The possibility of Justin's Believe tour out grossing the BTWB? Update

[StrawberryBlond 14,541]

Where are you getting the info that he struggled to sell out so many dates? When his tickets went on sale it was reported the entire US leg sold out the same day (not in seconds like his fans said). His box scores have all been reported as sell outs and pics from his shows seem like they are more packed than Gaga has been in NA (Toronto also looked packed, he performed to over 40,000 there). I'm not sure about Europe because I don't live there, but I know here in America he is a big draw as a touring artist and his team knows to capitalize on the summer touring market here in the US with him.

When gigs are reported as sell-outs, it actually means that tickets have met the bare minimum amount to be considered a sell-out. That was something I learned when Gaga's tour grosses started coming through, especially when less than 10,000 people in Bulgaria was regarded as a sell out. As seen in Gaga's gross for Peru, she couldn't reach the bare minimum tickets so it was the only show that got listed as 84% sold. From the attendance figures, it is clear that Justin is performing to not much more than the bare minimum. There were around 7,000 tickets left over from most dates. It's hard to make an "honest" sell out, but it can happen and there is no way that any of his shows were honest sell outs. Yes, he performed for just under 44,000 people in Toronto (mainly because it's where he's from), but the stadium can hold 55,000 for concerts. If it wasn't completely sold out, this is an indication that extra arena dates were not required, yet he's got another 40,600 people over two nights at the Air Canada Center. It doesn't make any sense. Gaga's team were smart by only giving her one stadium per area and didn't add extra arena dates on top of stadiums that she couldn't sell out. I think Justin's team are under the illusion that he really is the next king of pop but he's hardly a worldwide star. Europe doesn't care about him these days and even Australia hasn't responded as well recently. His biggest market is and always will be North America, but once he's touring elsewhere, it's a massive wake-up call to how much he lacks worldwide appeal.

[superman 32]

what i dont understand is why it has to be such a big deal if justin tour passes gaga s.he s a male artist and no competition for gaga.and its a gaga forum so why are there so many stats bout his tour?

[bumblebee 2,528]

what i dont understand is why it has to be such a big deal if justin tour passes gaga s.he s a male artist and no competition for gaga.and its a gaga forum so why are there so many stats bout his tour?

When it comes to the touring power comparing, it's not really important if it's male, female or a band. The touring artist is regarded as an act.

It's interesting to compare because there is much criticism from some major music experts who are pointing out that our generation can't provide with a major touring force. They say that in the highest grossing tours list it's hard to find acts from our generation, and the most successful and most attended concert tours usually come from the music veterans. It's another fact which points that the music industry is experiencing problems (along with fading sales numbers and strange lyrics).

Gaga's numbers dethrone those critics, she is on her way to place second in a row $200 M grossing and 2M in attendance tour, earning dem special respects and acknowledgements. To see the possibility that other artists may stand somewhere near her is always curios and exciting.

[chris777 112]

[Rollercoaster 2]

He is the same as Taylor swift really. Touring and making money in America but realising how little their star shines when they are elsewhere in the world.

[alejandroscunt 0]

I agree with what a lot of you are saying about him being more of an American touring artist than a global touring artist like gaga ... But look at his numbers ... He sells out 3 Stockholm arena dates and gaga played two. Last time I check Stockholm was in Europe and not America I suppose we'll know more when his tour finalises but he will defiantly get $150 million easy for the whole tour.

[superman 32]

so as a touring force its gaga and justin from this generation and then beyonce britney and rihanna lower

[TheMadridHash 4]

Well, I don't think he'll outgross it, but he might come relatively close (with like 150 -170m).

exactly

[hausofandrew 105]

I agree with what a lot of you are saying about him being more of an American touring artist than a global touring artist like gaga ... But look at his numbers ... He sells out 3 Stockholm arena dates and gaga played two. Last time I check Stockholm was in Europe and not America I suppose we'll know more when his tour finalises but he will defiantly get $150 million easy for the whole tour.

