Militants infiltrate Israel from Gaza & over 5,000 rockets fired towards Israel

[Dennis 8,391]

9 minutes ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

Edit: nevermind. My comment isn't worth whatever comes from it. Sorry mods. 

Digusting comment but glad you removed it. Never think that intentional murder of civilians can ever be used to make the world better. You have to realize these planes flew into the world trade centers knowing they'd kill almost exclusively civilians. To say that it was deserved is so sickening. But at least I'm glad you're questioning your opinion on second thought.

[PartySick 172,545]

4 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Which is precisely what I'm trying to understand. You said "extreme reaction to America's imperialism". A reaction usually means there's something you're reacting to. So we gotta be precise, we can't say oh well maybe AlQaida was avenging slavery. That'd be silly. AlQaida's ideology revolves around the idea that America is the enemy of muslims, except that there's literally nothing that America did that could be argued as a catalyst for this "extreme reaction".

I'm gonna let @deactivated001 take this one as a dedicated debate since I'm all debated out for the day but basically, American interference in the Middle East has its roots all the way back through the creation of Israel, to the cold war, and our actions meddled in the affairs of many Arab countries and millions of Arab lives. Obviously, extremism would be born out of that.

Sorry though, I think I misunderstood your use of the word "justified". I thought you were saying I believed 9/11 or Hamas' attacks were right or justified

My poor brain is cooked lmaooo. Way too much grief for one evening.

Peace, everyone

[Roughhouse Dandy 13,614]

7 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Digusting comment but glad you removed it. Never think that intentional murder of civilians/violence can ever be used to make the world better.

I deleted it to keep the hurt feelings to a minimum but I stand by the comment itself. And it's not disgusting at all lol if you keep antagonizing someone, eventually they're going to retaliate. We f***ed around one too many times and found out; it's sad what happened but it wouldn't have if we didn't needlessly, constantly meddle in affairs that don't concern us.  

[Dennis 8,391]

1 minute ago, Roughhouse Dandy said:

I deleted it to keep the hurt feelings to a minimum but I stand by the comment itself. And it's not disgusting at all lol if you keep antagonizing someone, eventually they're going to retaliate. We f***ed around one too many times and found out; it's sad what happened but it wouldn't have if we didn't needlessly, constantly meddle in affairs that don't concern us.  

So you stand by saying that America deserved 9/11? And let me follow your flawed logic, if your grievance was America's involvement in foreign affairs, did 9/11 curb that or exacerbate it? You see how your logic makes no sense, and how violence/murder of civilians doesn't help achieve the goals you're seeking?

[Roughhouse Dandy 13,614]

2 minutes ago, Dennis said:

So you stand by saying that America deserved 9/11? And let me follow your flawed logic, if your grievance was America's involvement in foreign affairs, did 9/11 curb that or exacerbate it? You see how your logic makes no sense, and how violence/murder of civilians doesn't help achieve the goals you're seeking?

And this is exactly why I deleted the comment in the first place. The logic isn't flawed; you just don't like it. None of your follow-up questions are even relevant to what I said in the post that was up for 5 seconds before getting deleted; you're just finding new angles to clutch pearls from your high horse. The comment isn't up. I'm not doing any of this with you. I hope you have a good night 💖

[Ladle Ghoulash 53,169]

2 minutes ago, XCX World said:

Are you surprised? They support the same people who were celebrating after the 9/11 attack (and there is a whole section in Wikipedia dedicated to the Palestinian celebration after those attacks)

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks

When Iran's leaders, who are big supporter of Hamas, shout death to the US, Israel, and the western world, why are you surprised?

Yeah and Israelis celebrated the attacks on the Gaza Strip. You can’t just cherry pick ****.

[Roughhouse Dandy 13,614]

1 minute ago, XCX World said:

Are you surprised? They support the same people who were celebrating after the 9/11 attack (and there is a whole section in Wikipedia dedicated to the Palestinian celebration after those attacks)

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks

When Iran's leaders, who are big supporter of Hamas, shout death to the US, Israel, and the western world, why are you surprised?

Lmao you didn't even see the comment they're (poorly) responding to, but sure, use it as a spring board to get on your soap box again anyway. Y'all have fun with that without me. Yw for the inspiration. 

[Ladle Ghoulash 53,169]

8 minutes ago, XCX World said:

A. On what occasion are we talking about? There were a lot of Israeli airstrikes in Gaza

B. Israeli airstrikes target TERRORISTS, so it's like blaming people from the US for celebrating Bin Laden assassination

A.) You acknowledging the fact that it happens on a regular basis should be enough for you to realize how uneven the warfare has been here. But here’s an article from 2014: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

B.) That false equivalency is actually insane. They didn’t kill hundreds of civilians during the operation when they finally assassinated Bin Laden. The fact of the matter is: the strikes on Gaza have resulted in hundreds of civilian deaths in the past day or two alone. If you can’t acknowledge that that type of carnage is also unnecessary (as I do not support Hamas’ actions), I don’t know what to tell you. 

[PartySick 172,545]

The death toll is 413 in Gaza since Israel fired back. 78 of them are reported to be children.

God knows how many kids were killed in Hamas' attack, I've only seen that it's 700 people.

Israel's government and Hamas...they're both so f*cking evil. All these innocent people dying for nothing.

Question for whoever wants to answer. I see that Israel has amassed 100,000 people to invade. Let's assume they won't be monsters like they've been shown to be in the past and they somehow remove Hamas from power.

What then?

[Future Lovers 7,616]

1 hour ago, XCX World said:

Israeli airstrikes target TERRORISTS

They don't often. They more often than not are aimed at civilian areas. 

[Future Lovers 7,616]

58 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Question for whoever wants to answer. I see that Israel has amassed 100,000 people to invade. Let's assume they won't be monsters like they've been shown to be in the past and they somehow remove Hamas from power.

What then?

Palestine will cease to exist. 

The goal is and always has been for Israel to take complete ownership of that land as they believe what we know as Palestine is still territory that they are promised. They will lean further into apartheid, remove Palestinians from their homes to be replaced by settlers, and if they don't leave willingly they will be killed. 

[misha4ever 2,077]

[Future Lovers 7,616]

Is it really necessary to keep making threads on this when all of this could be placed into the main thread about the attack? It just seems like we're trying to push a narrative now rather than discuss news. 

[PartySick 172,545]

16 minutes ago, Future Lovers said:

Palestine will cease to exist. 

The goal is and always has been for Israel to take complete ownership of that land as they believe what we know as Palestine is still territory that they are promised. They will lean further into apartheid, remove Palestinians from their homes to be replaced by settlers, and if they don't leave willingly they will be killed. 

Not...the answer I was hoping for...

I mean, how do they even fight back against this. It seems so hopeless.

[ALGAYDO 35,135]

22 minutes ago, misha4ever said:

Jesus, I did not know the scale of how many Palestinians were being harmed and killed by Israeli terrorist. No wonder a handful of people are brainwashed into thinking Hamas’ attack was something to be proud of. 

I hate how the government leaders on both sides have been hurting innocent people left and right. Just goes to show how ****ed up us humans are as a species