Simon 1,497 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, JohnnyVersace said: Disco Heaven is an absolute banger Oh yes it is and I love there are more of us. Disco Heaven is that bitch. and Beautiful Dirty Rich too, it's kinda chaotic, dirty and freaky but also structured idk how to describe it properly anyway it's not something you would hear in 2008, not even in 2025 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 36,958 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, Schwerk said: "Love it when you call me "legs", in the morning buy me eggs" Is one of my favorite lyrics, it's funny and it paints a picture of Gaga crashing at Lücs Brooklyn appartement and him, hungover AF stumbling out of bed to get his girl some eggs. I’m SAYING. Let Miss Thing be GOOFY, CAMPY, and FREAKY‼️ We have forgotten our public MANNERS 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 36,958 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 11 hours ago, TheSine said: The Fame feels more authentic to me, which is why I love it so much. It showcases her creativity and talent with what she had at the time. She had a concept and stuck to it, and it worked! Something about the cheap wig and having 2 dancers felt so real to me. She worked day and night for that. Not saying the albums that came after it aren't, I'm just saying that The Fame was when she was most vulnerable while she was discovering her image. I also think that Summerboy is one of her best songs on that album. She needs to perform more than just the hits!! I def see what you mean. I think, more than anything, when she was creating The Fame, she was truly working with a blank canvas and there’s a type of freedom in that that I think you can feel in the music. For better or worse, her subsequent albums became about building on her pre-existing sound/mythos/iconography which has been really rewarding, but I think even she found it limiting after ARTPOP (hence the hard break from electro-pop into more stripped back traditional pop). With that in mind, MAYHEM actually kind of feels like a return to form à la The Fame: an album where she embraces her previous work but doesn’t feel burdened by it and is able to use it as a way of exploring new territory. We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegahedron 260 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 It's striking to me this is still by and far her best selling album when it is now one of my least listened to by her. I Like It Rough is definitely being slept on by the world. I never got the love for Beautiful, Dirty, Rich Brown Eyes is still a pretty solid ballad by her, and it feels sincere ... but I wish that Fooled Me Again was on there as well/instead. I love Paparazzi as a song and video but I've never really enjoyed the studio version (the Stuart Price remix BANGS though). The Eh Eh piano performances are really quite charming. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidLuis198 1,235 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I Like It Rough is terrible! I don't know how to write in english 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltedplastic 668 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 An amazing pop album, a warholian conceptual collection of bubblegum pop tracks. I think its actually more art pop than "ARTPOP" I however do think the character and persona she created for The Fame was a collage of references in pop culture, a meticulously crafted performance piece. She was lacking her own personality in this era, and it wasn't until The Fame Monster, where she started using dark influences to process trauma and past experiences in her work, that her authentic self started to show. I think a lot of the songs on The Fame are incredibly shallow and stupid (its an album about image, fame, consumerism so.. no ****) but it makes Paparazzi feel way too sophisticated to fit on the album, I think it would have worked better on The Fame Monster. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 18,027 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 hours ago, faysalaaa said: I think Jewels N Drugs is meant to be bad on purpose. It serves the concept of the album more than being an actual song. Gaga never said this, its just how I see it. It absolutely isn’t lmao it’s because back in 2012/13 everyone had rappers on songs so the label pushed for her to collaborate with rappers (hence why she went through Kendrick then Azealia and then finally landing on J&D) and they tried to make the song sound like “the evolution of hip-hop” but in the end it just sounded like DJWS threw together 3 random beats he had. If the whole song was like the beginning with TI and just with TI it would’ve slayed honestly. Although I feel like the Azealia collabs could’ve been game changing tbh Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gagzus 18,027 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: I def see what you mean. I think, more than anything, when she was creating The Fame, she was truly working with a blank canvas and there’s a type of freedom in that that I think you can feel in the music. For better or worse, her subsequent albums became about building on her pre-existing sound/mythos/iconography which has been really rewarding, but I think even she found it limiting after ARTPOP (hence the hard break from electro-pop into more stripped back traditional pop). With that in mind, MAYHEM actually kind of feels like a return to form à la The Fame: an album where she embraces her previous work but doesn’t feel burdened by it and is able to use it as a way of exploring new territory. You hit the nail on the head I think, The Fame was a game changer in pop and obviously her life, and I feel like Mayhem is an album she really stands by and won’t look back on it and see the mistakes or the pain like almost every other album she has. We have to remember Harlequin and Mayhem are the only albums she’s made without negativity. Whether it was depression, PTSD, fibromyalgia, losing her friends, losing lovers. struggling to make it big and be famous- she never had it easy. And this album feels and sounds like she made it truly in peace (she even basically said so herself). It’s absolutely TF 2.0 for me personally. 