Billie Eilish Responded To Criticism For Recent Vegan Statement: I Don't Give A Fxck!

[Controversiaga 13,790]

I really wish that being vegan could be more convenient. But it’s not, sadly. Animal products are everywhere and in everything and so many vegan meals are unbalanced and unfulfilling. I’d love to be animal product free- it’s just not very accessible unfortunately.

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,439]

4 hours ago, Ziggy said:

That’s all discourse is, though. In her case she’s just standing by her values which whether they’re yours or not has to be more commendable than the bs or spins we get these days

Standing by her values in a way that stands virtually no chance of changing minds or material outcomes (which, imo, is what discourse is or should be about, especially in the context of activism)

Edited May 8 by Ladle Ghoulash

[Bebe 17,282]

12 minutes ago, River said:

If it's impossible to you to make a discussion about REAL people, then well.. 

But let's go on with your game.

My neighbors are refugees from Syria, they have 3 kids and 1 is on their way, only the father is working, now it's Switzerland so everything is expensive but yet salaries are high, but he works at nights and his salary is 90k CHF / year, so the price of meat is in average 50 CHF / kilo, price of chicken breast is in average 5.50 CHF / 500g, so they eat chicken and not meat, because it's more affordable to them.

Pasta + lentils + canned tomato meal for 5 people would cost them 11 CHF for the total ingredients.

So Chicken breast for lunch is cheaper.

Also, add to that around 1900 CHF rent + almost 2000 for monthly health insurance and we don't consider the deductible for each family member.

then add to that education payments.

clothes.

electricity.

phones + internet + tv subscriptions.

and of course some nice things for the kids here and there.

So.. how can this family, real family, not making them up, eat vegan meals for breakfast, lunch and dinner, when it's more expensive than a simple chicken breast?

Love it!!! THANK YOU!

I won’t spend too much time on your shaky food prices as I just looked it up here for 2026 prices and it doesn’t quite add up. https://rappn.ch/en/grocery-basket-comparison-switzerland

Chicken breast is not usually “cheaper” than vegan staples. Budget chicken is around CHF 11.50/kg while canned tomatoes can be around CHF 1.50/400g, and pasta/lentils/beans/rice are typically among the cheapest calories and proteins.

What I will do is imagine that your math did work out and that it’s impossible for them to go vegan and need to survive from animal products. In that case, they are allowed to eat to survive whether that’s vegan or not! 

Now let’s stop arguing against a straw man position nobody holds and address the diets of the majority of people living in food secure countries.  Let’s also stop weaponising poverty against veganism. Instead let’s work to fix poverty and food access while recognising that cheap plant-based staples are usually among the most affordable foods available.

[River 125,043]

1 minute ago, Bebe said:

Love it!!! THANK YOU!

I won’t spend too much time on your shaky food prices as I just looked it up here for 2026 prices and it doesn’t quite add up. https://rappn.ch/en/grocery-basket-comparison-switzerland

Chicken breast is not usually “cheaper” than vegan staples. Budget chicken is around CHF 11.50/kg while canned tomatoes can be around CHF 1.50/400g, and pasta/lentils/beans/rice are typically among the cheapest calories and proteins.

What I will do is imagine that your math did work out and that it’s impossible for them to go vegan and need to survive from animal products. In that case, they are allowed to eat to survive whether that’s vegan or not! 

Now let’s stop arguing against a straw man position nobody holds and address the diets of the majority of people living in food secure countries.  Let’s also stop weaponising poverty against veganism. Instead let’s work to fix poverty and food access while recognising that cheap plant-based staples are usually among the most affordable foods available.

Rappn list is not really accurate, it's not considering a few factors like the budget brands of some supermarkets and the location, because some products are cheaper in certain cantons.

I gave the prices through chatgpt from my branches of supermarkets.

We can fight poverty and accessible plant based food to them, but it doesn't mean that they will stick with plant based diet.

Along with socio-economical factor, there is the cultural one, the religious one, health and education.

So I'm not saying that it's impossible, but it's very unlikely that my neighbors would move to a plant based diet.

The approach should be to reduce the meat consumption to a healthier amount.

 

At the same time like I said, we all should fight to make changes in the meat industry, even if it's "hypocritical", the goal to globally stop meat consumption and slaughter, is unrealistic. but to focus on changing the way the animals are treated until the slaughter, and how they are being killed, to a more ethical and moral ways is something more doable imo.

I'm eating meat, but I reduced my consumption overall and I refuse to eat lobsters and crabs for example.

so that's why I think Billie is wrong in her approach, she didn't save 1 single animal, she didn't make people aware of the way the animal suffers. the contrary, she created an antagonism and negative discussion, and she put all the vegans in the front row in front of an angry mob.

And the only thing she gained, it's a personal one, people are talking about her and her ego climbed a few steps higher.

