xxxdreams 168 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 20 hours ago, Bronco said: Its also natural for new pop girls to be compared to older names in the music industry. Especially when they are heavily produced acts that fall into archetypes reflected by previous acts or originated by previous acts. The pop girls that survive it (like Gaga for example) show they have something unique about them and their artistry. Yup, yup.. you’ve actually managed to put it together in such a nice and short way and I completely agree. 20 hours ago, Bronco said: The ones that end up fading are the ones who never break free of the mould set out by their record label. Atm, Addison ain't showing she's got something unique to contribute. So I'm personally not convinced she's got staying power. I am actually incredibly rooting for her because she has a lot of things going for her, aside from my subjective opinions on liking her music, album and whole vibe and aesthetic. In a world of nepo babies, this is a girl who genuinely started from nothing. Her family is a mess, her parents are both massive losers. And she has managed to do something pretty substantial with her life. I'd respect her for that even if I didn't like her music. If she had just stayed doing those TikTok dances, I wouldn't care, but she really took that random fame and made something from it. She is genuinely attempting to do something with her life and I respect it. Her debut album was made by three women including her and I respect her so much for making that creative decision. I want to see where she goes because I think she's doing some interesting stuff. 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadrian 2,636 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 I have a feeling she's going to end up in a situation similar to Ava Max. rosetta stone is rolling in her grave rn 🙏🥀🥀 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 53,109 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 22 minutes ago, xxxdreams said: Girl I've been saying this I obviously still hold my opinions from that huge wall of text I made under that Addison post, and they do not contradict each other Yes, they do lol. You fought me tooth and nail for saying her performance was lackluster and now you’ve basically outright admitted it. Edited March 24 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 53,109 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 20 hours ago, Bronco said: Its also natural for new pop girls to be compared to older names in the music industry. Especially when they are heavily produced acts that fall into archetypes reflected by previous acts or originated by previous acts. The pop girls that survive it (like Gaga for example) show they have something unique about them and their artistry. The ones that end up fading are the ones who never break free of the mould set out by their record label. Atm, Addison ain't showing she's got something unique to contribute. So I'm personally not convinced she's got staying power. This is pretty much exactly how I feel, especially the last part. Part of the reason why Gaga has had such longevity is a combination of strong vision, business skills, ambition, versatility, and being multitalented. Addison, imo, doesn’t really have any of that going for her except she’s slightly more ambitious than some of her peers (which, imo, isn’t really saying much) We have forgotten our public MANNERS 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxdreams 168 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Yes, they do lol. You fought me tooth and nail for saying her performance was lackluster and now you’ve basically outright admitted it. Oh so you actually didn’t read anything I wrote then. Here are some of the things I said back then. I’ve been saying the exact same stuff, so I recommend going back to read it again. Also, I’m pretty sure the “performance being lackluster” part was said from a third person point of view, since I was talking about what people seem to think before sharing my own opinion. I even used the exact same phrase, “she can’t perform or dance like Britney,” for the second time. Y'all didn't get my point. https://imgur.com/gallery/addison-rae-oQi1sIE NOTE: I’m not sure why the image feature on GagaDaily is acting up, but it won’t let me embed images in my post or link them from another site. You’ll have to copy and paste the link instead. I’m sorry Edited March 24 by xxxdreams Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
high culture 2,362 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 This is wild. I was insanely impressed with the quality of her show when she was Chicago last year, especially for a debut tour. I think she's a bright star and will go far, all the pop girls get hate 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cssomeone 1,717 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) I was literally there and I can say: I could tell she used playback for the biggest part of the performance and she was out of tune when she sang live But, for me who wasn't there to see her (I wanted to see Lorde and Tyler, The Creator) and who only knew three songs of hers (Fame is a Gun, Aquamarine and Diet Pepsi), it was an entertaining show and I could tell the audience was engaged. Edited March 24 by Cssomeone Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 53,109 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 12 minutes ago, xxxdreams said: Oh so you actually didn’t read anything I wrote then. Here are some of the things I said back then. I’ve been saying the exact same stuff, so I recommend going back to read it again. Also, I’m pretty sure the “performance being lackluster” part was said from a third person point of view, since I was talking about what people seem to think before sharing my own opinion. I even used the exact same phrase, “she can’t perform or dance like Britney,” for