Cascio family accuse Michael Jackson of sexual abuse

[VTV 13,928]

I believe that MJ did some form of abuse to them and but I also think that after the settlements from his estate, the Cascios got a bit greedy. 
 

MJ is def on the spectrum and its easy to pin him and his weirdness to that thing. I do think MJ was guilty to some extent and failed to realize what he’s doing is criminal. He was living in his own world in a semi narcissistic way. 
 

I wish him peace tho. And to the “victims”, I wish them healing the way MJ never had. 

[DpHitch1992 1,188]

29 minutes ago, Bronco said:

I'll be honest, your comments towards them read as dismissive of the experiences they have referenced and rude from my perspective.

And I speak as someone who once attacked them (years ago now) on a similar subject to the way you did. 

But having interacted with them in the years since - even if I don't fully take their side or yours in this subject - I think its totally unfair to be going after them and suggesting they are wilfully ignoring CSA & victim blaming for having a different opinion to you on this. And whether you have intended to or not - from an observers point you do come across as dismissive of their experience and as attempting to ignore it and discredit them.

I feel like you’re twisting my words a bit and turning this into something it’s not. I have not dismissed or discredited anyone’s personal experiences whatsoever, and I genuinely have empathy for all CSA survivors.

What I said is that I personally will never understand how someone who understands the reality of CSA can completely dismiss CSA allegations against a celebrity when false accusations are statistically rare to begin with — let alone when the same person has been accused repeatedly over multiple decades by different people. That’s the point I’m making.

Anyway, I'm glad 60 minutes have given the platform for the Casios to speak there truth. 

[onTheBrink 1,284]

26 minutes ago, DpHitch1992 said:

I personally will never understand how someone who understands the reality of CSA can completely dismiss CSA allegations against a celebrity when false accusations are statistically rare to begin with — let alone when the same person has been accused repeatedly over multiple decades by different people. That’s the point I’m making.

That might be too much spotlight for them to be comfortable with when it's about something so personal, especially so publicly? That spotlight could feel too hot gurl 

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4 hours ago, PartySick said:

That's the funny thing. Courts have already ruled against Robson and Safechuck when they sued for millions that even if MJ did do these things (he didn't, but if he had) the estate bears zero responsibility.

That's why they always end up hitting the media. They have to sell their story 'cause they won't get a dime in court  

What's even funnier is I have a feeling this new generation of fans will actually be smart enough to see through this garbage unlike the fools falling for it for the fourth time.

I think that this post, unintentionally, dismisses how difficult abuse cases are to prosecute. 
 

Abuse usually occurs with no other witnesses, delayed disclosure to CSA is extremely common (on average 7 years after the abuse ends). Abusers often also build trust, isolate the child and normalise boundary violations, making affection towards the abuser as well as allegations being made and retracted pretty common.

Mix that in with your abuser being the most beloved superstar in history and there is a complexity that makes it difficult for people to come forward let alone receive justice. 
 

Rather than trying to piece together what people are thinking let’s look at some disturbing facts about MJ and his cases.

1. There is no dispute that MJ, as a grown man, slept in the same bed as children.

2. At least eight of the children he slept with have now accused MJ of sexual abuse.

3. Jordie Chandler was able to draw a picture of MJ’s genitalia that, when investigated, matched the unique vitiligo markings on MJ’s genitalia. 

4. The hallway leading to Jackson’s bedroom included cameras and wires that would trigger ding dong sounds to alert of anyone approaching.

5. Jackson kept  S&M bondage photos and a study of naked boys, among other ****ographic material next to his bed. Fingerprints evidence shows MJ and children’s finger prints on this material. Sculptures of naked women with ball gags in their mouth were displayed in full view in the bedroom he slept with children in.

6. Parents were provided expensive gifts including houses, diamonds and money while Jackson had access to the children. Two of the parents later ended their own life, estranged from their sons.

Jackson isolating these children from their parents, forming these strong close relationships with children and sleeping in bed with them all throw up massive red flags that deserve serious scrutiny.

I don’t know how anyone can see a grown man cry about how MJ took his “innocence and his manhood” and expressing shame that as a father his children will grow up to learn what happened to him (which he obviously sees as emasculating and shameful to this day) and dismiss them so flippantly as money hungry.

MJ was a ground breaking artist that brought joy to a lot of people. He was also a deeply flawed person and a sick predator. 

If MJ was any other person his behaviour towards children would not have been tolerated or excused as him simply being a child at heart. 

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34 minutes ago, VTV said:

I believe that MJ did some form of abuse to them and but I also think that after the settlements from his estate, the Cascios got a bit greedy. 
 

MJ is def on the spectrum and its easy to pin him and his weirdness to that thing. I do think MJ was guilty to some extent and failed to realize what he’s doing is criminal. He was living in his own world in a semi narcissistic way. 
 

