Gaga Dedicated TEOG to the victims of the Bataclan Attack

[Kayi 2,783]

1 hour ago, River said:

what if she speaks up, but not as u wish? 

Michael is Jewish, he's donating money to cancer research to Israeli hospitals, he's working with Teva and so on, wouldn't be surprise if he even has a family there.

If she were to say something it would have been a both sided, peace and love, kind of claim, which the majority of her fanbase don't consider it as a good reply. they want the words genocide, free Palestine, Zionism is bad and all that.

So she simply does what she does best recently, staying quiet. 

Sadly today ppl can't no longer have nuance. This is true for both side. 

I think that some of my personal opinions would be controversial, because I think that some would be perceived as contradictory. 

I couldn't care less about Gaga's personal political opinions. Like back in time, I did, but now I feel that in this post-truth era, many things are a facade. I have my own opinions, intentions and I no longer idolize anything or anyone.

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except than me since I discovered New Age (F Kanye but this song is me) : 

 I appreciate characters, I appreciate ideas, but I only care about me and my kins opinions tbh. 

I think that Israel should be a state because they're in power, there's no sense to say "there shouldn't be zionism". In fact there's a lot of ppl that claim this state in the world... So why a country with such popularity and powerful ppl shouldn't exist ? No matter from what it originate from, what were the intentions between it's creation, etc... We know damn well that every patriotic myths were almost all built and polished around the 19th century. Otherwise many countries creation would be questionable...

But here we are... What are we doing of the authorities that claim an imperialism in a part of the country ? There's an entity that is terrorizing both Israelis and Palestinians. What do we do of them ? Some even believe that this entity was created by the Israeli state to shut down any possibility to give them a part of the country because of the terrorists image. Well, well, that's were my thought is controversial : I don't think every ppl should have a whole country. Because of how unstable it would be. Having a country doesn't mean "freedom" and "human rights" at all.

And technically Palestinians and Israelis almost have the same ethnicities... Their culture isn't incompatible because the concept of a region is that the culture is different from one to another. But they have another religion. That's just it. To me Palestinians should be Israelis citizens with another religion. 

Forget about the word "genocide"... To me this is so weird that now that the big the Hamas leaders are dead, the bombing of citizens continues...

There's a propaganda told to young Israelis. And I think they're not evil as pro-palestinian ppl depict them... I think everyone is more or less victims of propaganda, cause I don't know any current government that isn't trying to sell us their agendas. So anyone exposed to propaganda can become more or less extremists sometimes and yeah Israelis are being told that every Palestinians are a threat to their democracy. Their defensive reaction is natural. If they're becoming IDF for some of them it's because of the propaganda. So it's not even condemn the Israeli people, but rather the government.

This guy does videos and ask what Israeli ppl what do they think about the current critical situation in Gaza and most of them reply him a bit harshly but you see that they're ignorant. I don't fully agree with him but he's right at some points. Here is a video of him talking with a girl that doesn't seem racist at all but simply think the way her teachers taught her :

 

Hannah Arendt (a Jewish philosopher that I appreciate a lot) wrote about this phenomenon : Banality of evil.

If I was Gaga and wanted to do something symbolical to help the Palestinian, I would do donations to the kids victims of this situation.

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[PartySick 162,863]

1 hour ago, HomoMonsterions said:

Well, why are people demanding that she speak out specifically on gaza? Why not also on congo, sudan, or other countries, which I can’t even think of right now that are also experiencing civil war/genocide/famine and have been for quite some time? 

You see, I’m generalizing them here, which isn’t good, because I don’t have enough knowledge to properly address those issues (maybe she thinks that too). If I want gaga to speak out, I’d want her to learn the history, culture, context, etc., behind those conflicts and give a proper, solid statement at the UN or whatever credible, authoritative platform we have rn (and i dont even know if that's a good and proper way to do it, i'm just giving an example). Not just post a “#freepalestine” on ig stories like many celebrities do, because honestly, those posts look super shallow to me. I don’t think all of them truly know what’s going on, they just “speak out” because it’s trending and maybe want to earn some goodwill from the public.