the second time. Y'all didn't get my point. https://imgur.com/gallery/addison-rae-oQi1sIE NOTE: I’m not sure why the image feature on GagaDaily is acting up, but it won’t let me embed images in my post or link them from another site. You’ll have to copy and paste the link instead. I’m sorry Ngl the smug condescension and pedantry are absolutely off the charts lmao. Your original comments were essentially a litany of excuses justifying the lack of performance quality and more or less insisting that the bar be lowered so she can step over it. In this thread, you did also, effectively, concede that it was essentially lackluster (gave her modest points for not lipsyncing, but conceding that it is “true to a degree” that her performances are lackluster). Again, I respect you no longer making excuses and side stepping the criticism, but condescendingly claiming your point has been misunderstood to evade that ain’t gonna work lol. Edited March 24 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxdreams 168 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Ngl the smug condescension is absolutely off the charts lmao. Your original comments were essentially a litany of excuses justifying the lack of performance quality and more or less insisting that the bar be lowered so she can step over it. In this thread, you did also, effectively, concede that it was essentially lackluster (gave her modest points for not lipsyncing, but conceding that it is “true to a degree” that her performances are lackluster). You can’t be mad at me for sounding condescending when you completely don’t get what I’ve been saying for the past few days, and still aren’t getting it now, while arguing about completely different stuff and acting like I’m doing a 180 or contradicting myself. I’m just going to ask you this. Can you point out where I negatively “excused” her lack of performance quality and insisted that the bar be lowered so she could step over it? I’ve been saying that she can’t perform or dance like Britney, and that she is a newer artist who is still coming into her own. And yes, I did say it is true to a degree because, as I’ve been saying, she can’t dance or perform like Britney, which was an essential part of Britney Spears. People don’t think she has the stage presence to live up to what she references, and also the vocals, which is one thing she shares with Britney, as I said. Both of them are lacking in that regard, as I said. You said that I fought tooth and nail over her performance being called lackluster, but that’s not how that started. Let me remind you. In a post about Addison at Argentina Lollapalooza, because of the comments on the post and the source itself, I said that you guys would hate Britney, since a lot of the same comments being made about her voice were also said about Britney, and Addison clearly references Britney a lot in her performances. You then misunderstood me as if I were comparing them and said that Britney could actually sing, perform, and make good music. The thing is, that was never my point. I wasn’t comparing them. I was drawing similarities and pointing to more of a student and teacher relationship. I conceded that Britney is obviously a much better performer, but music is subjective, and Britney’s vocals aren’t exactly the best. Then you said you’re not even a Britney stan, but on every level, Britney is more talented and interesting than Addison. That’s when I wrote that long response explaining that I’m not comparing them in terms of performance, singing, or music quality. I’m pointing out that Addison references Britney a lot as an artist, clearly studies her, and shares many similarities in her artistry. She’s a true Britney acolyte, not Britney’s second coming or a new pop icon. You misunderstood my point back then and ran with it, and you’re still doing it now despite my attempts to make myself understood. https://imgur.com/gallery/ar-Xn9hcak NOTE: I’m not sure why the image feature on GagaDaily is acting up, but it won’t let me embed images in my post or link them from another site. You’ll have to copy and paste the link instead. Edited March 24 by xxxdreams Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 25,129 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 This is better than her festival set The gays know how to party 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxdreams 168 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 minute ago, Bronco said: This is better than her festival set Like I'm sorry but I came here with the receipts. You aren't gonna act like I'm contradicting myself or arguing about whatever you've conducted in your head by misinterpreting me when I'm making the exact same sentences I made two days ago, word for word. There is no nuance allowed, apparently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 53,109 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 28 minutes ago, xxxdreams said: You can’t be mad at me for sounding condescending when you completely don’t get what I’ve been saying for the past few days, and still aren’t getting it now, while arguing about completely different stuff and acting like I’m doing a 180 or contradicting myself. I’m just going to ask you this. Can you point out where I negatively “excused” her lack of performance quality and insisted that the bar be lowered so she could step over it? I’ve been saying that she can’t perform or dance like Britney, and that she is a newer artist who is still coming into her own. And yes, I did say it is true to a degree because, as I’ve been saying, she can’t dance or perform like Britney, which was an essential part of Britney Spears. People don’t think she has the stage presence to live up to what she references, and also the vocals, which is one thing she shares with Britney, as I said. Both of them are lacking in that regard, as I said. You said that I fought tooth and nail over her performance being called