Katy Perry's manager talks about negativity during release of 143

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The thing is, how about put some damn effort into the album and not copy and paste Dr Luke reject songs from 2010 or work with him at all given his track record? If you don’t want hate, don’t put out something people will hate automatically. 

Edited Tuesday at 09:44 PM by DopeEnigma

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6 hours ago, nATAH said:

reading "but gaga worked with r kelly!!" is so frustrating when those situations are not comparable at all

what's the point of gaga owning up to her mistake if she's still going to get mud slung at her? where is katy's apology tour?

See that's the difference. Gaga at least apologized, maybe a little late but she eventually did. Katy and her team want to blame everything on people being mean and completely ignoring the fact that she hasn't apologized or owned up to the fact that she worked with an alleged rapist. Meanwhile there are some people in this thread defending Katy using Gaga working with R Kelly as their gotcha. There are also some others just excusing it by saying “people are doing to much too crucify her and being performative activists” when their fave literally has a history of child sex abuse allegations that plagued their career.

Edited Wednesday at 01:35 AM by HotLikeMexico

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Her tour may have done well in Australia and Mexico but not really anywhere else. She's still only got one date per city in the US and it's mostly one date per city worldwide at the moment, which suggests each venue is struggling to sell. If it was doing well, a second one would be added. When you see 78 arena dates, it looks really impressive until you look at the details.

It's really astounding how her label don't face up to the reality of what a mistake it was bringing Luke back and act like everyone who rightfully gave her hate for this decision are just haters who mindlessly hate. This team is partly where her career is where it is now, clearly. They've encouraged her to play to the kid demographic too long, not encouraging her to evolve, allowing problematic people on her album. And judging by her response to the question of why Luke was included on the album on Call Her Daddy, she knows how bad it looks but just doesn't care. He's just one of many people she worked with on that album and it all comes from her anyway, apparently. No personal accountability. There's every chance she'll try to atone for this one day down the line when her career's in even bigger dire straits as she realises it might win the public back but by then, it'll be too late. Before she brought Luke back, she was merely unsuccessful but now with him onboard, she's unsuccessful and hated. She really overestimated how much the public had moved on and underestimated how anti-abuser people are. The biggest consumers of pop are the girls and the gays, both of whom are extremely vigilant about calling out abusers. 

10 hours ago, PartySick said:

Did Kesha even try to prove that he did anything? Genuinely asking 'cause I didn't tune in much (avoiding triggers) so I don't know.

I always thought the only thing she wanted was freedom from her contract that said she had to work with him.

While she never actually proved anything, what was clear was that so many people who had worked with him reported a bad time also.

From a music-producing standpoint: Demi Lovato claimed there was a song on her album he took and gave to another artist, Pink was mad that he gave her a song that sounded a lot like a re-hash of another song and Avril Lavigne had a track she wrote removed from her album by him and he then presented her with one that sounded a lot like the one she'd written. He's even had run-ins with Katy - in 2010, he hacked into her Twitter account to post tweets aimed at Taylor as well as homophobia and racism (his reason for doing so still unknown, it was before Teenage Dream came out). She also had a falling out with him before the 2011 Grammys as she didn't like how all her songs were sounding very similar and after that, he stopped promoting her singles. Very strange that she still wants to work with him after those experiences.

And as for behaviour, Charli XCX claimed he body shamed her by saying: "She better lose some weight if she wants to be a pop star" in the early days of her career and Becky G once called out someone on Twitter who called her fat by saying: "You sound like Dr Luke. Let me live." Marina Diamandis just simply said he was "creepy." Sharon Osbourne said: "I've had dealings with Dr Luke and he is not a medical professional." Kelly Clarkson was the most vocal, saying: "He's a talented dude but he's just lied a lot. I've run into a couple really bad situations. Musically, it's been really hard for me because he will just lie to people. It's like 'What?' It makes the artist look bad." She later said: "He's difficult to work with, kind of demeaning, it's kind of unfortunate. People are like, well, you've worked with Max and Luke and I'm like, Max and Luke are very different. Obviously the dude is a talented guy but character-wise, no. I only worked with him - even the last time I worked with him - because literally I got blackmailed by my label. They were like 'We will not put your album out if you don't do this.'" An associate of Luke's also once said: "He checks all of his artists. He just curses them out. He thinks he owns them because he made them."

Whether the sexual abuse allegations are true or not, fact is, the guy has a bad reputation as being hard to work with at the very least, especially with women. It's not beyond the bounds of reason that he went a bit further than rude remarks and bad business practices.

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The most insane part is that she didn't even have a valid reason to work with him! 

Recapturing Teenage Dream? There were people she ignored that had a significantly bigger impact on that album, including Max Martin, Bonnie McKee and Ester Dean.

Scoring a hit like Doja and Nicki? Nicki has a deranged fanbase that would propel her sharting sounds to the top 10 if possible, and Doja has accused the man of stealing credits on her songs.

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12 hours ago, River said:

playing the victim card and blaming everyone else but Katy's decision to work with a rapist and they didn't even mention the real reason for the criticism

Many pop stans were ready for her return until they learned about Luke's involvement in the album.

it would be one thing if the album was as good as his music with doja cat. them teaming up for the bad music they made only makes things worse...