18 years on and my god does her growth (and my own alongside her) make me emotional like WE DID IT GIRL Edited January 15 by gagzus 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 36,958 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, gagzus said: You hit the nail on the head I think, The Fame was a game changer in pop and obviously her life, and I feel like Mayhem is an album she really stands by and won’t look back on it and see the mistakes or the pain like almost every other album she has. We have to remember Harlequin and Mayhem are the only albums she’s made without negativity. Whether it was depression, PTSD, fibromyalgia, losing her friends, losing lovers. struggling to make it big qnd be famous- she never had it easy. And this album feels and sounds like she made it in true piece. It’s absolutely TF 2.0 for me personally. 100% agree. I think, more than anything, the thing it seemed she missed was that spontaneity or the feeling that she could create whatever she wanted to and I think both MAYHEM and Harlequin reflect someone who has not only matured and mastered their artistry, but also someone who feels comfortable exploring and playing with music and performance in a really carefree way and it’s just such a joy. I really hope this is a sign of what’s to come because I could listen to 100 more records from her made in that vein. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidLuis198 1,235 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 The Fame is criminally underrated and misunderstood in this fanbase, lots of Little Monsters treat this album as if it was just a bunch of shallow, random songs when this album has one of Gaga’s most well thought out, well realized and tight concepts of her albums, with only TFM & BTW surpassing it. I always think that if one day I’d made a video essay about something, it would be a hours long video about how important and genius of a work of art The Fame is. Every single song on the tracklist is there contributing on some aspect of the main theme of the album: A person who will chase fame at any cost while living like they already have it. You can also follow this narrative and line of thought of Gaga constantly asking herself: “Can I acquire this fame and at the same time be truly loved by someone?”, a theme she still writes about and constantly struggles with, even now! It’s like she already knew what was possibly being throwing away in her search… And know she did, cause Gaga truly was a “scholar of fame” and the Fame is like her final thesis on the subject (even TFM also being about fame, it was focused on another aspect, because on it, she was already famous and the EP is almost like a diary of what happened when she got it). On The Fame, she knew how empty and vapid this search was while knowing that it was all she ever wanted at the time, and every song shows this contradiction. I guess fans are just tired of it, or just don’t think that “fame” is a worthy theme (I for once find a very interesting topic and love when musicians talk about it), and I won’t say it’s the perfect album, or that any of the songs haven’t aged badly, but if people gave it a real chance, really pay attention to the lyrics and thought about what was Gaga saying during this album, I bet they would be a lot more accepting with the album. I don't know how to write in english 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSine 6,392 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 hours ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: I def see what you mean. I think, more than anything, when she was creating The Fame, she was truly working with a blank canvas and there’s a type of freedom in that that I think you can feel in the music. For better or worse, her subsequent albums became about building on her pre-existing sound/mythos/iconography which has been really rewarding, but I think even she found it limiting after ARTPOP (hence the hard break from electro-pop into more stripped back traditional pop). With that in mind, MAYHEM actually kind of feels like a return to form à la The Fame: an album where she embraces her previous work but doesn’t feel burdened by it and is able to use it as a way of exploring new territory. EXACTLY!!!! She was working on a blank canvas, then throughout her career she built upon it. But there's just something raw about that first moment you know? That's what I like about it. I actually agree. With MAYHEM I feel like she finally being...her, if that makes sense. No limitations, just truly healthy and free. Let's be honest, she's truly been through a lot during those last few eras. 💛 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faysalaaa 5,218 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 3 hours ago, gagzus said: It absolutely isn’t lmao it’s because back in 2012/13 everyone had rappers on songs so the label pushed for her to collaborate with rappers (hence why she went through Kendrick then Azealia and then finally landing on J&D) and they tried to make the song sound like “the evolution of hip-hop” but in the end it just sounded like DJWS threw together 3 random beats he had. If the whole song was like the beginning with TI and just with TI it would’ve slayed honestly. Although I feel like the Azealia collabs could’ve been game changing tbh Hmmm I feel like it was a statement like Cake Like Lady Gaga, but maybe ur right Edited January 15 by faysalaaa Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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