lackluster, but that’s not how that started. Let me remind you. In a post about Addison at Argentina Lollapalooza, because of the comments on the post and the source itself, I said that you guys would hate Britney, since a lot of the same comments being made about her voice were also said about Britney, and Addison clearly references Britney a lot in her performances. You then misunderstood me as if I were comparing them and said that Britney could actually sing, perform, and make good music. The thing is, that was never my point. I wasn’t comparing them. I was drawing similarities and pointing to more of a student and teacher relationship. I conceded that Britney is obviously a much better performer, but music is subjective, and Britney’s vocals aren’t exactly the best. Then you said you’re not even a Britney stan, but on every level, Britney is more talented and interesting than Addison. That’s when I wrote that long response explaining that I’m not comparing them in terms of performance, singing, or music quality. I’m pointing out that Addison references Britney a lot as an artist, clearly studies her, and shares many similarities in her artistry. She’s a true Britney acolyte, not Britney’s second coming or a new pop icon. You misunderstood my point back then and ran with it, and you’re still doing it now despite my attempts to make myself understood. https://imgur.com/gallery/ar-Xn9hcak NOTE: I’m not sure why the image feature on GagaDaily is acting up, but it won’t let me embed images in my post or link them from another site. You’ll have to copy and paste the link instead. You excused it by saying “she’s early on in her career,” “rising performer” etc. The Britney thing was not a misunderstanding, given that you were basically making a strawman argument assuming *why* people disliked her performances by making a narrow and initially undefined comparison between Addison and Britney only to insist, with each interpretation of your Rorschach test of a comment that “no, THAT’s not what I meant.” Then, whenever someone merely interpreted the comparison between the artists, instead of allowing for disagreement in the understanding of the artists and the points comparison between them you, as you are now, continued to make a series of winding and evasive arguments to avoid allowing someone to simply *disagree* while doubling down on condescension and pedantry. Just shell games and shifting goalposts all the way down. But anyway, glad you’ve softened on the quality of her performances. Couldn’t agree more. Edited March 24 by Ladle Ghoulash We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 53,109 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 13 minutes ago, Bronco said: This is better than her festival set Tbf, watching the grass grow would be better than the set lol We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 25,129 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 9 minutes ago, xxxdreams said: Like I'm sorry but I came here with the receipts. You aren't gonna act like I'm contradicting myself or arguing about whatever you've conducted in your head by misinterpreting me when I'm making the exact same sentences I made two days ago, word for word. There is no nuance allowed, apparently. I aint arguing with you sis why you quoting me. Stick to fighting Patti Lupone The gays know how to party 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxdreams 168 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Just now, Ladle Ghoulash said: You excused it by saying “she’s early on in her career,” “rising performer” etc. The Britney thing was not a misunderstanding, given that you were basically making a strawman argument assuming why people disliked her performances and then, as you are now, continued to make a series of winding and evasive arguments to avoid allowing someone to simply *disagree* without the doubling down on condescension and pedantry. Just shell games and shifting goalposts all the way down. But anyway, glad you’ve softened on the quality of her performances. Couldn’t agree more. There are 2 kinds of excuses. A neutral or positive excuse or a negative excuse, and I made that clear by saying I never negatively excused that. A neutral or positive excuse would be, “I couldn’t do my homework because my house was on fire” and a negative one would be, “I couldn’t do my homework because my dog was looking sad.” I’m sorry if you expect popstars to be Celine Dion and Whitney Houston level vocalists and dance like Michael Jackson or Britney Spears from day 1. Obviously newer artists will be more inexperienced and have lower quality compared to legends like Britney. Incredible how you talk about a strawman argument considering that’s what you’ve been making. I’m drawing similarities between the attacks made on Britney and Addison, their artistry and Addison’s performances, and suddenly I’m lowering the bar because of my own feelings so that she can step over it and saying that she’s Britney reborn or she’s a Pop icon diva legend queen. My comment was going off of what people said in the post that reminded me of what people said about Britney, and Addison’s relationship with Britney’s artistry which made me post that comment which I meticulously explained but somehow you still missed the mark so here we are. A strawman’s key features are literally distortion, exaggeration and making it easier to attack. Guess which ones you’ve successfully landed on I love how you talk about shell games and shifting goalposts while you’re still talking about the quality of Addison’s performance when I said multiple times that was not what my point was at that point at all and provided the receipts where I’m saying that. I’m sorry but this is literally completely textbook deflection and you’re obviously not arguing in good faith but who cares Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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