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Bullshit, the way everyone was excited for a Katy comeback until she released #that single with the rapist and everyone's expectations turned into backlash. They have no one else but themselves to blame for the lack of morals.

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13 hours ago, PartySick said:

It's weird how much hate she gets honestly. I can't believe I'm excited to see her in August...but I'm not learning any of the 143 songs, sorry  

Unpopular opinion but I kind of agree with u.

 

I wouldnt have worked with Dr Luke myself but I doubt she gave it much thought, she just wanted someone to work with to make a pop hit with

 

Is it criticism worthy? Sure, and u can justify some innitial bad PR for it

 

But she literally got more hate than some rappers who are known for problematic behaviour meanwhile shes not even his friend she merely used him to try abd make hits

 

A little disproportionate imo.

 

Again not defending Katys poor decision to work with him again but theres celebs out there who deserve more hate and dont get it. Katy became the #1 target of hate because it b3came trendy to trash her constantly

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143, the number of fans she has left?

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I really don’t understand what she thought she would gain from working with him? Working with Dr Luke hasn’t produced a hit for Kim Petras so why would it work for Katy Perry. There are probably so many big producers who wanted to work with her, the right choice would’ve of been Dan Nigro and gone the Olivia Rodrigo route but it’s like every bad choice she chose lol.

Edited Wednesday at 08:34 PM by highwayunic0rn

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19 hours ago, Economy said:

Unpopular opinion but I kind of agree with u.

 

I wouldnt have worked with Dr Luke myself but I doubt she gave it much thought, she just wanted someone to work with to make a pop hit with

 

Is it criticism worthy? Sure, and u can justify some innitial bad PR for it

 

But she literally got more hate than some rappers who are known for problematic behaviour meanwhile shes not even his friend she merely used him to try abd make hits

 

A little disproportionate imo.

 

Again not defending Katys poor decision to work with him again but theres celebs out there who deserve more hate and dont get it. Katy became the #1 target of hate because it b3came trendy to trash her constantly

I think in this case, the fact that she pushed a song about female empowerment having produced it with an alleged rapist is what confounds the whole thing and puts her under extra microscope.

It's not necessarily trendy to trash her constantly, it's more than she got caught in the act of being an inauthentic pop star, and that's not something that happens every day, in my opinion.

It's like she's an animal in a zoo and everybody is staring into the enclosure, because they caught her being the stereotypical black mirror pop star. Like when she's alone, she shuts down. There's a USB port in the back of her neck LMAO. That's like the most taboo thing a pop star can be, and she got caught and clocked for it, red-handed, publicly.

I think ultimately that's what the increased attention boils down to - the public clocked an inauthenticity, and that's the kind of GOTCHA moment that gets clicks and sells magazines.

The attraction is that the marketing doesn't work. She's giving us Oz but all we see is the sweaty guy behind the curtain, pulling levers.

This is bolstered by the fact that her music (which a marketing press release described as "levitating insanity") was so bad...many critics questioned if it was AI generated. More inauthenticity. 

Talk about Dr Luke is just a symptom of this larger PR issue for her.

Edited Wednesday at 09:15 PM by HelloHangoverz
okay i'm done editing my little thoughtpiece now lmao

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21 hours ago, Economy said:

But she literally got more hate than some rappers who are known for problematic behaviour meanwhile shes not even his friend she merely used him to try abd make hits

• She took pics with his kids at Play
• Her VMAs medley was exclusively his songs, in a gesture that someone said was to honor their collaboration
• People dug up a transcript of her deposition. Katy outwardly took the opportunity to say she believes in innocent until proven guilty, and that she only kept him off of Witness because it'd look bad for her image during the lawsuit 

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On 2/18/2025 at 5:58 AM, PartySick said:

Trying so hard to not "what about" with the fact that Gaga worked with a known rapist, a predator, and she has a predator's face tattooed on her back...guess I did it anyway though but I'm not sticking around to argue about it  just "glass houses and stones" or whatever.

Idk, I cut Katy slack. Luke's just a producer, not her bestie, not her idol. Just a tool to be used to make (what she thought would be) hits.

I don't exactly look to Katy Perry for moral guidance so idc what she does

I’ll complicate it and say Luke wasn’t even the reason the teenage dream bops were bops. That would be max martin who has had a hand in basically every hit of hers. 

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22 hours ago, Scarlet Witch said:

Bullshit, the way everyone was excited for a Katy comeback until she released #that single with the rapist and everyone's expectations turned into backlash. They have no one else but themselves to blame for the lack of morals.

Tbh if the song was halfway decent she’d have been fine. It was absolutely garbage and that was the issue people couldn’t look past

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43 minutes ago, Stefi said:

who is producer of 143 ? bloodpop? or why is it so bad? 

The main concern is that it was produced nearly front-to-back by alleged r*pist Dr. Luke, including on songs about romance and female empowerment.

Aside from that, the songwriting is weaker than anything she's done before. Woman's World has been accused of copying the melody/production of Stupid Love by Gaga, as well as being an extremely vapid and surface-level take on feminism -- not helped by it having mostly male writers.

Edited Thursday at 12:14 AM by Railing

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God I’m so over her. You worked with Dr. Luke when you knew damn well you shouldn’t and that’s why your album flopped and you were rightly criticized for it.