just a reason to think - "how can we strengthen prosecutions? how can we demonstrate guilt better?" Just aggressive pragmatism. Honestly I think it's so valid for a parent to want their child's killer dead, and not allowing it is disrespectful to the life that was lost.

I was about to try and make a "vengeance vs justice" argument but then I remembered I absolutely celebrated Luigi killing that CEO so maybe humans do just have this innate craving for death as the solution to ultimate wrongs

[onTheBrink 1,851]

2 minutes ago, ALonelyNight said:

In the United States, there is no way to do that. A conviction is a conviction, and overturning a wrongful conviction is a herculean effort in and of itself. Courts are very hesitant to overturn jury verdicts in particular, and even more importantly, once a defendant is convicted, the presumption of innocence disappears as the appeals process drags on, only returning if a new trial is granted, which is far from guaranteed in an adversarial justice system.

To me, that means we need work on strengthening the guardrails so we can uphold this ideal of absolute justice. If we are as civilized as we think we are, we'd strive for that. 

[ALonelyNight 859]

3 minutes ago, onTheBrink said:

If we are as civilized as we think we are, we'd strive for that. 

If we are civilized we'd realize it's a waste of time and energy

[onTheBrink 1,851]

Just now, PartySick said:

I was about to try and make a "vengeance vs justice" argument but then I remembered I absolutely celebrated Luigi killing that CEO so maybe humans do just have this innate craving for death as the solution to ultimate wrongs

YAAAAAS. Honestly come thru, anybody who does that to my daughter is getting DELETED please and thank you