His previous tour was a disaster in Latin America. It flopped harder than Bionic sales. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_World_Tour#Box_office_score_data

[HausOfBee 0]

When gigs are reported as sell-outs, it actually means that tickets have met the bare minimum amount to be considered a sell-out. That was something I learned when Gaga's tour grosses started coming through, especially when less than 10,000 people in Bulgaria was regarded as a sell out. As seen in Gaga's gross for Peru, she couldn't reach the bare minimum tickets so it was the only show that got listed as 84% sold. From the attendance figures, it is clear that Justin is performing to not much more than the bare minimum. There were around 7,000 tickets left over from most dates. It's hard to make an "honest" sell out, but it can happen and there is no way that any of his shows were honest sell outs. Yes, he performed for just under 44,000 people in Toronto (mainly because it's where he's from), but the stadium can hold 55,000 for concerts. If it wasn't completely sold out, this is an indication that extra arena dates were not required, yet he's got another 40,600 people over two nights at the Air Canada Center. It doesn't make any sense. Gaga's team were smart by only giving her one stadium per area and didn't add extra arena dates on top of stadiums that she couldn't sell out. I think Justin's team are under the illusion that he really is the next king of pop but he's hardly a worldwide star. Europe doesn't care about him these days and even Australia hasn't responded as well recently. His biggest market is and always will be North America, but once he's touring elsewhere, it's a massive wake-up call to how much he lacks worldwide appeal.

I know what you're talking about with the shows being sold out due to the amount of tickets sold and not the capacity of the venue, and to correct you Peru was recorded as 100% sold out and it was Bogota that had the 84% attendance rate. I still don't see any evidence that he had around 7,000 seats available at his concerts, I've been looking for pictures to prove your point and cannot find any. I know that a lot of people love to hate Bieber and his WW album sales pale in comparison to his last album but you have to give credit where credit is due and admit that he is a touring force in North America (I'll give you Europe because I don't know much about his numbers there) but like I said earlier his people are smart for touring the US in the summer and focus on milking his strongest market for all it's worth in order to bump up his gross. He also said this tour will last around 2 years too so it will be interesting to see his overall gross when it's all said and done. Either way Gaga really cannot and should not be compared to him because they are on two different levels touring wise.

[Benjamin Monk 0]

In the uk Justin's tickets are £80 which is around $120 so his tix are same as gags and he's doing way more dates, I wouldn't be surprised of he out grosses her

[StrawberryBlond 14,541]

I know what you're talking about with the shows being sold out due to the amount of tickets sold and not the capacity of the venue, and to correct you Peru was recorded as 100% sold out and it was Bogota that had the 84% attendance rate. I still don't see any evidence that he had around 7,000 seats available at his concerts, I've been looking for pictures to prove your point and cannot find any. I know that a lot of people love to hate Bieber and his WW album sales pale in comparison to his last album but you have to give credit where credit is due and admit that he is a touring force in North America (I'll give you Europe because I don't know much about his numbers there) but like I said earlier his people are smart for touring the US in the summer and focus on milking his strongest market for all it's worth in order to bump up his gross. He also said this tour will last around 2 years too so it will be interesting to see his overall gross when it's all said and done. Either way Gaga really cannot and should not be compared to him because they are on two different levels touring wise.

Yes, sorry, I meant to see Colombia. Got mixed up. I'm not talking about looking at pictures - look at his attendances on the tours Wikipedia page and research what the concert capacity is at every arena. I calculated them all and most venues were 7000 or so under maximum capacity. There were a few gigs that he actually sold out, give or take a few hundred tickets - Portland, Vancouver, Edmonton, Saskatoon, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Montreal, Salt Lake City, Tulsa and Charlotte. Then there were very good attendance with between 3,000-4,000 tickets left - Las Vegas, Tacoma, Calgary, Winnipeg, East Rutherford, North Little Rock and Orlando. But then there were the shows with 6,000-10,000 tickets left over - Los Angeles, Fresno, Rosement, New York City, Atlanta and Miami being the worst. The stadium show in Toronto did very well, considering, but there were over 11,000 tickets left. The worst single show arena attendance was in Michigan at The Palace of Auburn Hills - 7,531 tickets left over, yet he's going to the Joe Louis arena in the summer. Double shows in New York and Los Angeles were meant to cater to 40,000 each, but 13,000 tickets were left from each area.

