Billie: “You can eat meat. You can love animals. But you can’t do boooooooooth.”

[Bebe 17,289]

Just now, elegidadedios said:

Are you seriously asking me such an obvious question or at this point just rage baiting?

And by the way I didn't say it would be detrimental

I’m being very genuine. You think you are being clever but you haven’t refuted anything I’ve said or built a coherent argument. 
 

I asked you what was stopping you from being vegan, you advised you can defend your diet because you “care more” about the working class but are unable to demonstrate how you going vegan would be harmful to the working class? 
 

How about, go vegan AND continue caring about the working class?

[apollorowling 903]

5 minutes ago, Bebe said:

I’m being very genuine. You think you are being clever but you haven’t refuted anything I’ve said or built a coherent argument. 
 

I asked you what was stopping you from being vegan, you advised you can defend your diet because you “care more” about the working class but are unable to demonstrate how you going vegan would be harmful to the working class? 
 

How about, go vegan AND continue caring about the working class?

Bebe, just STFU. No one cares if you're vegan.

Edited April 29 by apollorowling

[Bebe 17,289]

5 minutes ago, elegidadedios said:

"you can go vegan!" bitch i don't want to

And this is what I meant in our first interaction, not at all interested in a good faith conversation.

We know you don’t want to, but your choices are destroying the environment and contributing to the pain and suffering of countless sentient beings.

If the only reaction you can muster is cosplaying as an impoverished mother to justify your eating habits or posting “I like eating meat” *sassy gif* then it speaks more about your level of emotional and general intelligence than anything else.

[elegidadedios 4,902]

ok let's make this CLEAR

do i think the level of consumption we as a society make of meat is way too over the top? absolutely, i do consider we progressively should reduce it

do i think the animal abuse and exploitation is by any mean good? not at all, macro farms are a serious issue and I do believe other ways of producing meat have to be consider (although at a large scale i know that'd be hard; there has to be more ethical ways of doing so regardless)

i don't rely on veganism mostly because its principle of considering animals and humans equal beings doesn't sit right with me. i care about environment and how to live on this world on a more sustainable way

Edited April 29 by elegidadedios

[Bebe 17,289]

2 minutes ago, apollorowling said:

Bebe, just STFU. No one cares if you're vegan.

Girl, nobody is talking to you. If you cannot keep up stay out of it. 

[elegidadedios 4,902]

Just now, Bebe said:

We know you don’t want to

Girl is the "we" in the room with us

[elegidadedios 4,902]

1 minute ago, Bebe said:

And this is what I meant in our first interaction, not at all interested in a good faith conversation.

We know you don’t want to, but your choices are destroying the environment and contributing to the pain and suffering of countless sentient beings.

If the only reaction you can muster is cosplaying as an impoverished mother to justify your eating habits or posting “I like eating meat” *sassy gif* then it speaks more about your level of emotional and general intelligence than anything else.

Girl i'm not trying to justify why I eat meat that's the whole point. I do it cause I want to full stop

[apollorowling 903]

Just now, Bebe said:

Girl, nobody is talking to you. If you cannot keep up stay out of it. 

Why are you commenting on a forum then? If you want a private conversation, ask for her phone number. Your point of view seems simply absurd to me. Come to Argentina anytime you want; in the slums, kids gather to hunt rats and pigeons to make stew because of the poverty there.

[elegidadedios 4,902]

9 minutes ago, Bebe said:

I asked you what was stopping you from being vegan

The reasonable belief I've got that an animal is not on the same level to a human being in terms of the fact that we all live in a society where we all naturally care about relatives. We're not the same. That's what's stopping me, darling

[Bronco 25,131]

16 minutes ago, TheSine said:

Only if we're disrespectful and throwing things out of proportion

Ill start the countdown

[apollorowling 903]

5 minutes ago, elegidadedios said:

ok let's make this CLEAR

do i think the level of consumption we as a society make of meat is wat too over the top? absolutely, i do consider we progressively should reduce It

do i think the animal abuse and exploitation is by any mean good? not at all, macro farms are a serious issue and I do believe other ways of producing meat have to be consider (although at a large scale i know that'd be hard; there has to be more ethical ways of doing so regardless)

i don't rely on veganism mostly because its principle of considering animals and humans equal beings doesn't sit right with me. i care about environment and how to live on this world on a more sustainable way

WE ARE NOT THE SAME AS ANIMALS. If there were another animal more evolved than us, they would probably eat us too. But vegan people doesn't understand that 😂

[Bebe 17,289]

Just now, elegidadedios said:

ok let's make this CLEAR

do i think the level of consumption we as a society make of meat is wat too over the top? absolutely, i do consider we progressively should reduce It

do i think the animal abuse and exploitation is by any mean good? not at all, macro farms are a serious issue and I do believe other ways of producing meat have to be consider (although at a large scale i know that'd be hard; there has to be more ethical ways of doing so regardless)

i don't rely on veganism mostly because its principle of considering animals and humans equal beings doesn't sit right with me. i care about environment and how to live on this world on a more sustainable way

If animal abuse and exploitation is good why do you currently support the industry by consuming animal products? Why just reduce it? Why not eliminate

“ I do believe other ways of producing meat”

“there has to be more ethical ways of doing so regardless”

Nobody here has been able to provide a way because it isn’t possible. It doesn’t make sense. Animal agriculture is environmentally damaging because it asks the planet to do something deeply inefficient: grow huge amounts of plants, feed them to animals, use vast land and water resources, produce methane and manure, then get a fraction of those calories back as meat, dairy, or eggs.

Animal agriculture can NEVER be more environmentally responsible and sustainable than plant based. So, if like you say, you “care about environment and how to live on this world on a more sustainable way” go vegan!

You don’t need to consider animals equal to human, you can simply accept that we should reduce all unnecessary suffering and that is is not necessary to eat animals.

[Bebe 17,289]

7 minutes ago, apollorowling said:

Why are you commenting on a forum then? If you want a private conversation, ask for her phone number. Your point of view seems simply absurd to me. Come to Argentina anytime you want; in the slums, kids gather to hunt rats and pigeons to make stew because of the poverty there.

Are you hunting rats and pigeons to make stew? I mean it’s so telling that everyone here has to go to such extremes to justify their own diet.

You are not in a survival situation, you can choose the oat milk/soy milk/almond milk instead.

[Bebe 17,289]

8 minutes ago, elegidadedios said:

The reasonable belief I've got that an animal is not on the same level to a human being in terms of the fact that we all live in a society where we all naturally care about relatives. We're not the same. That's what's stopping me, darling

Why is that morally relevant? It’s not. Animal cruelty is sick, these are sentient creatures that can feel physical and psychological pain. 

[elegidadedios 4,902]

"go vegan" 

why don't you go clever instead i'm tiredddddddddd bring me a beer