Tourette's activist shouts N-word during BAFTAs

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17 minutes ago, littlepotter said:

So is the amount of pretending like black people should just smile and nod

Whats the solution here? 

Racism is absolutely repugnant and people shouldn't have to experience it. 

But there's literally no way to prevent someone's tourette's tics. Tourettes isn't a controllable condition, attempting to surpress tics can be physically painful to people with tourettes. 

This isn't John Wayne trying to attack a native actress on stage. This is a man with tourettes experiencing a tic. 

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23 minutes ago, littlepotter said:

I don't know about yall but if I was on that stage and someone shouted f@gg0t i would quite simply not be graceful about it. Of the hundreds of thousands of words in your lexicon your brain chose that one when you saw me? 

Yes that's the point, his condition means you say the worst possible thing at that moment and you have no control over it. He also said "**** the queen" when he met the queen. So yes he probably would say the f slur meeting a gay person, because that's the worst thing he can say, not because he's homophobic. 

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54 minutes ago, littlepotter said:

I don't know about yall but if I was on that stage and someone shouted f@gg0t i would quite simply not be graceful about it. Of the hundreds of thousands of words in your lexicon your brain chose that one when you saw me? Why didn't he shout the N word at any other point in the ceremony? I understand that he can't control it but I don't see how you can argue that there's no racism behind it when it only happened when he saw people the slur discriminates against lmao. Unfortunate situation for all involced but I don't think his condition absolves him from issuing an immediate apology.

From my own experience, the things I said when I had strong symptoms were said because those words and sounds would be inappropriate in exactly those situations. For example, I won't be making weird sounds when I was alone in my room, but when there were people around me. Not sure how that works, or why that happens; would love to be enlightened by a medical expert. But I feel like it's a circumstantial response - the person said the N-word in that situation because that audience would think it would be inappropriate. But yes, an apology is imperative.

Edited Monday at 10:44 AM by Wet Fire

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This is a tough one...

Of course, Tourette is a serious condition and the whole point of the movie I Swear is to shed light and understanding on it, and the man the film is based on has every right to come celebrate its success.

On the other hand... these people didn't cross a whole-ass ocean to get publicly insulted on television.

I think the entire situation of putting the Hollywood elite and actual royalty in a room with someone suffering from Tourette's is incredibly British  There's something very absurd about it.

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51 minutes ago, Bronco said:

Whats the solution here? 

Racism is absolutely repugnant and people shouldn't have to experience it. 

But there's literally no way to prevent someone's tourette's tics. Tourettes isn't a controllable condition, attempting to surpress tics can be physically painful to people with tourettes. 

This isn't John Wayne trying to attack a native actress on stage. This is a man with tourettes experiencing a tic. 

The way it was all handled just wasn't ok. I don't see why they didn't edit it out of the show the way they edited out someone willfully saying "free palestine". Also i know it's sensitive to imply people should be excluded from public events but if you know you have a condition that will make you blurt out hurtful slurs at people, and it makes you feel bad enough to leave the show immediately after, is there really *nothing* you can do in terms of prevention or preparedness for such a situation? 

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2 minutes ago, littlepotter said:

The way it was all handled just wasn't ok. I don't see why they didn't edit it out of the show the way they edited out someone willfully saying "free palestine". Also i know it's sensitive to imply people should be excluded from public events but if you know you have a condition that will make you blurt out hurtful slurs at people, and it makes you feel bad enough to leave the show immediately after, is there really *nothing* you can do in terms of prevention or preparedness for such a situation? 

The only thing someone with this condition could do would be to not attend the event. 

Not sure the solution to racism in public life is to ban the disabled from public life. 

I do fully agree that the TV producers should have censored it, the show was filmed on a livestream delay and there is zero justification for them not censoring it. 

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11 minutes ago, littlepotter said:

The way it was all handled just wasn't ok. I don't see why they didn't edit it out of the show the way they edited out someone willfully saying "free palestine". Also i know it's sensitive to imply people should be excluded from public events but if you know you have a condition that will make you blurt out hurtful slurs at people, and it makes you feel bad enough to leave the show immediately after, is there really *nothing* you can do in terms of prevention or preparedness for such a situation? 

Tourette’s isn’t a fit-all cycle though, look at Lewis Capaldi for instance he has good command (I say command not control for a reason) over his condition but he literally had to cancel a performance at the UK’s biggest festival during his set LIVE on TV and in front of thousands because he had a Tourette tic attack onstage. 
 

I’m usually the first one to call out both intentional and micro aggressive racism but he didn’t know he was gonna say those things, and I’m sure everyone will have been informed before attending something like this could happen. Of course they have the right to be offended, however, we can’t just molly coddle humans and remove EVERY obstacle or potential thing that’s gonna happen. And asking someone with a disability to retract from society just IN CASE they say something offensive when their entire obstacle is saying offensive things without being able to control it.
 