He struggled to see out arenas with his last tour, when he was at his peak, so I don't know how he's going to cope worldwide with decreased album sales. I certainly don't see people all over the globe showing an interest in him months down the line if they're not interested right now. The problem is that a singer's managment only seem to care about making it in America. It's like, they don't care if they make peanuts abroad, as long as they pull in millions in the States. That's why I'm glad Interscope has made Gaga into a worldwide act - it means she'll have fan loyalty and people will be fans of her when her tour comes to their country which no other artist ever goes to.

[Mansurf 0]

In the uk Justin's tickets are £80 which is around $120 so his tix are same as gags and he's doing way more dates, I wouldn't be surprised of he out grosses her

Ticketmaster disagree with you : Justin price rangeare £50 - £60 for the O2 and Manchester show . The fees doesnt count in the gross . the conversion in u.s money £ 50 = $ 78,5

the price of Gaga was £50 and £80 and the manchester show was £60 and £80.

she gross 12,5 millions with 2 stadium show and 1 arena show and a crowd of 116,700 people .

of course will gross a little more than gaga he have 11 show scheduled in U.K but how ?5 M of more than Gaga its not so much more . probably a crowd of 150 000 160 000 .

[Benjamin Monk 0]

Ticketmaster disagree with you : Justin price rangeare £50 - £60 for the O2 and Manchester show . The fees doesnt count in the gross . the conversion in u.s money £ 50 = $ 78,5

the price of Gaga was £50 and £80 and the manchester show was £60 and £80.

she gross 12,5 millions with 2 stadium show and 1 arena show and a crowd of 116,700 people .

of course will gross a little more than gaga he have 11 show scheduled in U.K but how ?5 M of more than Gaga its not so much more . probably a crowd of 150 000 160 000 .

Oh, sorry I was going on what my friend told me, she said she payed 80

[HausOfBee 0]

Yes, sorry, I meant to see Colombia. Got mixed up. I'm not talking about looking at pictures - look at his attendances on the tours Wikipedia page and research what the concert capacity is at every arena. I calculated them all and most venues were 7000 or so under maximum capacity. There were a few gigs that he actually sold out, give or take a few hundred tickets - Portland, Vancouver, Edmonton, Saskatoon, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Montreal, Salt Lake City, Tulsa and Charlotte. Then there were very good attendance with between 3,000-4,000 tickets left - Las Vegas, Tacoma, Calgary, Winnipeg, East Rutherford, North Little Rock and Orlando. But then there were the shows with 6,000-10,000 tickets left over - Los Angeles, Fresno, Rosement, New York City, Atlanta and Miami being the worst. The stadium show in Toronto did very well, considering, but there were over 11,000 tickets left. The worst single show arena attendance was in Michigan at The Palace of Auburn Hills - 7,531 tickets left over, yet he's going to the Joe Louis arena in the summer. Double shows in New York and Los Angeles were meant to cater to 40,000 each, but 13,000 tickets were left from each area.

He struggled to see out arenas with his last tour, when he was at his peak, so I don't know how he's going to cope worldwide with decreased album sales. I certainly don't see people all over the globe showing an interest in him months down the line if they're not interested right now. The problem is that a singer's managment only seem to care about making it in America. It's like, they don't care if they make peanuts abroad, as long as they pull in millions in the States. That's why I'm glad Interscope has made Gaga into a worldwide act - it means she'll have fan loyalty and people will be fans of her when her tour comes to their country which no other artist ever goes to.

Well if you use that logic than Gaga is flopping terribly, and so did Madonna and many other artists that have performed below the maximum capacity for many venues. I just feel like you have something against Bieber and since this is a Gaga fansite I will just drop this because it's not worth it. Back on topic: Believe Tour will not outgross the BTW Ball. /thread