Christa Pike’s execution failed after 2 lethal injections

[Franch Toast 27,808]

This is the second botched attempt at lethal injection in Tennessee this year. 

And yet people will defend this practice. Even if it were successful, there is no proof that capital punishment acts as a deterrent to committing crime or makes the victims' families feel a sense of justice, not to mention the systemic inequalities in the so-called justice system and the innocent people who've ended up death row. 

I am not defending people who've committed brutal, heinous crimes, but I don't believe this practice belong in civil society. 

 

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[Bronco 28,346]

6 minutes ago, Controversiaga said:

Why do I feel like some of yall probably joked about Charlie Kirk’s death (who is an awful person) but now want to protect Christa (who is an awful person + murderer) 

None of us want to protect Christa. 

We just don't want to become her. 

What's the difference between you & Christa if you're advocating for her murder? You think she deserves it. 
She thought the girl deserved it. 

[Controversiaga 17,335]

Just now, Bronco said:

None of us want to protect Christa. 

We just don't want to become her. 

What's the difference between you & Christa if you're advocating for her murder? You think she deserves it. 
She thought the girl deserved it. 

You don’t want to BECOME her??? Then don’t murder someone!!!

I don’t advocate for an innocent person to be murdered. But I do advocate for a murderer to have their life ended as well. What goes around comes around 

[Chromanne 2,807]

3 minutes ago, Bronco said:

What's the difference between you & Christa if you're advocating for her murder? You think she deserves it. 
She thought the girl deserved it. 

Christa ≠ Colleen 

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13 minutes ago, Controversiaga said:

why should Christa be protected from “cruel and unusual” punishment ??? Who the hell do u think she is?

Because it sets a precedent. Making exceptions for one person allows those exceptions to become a rule. The laws exist as they do because society, as a whole, has agreed that if any one of us at any time needed to be punished, then there are boundaries we don't cross, regardless of the crime. This could be because we know that innocent people will be found guilty, or more likely, because we think some day, our loved ones or even ourselves will might have to experience these punishments. 

It doesn't matter how strong the victim's desires for vengeance and retribution are, there are reasons, however nebulous, that we don't allow cruel and unusual punishment.

[Controversiaga 17,335]

1 minute ago, Meruk Holland said:

Because it sets a precedent. Making exceptions for one person allows those exceptions to become a rule. The laws exist as they do because society, as a whole, has agreed that if any one of us at any time needed to be punished, then there are boundaries we don't cross, regardless of the crime. This could be because we know that innocent people will be found guilty, or more likely, because we think some day, our loved ones or even ourselves will might have to experience these punishments. 

It doesn't matter how strong the victim's desires for vengeance and retribution are, there are reasons, however nebulous, that we don't allow cruel and unusual punishment.

If someone is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt , like Christa who even admitted to her crimes, then I support it.

otherwise life in prison is fine too 

[Bronco 28,346]

1 minute ago, Controversiaga said:

You don’t want to BECOME her??? Then don’t murder someone!!!

I'm not. 
I oppose the death penalty. 
 

1 minute ago, Controversiaga said:

I don’t advocate for an innocent person to be murdered. But I do advocate for a murderer to have their life ended as well. What goes around comes around 

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

If you think murderers should have their life ended - should the executioner be executed? 

What defines murder? The US has tried to give the death penalty to people who have killed their abusers. Do they deserve to die for commiting a murder in that case? 

And here's the final thing. Do you think the state should be given the power to kill people it decides should be killed? 
And if you agree with it - how do you prevent the state killing people you don't think deserve it? 

The German people killed up to 2000 people on Kristallnacht because of the assasination of Ernst Vom Rath. The government imprisoned 30,000 jewish men for it and then sent them to the camps because of that assasination. 

In the eyes of the law, they deserved the criminal punishment given out to them. So was it wrong?  