 

[Bebe 17,282]

24 minutes ago, River said:

Rappn list is not really accurate, it's not considering a few factors like the budget brands of some supermarkets and the location, because some products are cheaper in certain cantons.

I gave the prices through chatgpt from my branches of supermarkets.

We can fight poverty and accessible plant based food to them, but it doesn't mean that they will stick with plant based diet.

Along with socio-economical factor, there is the cultural one, the religious one, health and education.

So I'm not saying that it's impossible, but it's very unlikely that my neighbors would move to a plant based diet.

The approach should be to reduce the meat consumption to a healthier amount.

 

At the same time like I said, we all should fight to make changes in the meat industry, even if it's "hypocritical", the goal to globally stop meat consumption and slaughter, is unrealistic. but to focus on changing the way the animals are treated until the slaughter, and how they are being killed, to a more ethical and moral ways is something more doable imo.

I'm eating meat, but I reduced my consumption overall and I refuse to eat lobsters and crabs for example.

so that's why I think Billie is wrong in her approach, she didn't save 1 single animal, she didn't make people aware of the way the animal suffers. the contrary, she created an antagonism and negative discussion, and she put all the vegans in the front row in front of an angry mob.

And the only thing she gained, it's a personal one, people are talking about her and her ego climbed a few steps higher.

 

Now we are moving goal posts, before it was that people could not afford to go vegan, despite vegan staples being among the cheapest food items available globally. Will point out again, that this was an argument made against a straw man position - not a position anyone holds.

Now the argument isn’t that Billie shouldn’t have said what she said because some people don’t have a choice and instead it’s become “I don’t think it’s likely my neighbours will go vegan” which may be true but is irrelevant.

“The approach should be to reduce the meat consumption to a healthier amount.”

This I agree with! For most in food secure countries this means consuming no meat and finding protein alternatives such as tofu and legumes that require no animal captivity and slaughter. Would you not agree? You have other options.

If you refuse to eat lobsters and crabs why not go the step further and refuse to eat cows, pigs and chickens? 
 

I like Billie’s tone. As such a big celebrity, her voice has not only created a lot of discussion but is also moving the needle culturally towards treating those that are pro-animal abuse and pro-unnecessary animal suffering with contempt. We’ve established that there are other, often cheaper, alternatives to meat and so I think those that defend the unnecessary abuse of animals are deserving of some level of disdain.

For any other moral conversation if someone held the position that their minimal personal pleasure was worth voluntarily engaging with a system of violence, exploitation, suffering and slaughter they would be judged harshly for it. 

Her words have certainly sparked a lot of conversation around ethical food consumption and frankly if your best contribution is “I don’t like HOW she said it” then you are not engaging with the topic in any meaningful sense and are simply arguing against her tone

Edited May 8 by Bebe

[elegidadedios 4,522]

She is just so pathetic. Like every single time a person holds themselves to high standards and morals, more inconsistencies and gaps will be found. Projecting herself as a truther when she's just a capitalist barbie is really funny. Thank god I don't stan a woman trying to tell her audience what's good or bad on such personal interests takes.

Edited May 8 by elegidadedios

[elegidadedios 4,522]

1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Standing by her values in a way that stands virtually no chance of changing minds or material outcomes (which, imo, is what discourse is or should be about, especially in the context of activism)

Is she doing activism or is she just a 16yo twitter user from 2015 believing to be the next world hero... And I say this by my own experience

Edited May 8 by elegidadedios

[elegidadedios 4,522]

Bronco and Ladle, my sisters ❤️

Together we are

[Bronco 21,492]

2 minutes ago, elegidadedios said:

Bronco and Ladle, my sisters ❤️

Together we are

Dibs on buttercup

[elegidadedios 4,522]

4 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Dibs on buttercup

I had to look up what that means sorry 😭 in spanish we call her "cáctus" (cactus) lol

Anyways yeah it suits you yayyy

[Gaga2645 2,291]

I get what she’s saying but it’s dismissive of indigenous & religious cultures in the way that meat is prepared and animals are honored/prayed over/to. It’s arrogant

Edited May 8 by Gaga2645

[elegidadedios 4,522]

Also wasn't she on Hot Ones? I'm assuming she obviously did vegan wings but isn't it funny to have this discourse and sitting in front of someone else eating chicken wings while interviewing you and all of a sudden everything is full of joy and happiness?

Yikes...

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,439]

52 minutes ago, elegidadedios said:

I had to look up what that means sorry 😭 in spanish we call her "cáctus" (cactus) lol

Anyways yeah it suits you yayyy

Why is “cactus” sending me 😭

[Bronco 21,492]

5 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

Why is “cactus” sending me 😭

Why is it so right

[Ladle Ghoulash 45,439]

1 minute ago, Bronco said:

Why is it so right

Also Bronco and cactus? On brand for a western theme, tbh.