Racism isn’t exactly gonna go away, plus there’s far more pressing racist issues int he world than a Tourette tic attack. Not everything is black and white people need to stop being so pedantic. I do agree it should be removed from the broadcast though.
 

As for the free Palestine thing, the BBC is staunchly pro-Isreal and even has had condemnation of political figures in the UK who are pro-Palestine sadly. That how eve is a black and white issue. A large percent of the British public sadly are pro-Israel 

Edited Monday at 11:11 AM by gagzus

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shame on the baftas for not editing this out, i think we can all agree on that

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Jamie Foxx weighs in

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6 minutes ago, weed said:

Jamie Foxx weighs in

Ignorant response from him. 

I understand the emotion here, but it's really showing how many people think the correct solution for disabled people is for them to not exist. 

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2 hours ago, littlepotter said:

I don't know about yall but if I was on that stage and someone shouted f@gg0t i would quite simply not be graceful about it. Of the hundreds of thousands of words in your lexicon your brain chose that one when you saw me? Why didn't he shout the N word at any other point in the ceremony? I understand that he can't control it but I don't see how you can argue that there's no racism behind it when it only happened when he saw people the slur discriminates against lmao. Unfortunate situation for all involced but I don't think his condition absolves him from issuing an immediate apology.

Because that’s not how the human brain works. 
 

people with Tourette’s can be thinking about a positive or negative thing and just about the negative thing. 
 

it’s awkward because the person responds to a negative or a dark thing in their mind because they have anxiety of it. It’s like how people with OCD will ruminate over something as a way to control the anxiety they have about it or how someone with bipolar will react strongly and have an episode because they try to control something they don’t have control over. Ironically it backfires. In Tourette’s this is the case. He could have just been thinking even compassionately in his mind “I wonder if people seeing this use the n word about them for being brave and presenting this award”, and then they might go into a self-shame cycle for the intrusive thought of that and their brain reacts to it by actually saying the word. 
 

it’s complicated and weird to someone who isn’t neurodivergent and honestly I get it because I have OCD (magical thinking OCD specifically) that was caused by anxiety surrounding a grape that happened to me as a child and having a fear that my Baptist family would find out what would happen to me. Ironically, I stressed myself out more by going into loops and I started thinking really negative things were gonna happen and if I just prayed or asked God forgiveness over and over again in my head that it would go away. It got so bad that I would spend hours twitching my head in circles and my nose had to touch the third point of square I could fine because I believed the number 3 was holy and could save me from something bad happening.

 

it was like second nature and I had to do it “or else”. No one believed me and it eventually led to alcoholism.

 

thank God Obama included recovery clinics in his healthcare plan because it allowed me to get into sober living when I was on the streets and I turned my life around, but all of this happened because of a grape when I was a child and I got stuck in an OCD loop that I didn’t even know what it was for almost two decades until I got to a sober living clinic that diagnosed me so I could treat it.

 

i empathize with people with issues like this. It’s so embarassing and makes you do things and no one believes you. 

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Oh my god until I just saw another post I thought Alan Cumming was the one who shouted this whole time 

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Is it awful that this was the first thing that came to mind

 

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Opinion on the situation from a black woman with Tourette's

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4 hours ago, littlepotter said:

I don't know about yall but if I was on that stage and someone shouted f@gg0t i would quite simply not be graceful about it. Of the hundreds of thousands of words in your lexicon your brain chose that one when you saw me? Why didn't he shout the N word at any other point in the ceremony? I understand that he can't control it but I don't see how you can argue that there's no racism behind it when it only happened when he saw people the slur discriminates against lmao. Unfortunate situation for all involced but I don't think his condition absolves him from issuing an immediate apology.

My guess is the "random" word shouts are not 100% random. Words are probably triggered by stuff that somehow can relate to something that ur brain even goes there in a passing thought in the moment

 

Kind of how dreams seem totally random but if u analyse them often theg somehow relate to ur day or what u were thinking even if very unrelated

 

I could be wrong but that would be my guess. But it would probably be unfair to assume hes all out racist or thinks of black people as Ni*gs. It could be as simple as knowing theres a connection between those words and i think in these cases u kinda have to give them the benefit of the doubt

 

Edit: reading comments and searching about it. Seems the brain in this condition when it thinks of what the mosy innapropriate thing would be gets somehow anxious about it and instead of processing it as inhibition as something you dont say it does the exact opposite and makes you blur it out. So i guess theres our answer

Edited Monday at 02:31 PM by Economy