Ladle Ghoulash 27,712 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Just now, Bronco said: It is very common though, and always has been, for these cancellations on the day to be very last minute. I'd very surprised if it wasn't something ticketmaster/livenation deliberately does. Don’t really see the upside of purposefully waiting until the last minute tbh We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G U C C I 5,513 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Probably is a cynical take but still something that I have seen commented on and honestly makes sense in terms of the parking fees and such. Her doing broadway is one of my biggest dreams to see and I really thought managing this tour would be a great precursor to her ability to do it. But you are right that most shows do rely on a whole cast and not one person to manage the show and removing traveling stress. However, we are only what? A fourth of the way through this tour and she’s only doing 3 shows per week. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunaUniverse 4,035 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 7 minutes ago, G U C C I said: I think everyone knew that this tour was bound to have a few mishaps with scheduling when it was announced. Given the complexity and intensity of the show anything could have happened, but her health being the main issue. The timing of this cancellation is extremely unfair to anyone who was attending. It honestly seems like it was done last minute just as a way of grabbing merch sales and parking money for the venue which would not have to be refunded by them or Ticketmaster if you purchased it with your ticket. It wouldn’t shock me at all if she had no plans of performing much earlier than announced but was asked to not announce until a specific time due to those costs. The only thing this situation reinforces for me is that her doing a broadway run probably not going to happen. She can’t manage 3-4 shows per week at her vocal peek then 8 vocally demanding shows is unfortunately probably not something she’s going to be able to handle. Also, she could eliminate almost an entire song from the setlist just by not screaming “put your ****ing hands up” lol. She was rehearsing prior to it being announced. She probably felt like she could push through with it and decided not to for her own good. Also there are many factors going into tour production and setup that can’t just be made in hours time 1# Samoyed Stan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 27,712 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 2 minutes ago, G U C C I said: Probably is a cynical take but still something that I have seen commented on and honestly makes sense in terms of the parking fees and such. Her doing broadway is one of my biggest dreams to see and I really thought managing this tour would be a great precursor to her ability to do it. But you are right that most shows do rely on a whole cast and not one person to manage the show and removing traveling stress. However, we are only what? A fourth of the way through this tour and she’s only doing 3 shows per week. I just don’t really see the benefit for the venue or the artist. They can continue to sell merch even if the show is cancelled and the venue isn’t obligated to refund parking. As for Ticketmaster/LiveNation, they’re either refunding or exchanging the ticket either way, so I don’t really know what their angle is. That being said, I see what you’re saying about only being a fourth of the way through the tour (still maintain the Broadway analogy doesn’t really work here), but it could also have been that she got sick and was pushing through it and that was the cause of the strain because, unlike Broadway, there’s no understudy so if there’s no Gaga, there’s no show. Either way, hoping it’s not serious and she’s able to recover and fans can make the rescheduled date. We have forgotten our public MANNERS Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alxjcgn 701 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 9 hours ago, Jack3257 said: I have fibro and definitely feel effects, especially a sore throat, when I switch between climates. And add travel on top of a climate switch- its brutal! Hoping that you're experiencing more good days than bad with fibro! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy232000 12,305 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 19 minutes ago, Bronco said: It is very common though, and always has been, for these cancellations on the day to be very last minute. I'd very surprised if it wasn't something ticketmaster/livenation deliberately does. Its not common for the concert promoter to get a cut from merch sales. They only get a cut from ticket sales. Only the venue sometimes gets a percentage for lending the space and staff and that depends on each location. In most cases, merch sales often goes exclusively to the artist. That's why merch has the largest mark up percentage of all elements in a tour, because neither the promoter nor ticketing service get their hands on it, so suggesting Ticketmaster and Live Nation deliberately wait to sell merch and only then cancel just wouldn't work cause they wont see a penny from it, unless Gaga is in a very unfortunate contract with them, which I dont think she is. The only one possibly benefiting from a late cancellation would be the arena. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 13,188 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 51 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Don’t really see the upside of purposefully waiting until the last minute tbh I imagine it'll be legal trickery to minimise refund avenues. Either that or its a result of ticketmaster et al dragging their feet and trying to force the show to happen until the last minute. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 13,188 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 25 minutes ago, andy232000 said: so suggesting Ticketmaster and Live Nation deliberately wait to sell merch and only then cancel just wouldn't work I didn't suggest they wait to sell merch. I said that the reason we see these last minute cancellations so often is likely a result of Ticketmaster et al processes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcanum 5,204 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 My yiayia has the perfect recipe for sore throat. Gaga you should have messaged my big fat greek a$$ to get The Cure.mp3 I Wantth your Love...I Wantth your Love. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewing on pearls 523 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 I'm sure it many ways it was purely a game-time decision due to Gaga's desire to push forward and her team's recommendation not to they may have also been trying to confirm the rescheduled date/details before announcing the postponement to soften the blow to the fans, but it couldn't be sorted out in time sad for the fans but glad Gaga is listening to her body... hope she's all better so I can see her in Chicago on 9/15! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladle Ghoulash 27,712 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 7 minutes ago, Bronco said: I imagine it'll be legal trickery to minimise refund avenues. Either that or its a result of ticketmaster et al dragging their feet and trying to force the show to happen until the last minute. Pretty sure they’re locked into the refund either way, tbh. But I could maybe see LiveNation et al wanting to see if she could still go on, but I’m inclined to use Occam’s Razor on this one: Gags wanted to go on, was optimistic she could make it work and probably held out hope until the last minute before they had to make the final call. Not particularly responsible, but lined up with her workhorse attitude re: performing. We have forgotten our public MANNERS 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister G 10,492 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 She clearly seems to be doing okay because I got a notification that she reposted something on TikTok and it's actually this hot straight dude who simps for her and has some of the best reaction videos to her content. Manifest good energy and vibes for her. I know a lot of people are upset and frustrated and I would be too. S*** as an OG Little Monster, I was there for the horrors of TBTW Ball's last few weeks being canceled after the hip incident and that broke so many of us. Make sure you all take care of yourselves and your health. Be kind to yourselves and each other. And if someone is being rabid and nasty online, let them. Ignore them and move on. And if not, go stream Dead Dance and Do the Dead Dance. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nath4gaga2 264 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, G U C C I said: Probably is a cynical take but still something that I have seen commented on and honestly makes sense in terms of the parking fees and such. Her doing broadway is one of my biggest dreams to see and I really thought managing this tour would be a great precursor to her ability to do it. But you are right that most shows do rely on a whole cast and not one person to manage the show and removing traveling stress. However, we are only what? A fourth of the way through this tour and she’s only doing 3 shows per week. She is also doing however many hours of straight singing. In a musical the number of minutes you sing during a show is minimal unless you're a lead in something like Les Mis. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco 13,188 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 13 minutes ago, Ladle Ghoulash said: Pretty sure they’re locked into the refund either way, tbh. But I could maybe see LiveNation et al wanting to see if she could still go on, but I’m inclined to use Occam’s Razor on this one: Gags wanted to go on, was optimistic she could make it work and probably held out hope until the last minute before they had to make the final call. Not particularly responsible, but lined up with her workhorse attitude re: performing. I just find it unlikely, using the same Occam's Razor law, that this is the case for every single gig that gets cancelled in this manner. Like I was going to a concert last year in May, had got on the train to make the commute to the venue about an hour before the show started and that's when LiveNation sent the email cancellation. We saw it happen on tour for Shakira this year, where again the venue was open and the cancellation came through about 30 minutes before she was due on. If it was just happening randomly and with one artist, I'd agree with your view. It just seems to happen with *every* act and there's no way every single act is motivated enough to be pushing up until the very last second to make their illness go away. There are plenty who are lazy and would definitely cancel earlier if they were ill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Lovers 7,132 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 1 hour ago, Bronco said: It is very common though, and always has been, for these cancellations on the day to be very last minute. I'd very surprised if it wasn't something ticketmaster/livenation deliberately does. It is somewhat common. However, I just can’t really believe that the decision was made as late as it was communicated to us. We weren’t told until 10 minutes before the advertised start of the show (which I know is never when she goes on but still). That decision had to have come sooner or else they wouldn’t have kept the doors closed. That in and of itself wouldn’t have been as bad have we not spent the previous hour standing in front of the arena while the venue staff stood in the windows pointing and laughing at us taking photos of us and flipping us off. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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