I wish him peace tho. And to the “victims”, I wish them healing the way MJ never had. 

If you believe that MJ did some form of abuse on them, I’d be careful of calling them “greedy” and placing “victims” in quotation marks.

If we can accept the Jackson family can benefit from the millions MJ generates, I think we can also agree victims of his abuse should also receive some benefit. 

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I really don’t know if he is innocent in all of this. I can definitely believe people were out to get him. That said, some of his behaviour was very questionable. 

He admitted to sleeping in the same bed as kids. If they aren’t related to you, that’s a massive red flag. I heard there was also po*n magazines found in his house and some of them had nude children… I also read that detectives found child fingerprints on it. Yikes…

Michael was asked about this in an interview and he said something along the lines of getting so much fan mail he can’t possibly screen it all… I find that hard to believe.

His former maid also said she would find kid underwear in his room.

Again, we will never know the 100% truth but there is too much red flags that make it probable he might have done something wrong.

Any adult, mom, dad would be very critical of an old man sleeping with their children if they aren’t related….

If the average Joe had similar accusations, I think everyone would say they are guilty. 

[AVeryGagaHolyDick 32,010]

I genuinely don't know what to believe...

The fact that he slept with children really doesn't shock me at all, not everything has to be sexual. I don't think kids chase privacy like teenagers do ; if you're a normal person (as in not a pedophile), the only reasons to avoid sleeping with children are A/ because YOU need your own privacy or dislike children's company or B/ because you don't want to be accused of terrible things, to protect yourself

But there's quite a lot of complains... And at the same time, the timing feels very convenient... but you never know, maybe they were suddenly triggered by MJ's exposition? That's how trauma often works, one thing happens (here, the movie being released and successful) and all the dark experiences you'd hidden to yourself come back to bite you. And the younger generation discovering him and falling in love with him would be the perfect trigger for these traumas to show up.

Either way, I'm not buying or streaming his work, so it's not like I really have a “choice” to make, but I'd certainly like to know for sure what happened or not, just for the victims (if they're real) to be heard and believed after experiencing something so horribly life-changing. Especially as a kid, you think these things are normal and you're the one who's not normal, and it creates a deep inner conflict and/or makes you a socially inapropriate adult later in life

 

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[Petie Estie 5,707]

I've watched documentaries about the abuse and fan docs "proving" it's all lies and I believe the victims 🤷‍♂️

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9 hours ago, timdrake said:

I don’t believe them for a second. They’re longtime grifters of the estate in my opinion. Like, they put songs on the 2010 Michael posthumous album that were sung by a soundalike and NOT Michael. They’re scammers. (Even Michael’s own family took issue with the authenticity of these songs, so it’s not like they were acting in the interest of the family/estate.)

Also Frank Cascio released his “My Friend Michael” book less than a year after MJ’s death, profiting off his dead “friend”. 

I’m very sensitive to the topic of SA, as I’ve seen it destroy the lives of people around me, but I don’t trust these scammers one bit. Also they waited until the release of the movie to come out with this report… convenient.

Get what you are saying 

BUT

those photos are incredibly disturbing they can't be excused. Paris is acknowledging it now too. Those photos man… they are drugged af. 

[MACATL 2,128]

I think the unconditional defense of MJ by the GP is an interesting case study.  

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46 minutes ago, MACATL said:

I think the unconditional defense of MJ by the GP is an interesting case study.  

I agree. Classic halo effect. Where there’s fire, there’s smoke. 

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10 hours ago, Bebe said:

You think every accusation against Michael is a money grab? There certainly are a number at this point and he isn’t the only rich person in the world.

If you watch the piece, the family discusses the grooming and training and explain the pressure they felt to defend him. 

Michael was a genius and one of a generational talent. His work is groundbreaking and super progressive for its time. It’s hard to reconcile that with the idea he is an abuser, but I would encourage you to watch the interview with an open mind.

Where did they say every accusation? They said this specific family

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1 hour ago, 50 Ft Queenie said:

Paris is acknowledging it now too.

Can you share a link re: this? I couldn't find anything 

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6 hours ago, LilMonst3r said:

The fact some people say “he was a kid at heart, he was stunted” 

He wasn't a kids at heart when he was hunting down young female fans calling them “fishies”. Like if he really was that stunted Why did he function perfectly in an adult world? I mean if he was such a stunted individual who could only play with children why the hell was he also sharing adult spaces and doing Adult things. 
 

someone who was stunted would literally act like a child all the time, not even probably think about sex in the way Michael did. He put on the innocent adult with a lost childhood mask on when it was convenient to him and became a predator when he wanted to. Its literally documented. 

Im not sure thats quite how stunted growth would work. Id imagine ud get a weird combination of infantile traits with some adulthood as well. Imagining u would remain exactly as a standars kid somehow sounds like severely over simplifying how those kinds of mental conditions would evolve