#freepalestine and "zionist" have been thrown out too casually atp

 

I'm not sure whataboutism in regards to a genocide is a great thing but sure, people with platforms like hers and wealth like hers absolutely should be obligated to be aware, knowledgeable, and outspoken about the crises people face.

I can't imagine having the ear of millions, including world leaders, and staying quiet. It seems so cold, callous, and inhuman.

The only reason I'm "fine" with Gaga staying silent is 'cause I know any statement she makes will be a vapid platitude about peace and she won't flat out state the truth that Israel is clearly the aggressor and still dropping bombs on innocents despite a ceasefire and the return of Hamas' hostages.

Luring people to refugee camps (built in their own destroyed neighborhoods) to shoot them, kidnap them, imprison them, torture them, rape them, mutilate them, desecrate their bodies, etc.

I'd absolutely drag her for filth if she came out and said she wished the "best for both sides" or "peace for all people" and not "the best time to stop Israel was decades ago, the next best time is right tf now"  

[Delulu Rogers 7,491]

Back on topic, it’s really nice she dedicated the song to the victims of the attack. France had it rough in 2015 and still bares the scars from those events. I’m sure the French people appreciated it very much. 

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13 minutes ago, PartySick said:

I'm not sure whataboutism in regards to a genocide is a great thing but sure, people with platforms like hers and wealth like hers absolutely should be obligated to be aware, knowledgeable, and outspoken about the crises people face.

I can't imagine having the ear of millions, including world leaders, and staying quiet. It seems so cold, callous, and inhuman.

The only reason I'm "fine" with Gaga staying silent is 'cause I know any statement she makes will be a vapid platitude about peace and she won't flat out state the truth that Israel is clearly the aggressor and still dropping bombs on innocents despite a ceasefire and the return of Hamas' hostages.

Luring people to refugee camps (built in their own destroyed neighborhoods) to shoot them, kidnap them, imprison them, torture them, rape them, mutilate them, desecrate their bodies, etc.

I'd absolutely drag her for filth if she came out and said she wished the "best for both sides" or "peace for all people" and not "the best time to stop Israel was decades ago, the next best time is right tf now"  

see, you are still only focus on israel/gaza/hamas.

Don’t get me wrong, everything you said here is totally valid. My point is if you want her to address humanitarian issues, it should include the crises happening in other regions too. This is where I get the ick when people say, “oh, you’re staying quiet on gaza, thus you don’t care about humanity.” If you truly care about humanity, why turn a blind eye to other places and focus on only one?? If you think she’s obligated to speak out about the gaza crisis, then with her platform, she should speak out even more about the humanitarian crises in other regions that aren’t getting the same spotlight gaza has right now.

 

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24 minutes ago, HomoMonsterions said:

see, you are still only focus on israel/gaza/hamas.

Don’t get me wrong, everything you said here is totally valid. My point is if you want her to address humanitarian issues, it should include the crises happening in other regions too. This is where I get the ick when people say, “oh, you’re staying quiet on gaza, thus you don’t care about humanity.” If you truly care about humanity, why turn a blind eye to other places and focus on only one?? If you think she’s obligated to speak out about the gaza crisis, then with her platform, she should speak out even more about the humanitarian crises in other regions that aren’t getting the same spotlight gaza has right now.

 

You don't have to worry about everything to worry about anything.

But yeah, I already agreed that someone with her platform and wealth should be expected to be knowledgeable and vocal.

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5 hours ago, PartySick said:

Apparently there's some drama over mentioning this attack or something? We're a little busy here in the States, can some Frenchie or somebody else clue me in as to why pls

I saw no drama about it but with Internet you always find folks looking for drama... 

Some people have no decency and can't just respect an hommage to people who were massacred and their familles/ friends. 

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1 minute ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

I saw no drama about it but with Internet you always find folks looking for drama... 

Some people have no decency and can't just respect an hommage to people who were massacred and their familles/ friends. 

It's ok, we found our own "drama" here  

[Ladle Ghoulash 29,004]

4 hours ago, PartySick said:

Wait, I feel like I'm missing even more now 'cause France struck ISIS and then some extremists conducted an attack on random people in France and...idk, I guess my question is who out here is really siding with ISIS?  