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Just now, Controversiaga said:

If someone is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt , like Christa who even admitted to her crimes, then I support it.

otherwise life in prison is fine too 

Forced confessions, planted and crafted evidence, disallowance of exonerating evidence, lying testimonials, political corruption within the courts and law enforcement, jury tampering. There are many ways for a trial to seem fair and balanced and for it to still not reflect what really happened. Defendants can even believe they really did commit a crime when they didn't.

I'm not saying that's what happened in this case, but these tactics are common in every day cases, let alone murder cases involving the death penalty.

[Controversiaga 17,335]

1 minute ago, Bronco said:

I'm not. 
I oppose the death penalty. 
 

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

If you think murderers should have their life ended - should the executioner be executed? 

What defines murder? The US has tried to give the death penalty to people who have killed their abusers. Do they deserve to die for commiting a murder in that case? 

And here's the final thing. Do you think the state should be given the power to kill people it decides should be killed? 
And if you agree with it - how do you prevent the state killing people you don't think deserve it? 

The German people killed up to 2000 people on Kristallnacht because of the assasination of Ernst Vom Rath. The government imprisoned 30,000 jewish men for it and then sent them to the camps because of that assasination. 

In the eyes of the law, they deserved the criminal punishment given out to them. So was it wrong?  

I think what Christa did is a great definition of murder. Torturer and killed and innocent girl.  There is no defending her.

[Bronco 28,346]

People here talking about justice. 

What justice came to Colleen's family from waiting 30 years for yesterday? 

What justice came to Colleen's family as they had to crowd fund to be able to attend the execution? 

What justice came to Colleen's family as they sat their and watched the execution fail? 

What justice came to the family as they had to watch Christa Pike be given emergency medical treatment? 

And what justice waits for the family as they now will face further years of never ending legal battles if Christa survives? 

30 years they've been deprived of an end to this. And it's not even over yet. 
Life in prison without parole would have ended this 30 years ago. 

[Bronco 28,346]

2 minutes ago, Controversiaga said:

I think what Christa did is a great definition of murder. Torturer and killed and innocent girl.  There is no defending her.

I'm not defending her. 

I'm questioning why we should behave like her. 

Why lower ourself? If we think what she did was immoral - which it is - then why do we wish to do it ourselves? 

If we think she committed a crime against society, why do we want to commit the same crime? 

[Controversiaga 17,335]

Just now, Meruk Holland said:

Forced confessions, planted and crafted evidence, disallowance of exonerating evidence, lying testimonials, political corruption within the courts and law enforcement, jury tampering. There are many ways for a trial to seem fair and balanced and for it to still not reflect what really happened. Defendants can even believe they really did commit a crime when they didn't.

I'm not saying that's what happened in this case, but these tactics are common in every day cases, let alone murder cases involving the death penalty.

There was undeniable evidence that Christa did what she did.  Given her case and the evidence surrounding it, there is no mistake.  
if a case does NOT have this level of strong evidence, then obviously death penalty should be out of the question. 

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2 minutes ago, Controversiaga said:

There was undeniable evidence that Christa did what she did.  Given her case and the evidence surrounding it, there is no mistake.  
if a case does NOT have this level of strong evidence, then obviously death penalty should be out of the question. 

So there's never been a case of faked evidence in the US justice system? 

[Controversiaga 17,335]

3 minutes ago, Bronco said:

People here talking about justice. 

What justice came to Colleen's family from waiting 30 years for yesterday? 

What justice came to Colleen's family as they had to crowd fund to be able to attend the execution? 

What justice came to Colleen's family as they sat their and watched the execution fail? 

What justice came to the family as they had to watch Christa Pike be given emergency medical treatment? 

And what justice waits for the family as they now will face further years of never ending legal battles if Christa survives? 

30 years they've been deprived of an end to this. And it's not even over yet. 
Life in prison without parole would have ended this 30 years ago. 

I’d be damn happy to know that btch is brain dead now and had to suffer through that !! 

[Bronco 28,346]

4 minutes ago, Controversiaga said:

I’d be damn happy to know that btch is brain dead now and had to suffer through that !! 

So you take joy from inflacting harm to others?