Attacking civilians is always wrong, 100% of the time. I feel like that's a pretty simple and low bar

I honestly was taking a shot in the dark so I could be completely wrong, but I’ve seen folks online respond similarly to anyone offering condolences to victims of October 7th, so that’s what I was basing that on.

[Ophelia 4,874]

This is so uncanny for her to actually mention this.

I was thinking about all the wrong things that could happen when weren't security checked as GCEE L (Vanish side, because apparently they sold no GCEE R tickets and GC suddenly became GCEE R, but that's another story) before the show in Antwerp. They checked Premium seating and GC but we, as GCEEs weren't touched at all by the security. No metal detectors, no personal bag/body/jacket check up. Nothing. 

I know, it's the craziest (in a loving way) fans who will have no sleep just to reach that barricade, but still - that was a huge **** up on AFAS Dome's side. I wonder if she was told about this.

Overall the organisation was a mess, the city felt also super unsafe. 

[princedeeblebleble 2,154]

3 hours ago, River said:

what if she speaks up, but not as u wish? 

Michael is Jewish, he's donating money to cancer research to Israeli hospitals, he's working with Teva and so on, wouldn't be surprise if he even has a family there.

If she were to say something it would have been a both sided, peace and love, kind of claim, which the majority of her fanbase don't consider it as a good reply. they want the words genocide, free Palestine, Zionism is bad and all that.

So she simply does what she does best recently, staying quiet. 

I know a few jewish people, some  even from Israel with parts of family still there and they're  extremely pointed towards the Israel leaders.. but like you can't say every jewish person is bad if the leaders are, similary to muslims. Probably people living there have a similar view.. like in a way I cannot imagine supporting a system where they just decide to do the horrible **** that's going on.

On the other side of things, yea you can donate to and be proud of your heritage yet be againts how the leaders are treating other nations.. so both of them could state anything from what you've mentioned above, as a bare minimum. Or be like againts the leaders choices, yet support those who are on the losing side of Israel as well while supporting the people of Palestine or whatever other natins are in a similar situation. 

[River 119,290]

10 minutes ago, princedeeblebleble said:

I know a few jewish people, some  even from Israel with parts of family still there and they're  extremely pointed towards the Israel leaders.. but like you can't say every jewish person is bad if the leaders are, similary to muslims. Probably people living there have a similar view.. like in a way I cannot imagine supporting a system where they just decide to do the horrible **** that's going on.

On the other side of things, yea you can donate to and be proud of your heritage yet be againts how the leaders are treating other nations.. so both of them could state anything from what you've mentioned above, as a bare minimum. Or be like againts the leaders choices, yet support those who are on the losing side of Israel as well while supporting the people of Palestine or whatever other natins are in a similar situation. 

I’m Israeli 🫠

[River 119,290]

34 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said:

I honestly was taking a shot in the dark so I could be completely wrong, but I’ve seen folks online respond similarly to anyone offering condolences to victims of October 7th, so that’s what I was basing that on.

Some users who are not here anymore once told me “don’t use the death of your mom for pro zionist propaganda”, she was killed by a hamas rocket.. so what you say is very real.

The most rational and humane thing to do is simply to agree that 7th October or Bataclan attacks are wrong but still fight for Palestinian freedom and against islamophobia.. it’s not taking away from the real problems

[Ladle Ghoulash 29,004]

13 minutes ago, River said:

Some users who are not here anymore once told me “don’t use the death of your mom for pro zionist propaganda”, she was killed by a hamas rocket.. so what you say is very real.

The most rational and humane thing to do is simply to agree that 7th October or Bataclan attacks are wrong but still fight for Palestinian freedom and against islamophobia.. it’s not taking away from the real problems

Jesus fckn Christ, I am so sorry. Kind of ironic how people embracing humanitarian causes can so easily sacrifice their humanity in how they relate to victims of atrocities. Completely agree that not only is it possible to denounce 10/7, Bataclan, and the Israeli genocide or Palestinians all at once, I think, in order for “war crimes” and “terrorism” to mean anything, it’s actually morally consistent and necessary. 

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I'm sorry OP for adding to the tangent but I just want to say I am really relieved to see such sensible discussion on Gaga's silence on Gaza from fellow LMs. Truthfully I was hesitant to get back on fan forums because I was nervous about the tension around her continued silence.