Mexico decriminalizes abortion

[Morphine Prince 94,430]

 

[Ricardo 7,497]

Mexican women won 

[SharkmanthaC 97,571]

Mexico moving forward, US moving backwards. 

[misha4ever 856]

I wish my country follows someday.

[phantasmas 6,672]

HELL YEAH

 

[phantasmas 6,672]

some of the best news ive heard in a while 

VIVA MEXICOOO!!!!!

[LoliLux 976]

I'm shocked to see how 14 people voted with LOVE for this, do you ever think of the long-term consequences? The only option I can vote for this is HORROR.

In 10-25 years advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will become widespread available and since gayness sometimes is genetically already pre-determined before birth, parents will use advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 and if given the choice, the vast majority will decide for athletic heterosexual kids and abort kids that have higher probability of gayness; or other factors they don't like; pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will allow to scan many variables with probability predictions. This will lead to a shrinkage of the gay community and is contrary to the interests of the gay community. This is a frightening & dreadful development/evolution imo.

You are celebrating this today.

You won't be celebrating this in future once you will experience the long-term effects.

This is opening pandoras box.

Edited September 7 by LoliLux

[Flippy 8,894]

4 hours ago, LoliLux said:

I'm shocked to see how 14 people voted with LOVE for this, do you ever think of the long-term consequences? The only option I can vote for this is HORROR.

In 10-25 years advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will become widespread available and since gayness sometimes is genetically already pre-determined before birth, parents will use advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 and if given the choice, the vast majority will decide for athletic heterosexual kids and abort kids that have higher probability of gayness; or other factors they don't like; pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will allow to scan many variables with probability predictions. This will lead to a shrinkage of the gay community and is contrary to the interests of the gay community. This is a frightening & dreadful development/evolution imo.

You are celebrating this today.

You won't be celebrating this in future once you will experience the long-term effects.

This is opening pandoras box.

Umm… what?

[River 83,481]

4 hours ago, LoliLux said:

I'm shocked to see how 14 people voted with LOVE for this, do you ever think of the long-term consequences? The only option I can vote for this is HORROR.

In 10-25 years advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will become widespread available and since gayness sometimes is genetically already pre-determined before birth, parents will use advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 and if given the choice, the vast majority will decide for athletic heterosexual kids and abort kids that have higher probability of gayness; or other factors they don't like; pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will allow to scan many variables with probability predictions. This will lead to a shrinkage of the gay community and is contrary to the interests of the gay community. This is a frightening & dreadful development/evolution imo.

You are celebrating this today.

You won't be celebrating this in future once you will experience the long-term effects.

This is opening pandoras box.

[SharkmanthaC 97,571]

7 hours ago, LoliLux said:

I'm shocked to see how 14 people voted with LOVE for this, do you ever think of the long-term consequences? The only option I can vote for this is HORROR.

In 10-25 years advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will become widespread available and since gayness sometimes is genetically already pre-determined before birth, parents will use advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 and if given the choice, the vast majority will decide for athletic heterosexual kids and abort kids that have higher probability of gayness; or other factors they don't like; pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will allow to scan many variables with probability predictions. This will lead to a shrinkage of the gay community and is contrary to the interests of the gay community. This is a frightening & dreadful development/evolution imo.

You are celebrating this today.

You won't be celebrating this in future once you will experience the long-term effects.

This is opening pandoras box.

Do you have a reliable source to back these claims up? Even if this so called genetic screening that you mention becomes a thing, have they proven that gayness is genetic? Have they determined which gene causes it? You’re saying a lot of things that aren’t even factual. And how do you know that “majority” of people will do this? I have a wealth of knowledge about things like genetic screenings because of doing IVF. There is no genetic screening 3.0 that you’re talking about or even mention of it coming in the future. 
 

Do you know what decriminalizing/legalizing abortion does do though? Saves lives. People with uteruses that become pregnant need access to abortion care because some pregnancies are so life threatening, they have no choice. Not all abortions are because someone “doesn’t want the baby.” And if it is used because the person doesn’t want the baby, decriminalizing it means those people now have access to safe medical care instead of back alley abortions. 

[Karl 2,451]

7 hours ago, LoliLux said:

I'm shocked to see how 14 people voted with LOVE for this, do you ever think of the long-term consequences? The only option I can vote for this is HORROR.

In 10-25 years advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will become widespread available and since gayness sometimes is genetically already pre-determined before birth, parents will use advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 and if given the choice, the vast majority will decide for athletic heterosexual kids and abort kids that have higher probability of gayness; or other factors they don't like; pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will allow to scan many variables with probability predictions. This will lead to a shrinkage of the gay community and is contrary to the interests of the gay community. This is a frightening & dreadful development/evolution imo.

You are celebrating this today.

You won't be celebrating this in future once you will experience the long-term effects.

This is opening pandoras box.

[Illuminati 15,018]

7 hours ago, LoliLux said:

I'm shocked to see how 14 people voted with LOVE for this, do you ever think of the long-term consequences? The only option I can vote for this is HORROR.

In 10-25 years advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will become widespread available and since gayness sometimes is genetically already pre-determined before birth, parents will use advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 and if given the choice, the vast majority will decide for athletic heterosexual kids and abort kids that have higher probability of gayness; or other factors they don't like; pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will allow to scan many variables with probability predictions. This will lead to a shrinkage of the gay community and is contrary to the interests of the gay community. This is a frightening & dreadful development/evolution imo.

You are celebrating this today.

You won't be celebrating this in future once you will experience the long-term effects.

This is opening pandoras box.

And what kind of society will the opposite lead to? We already see consequences of abortion bans and how it affects women at this very time around the world. Unlike the fantasy that you came up with that won't actually materialize.

[phantasmas 6,672]

11 hours ago, LoliLux said:

I'm shocked to see how 14 people voted with LOVE for this, do you ever think of the long-term consequences? The only option I can vote for this is HORROR.

In 10-25 years advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will become widespread available and since gayness sometimes is genetically already pre-determined before birth, parents will use advanced pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 and if given the choice, the vast majority will decide for athletic heterosexual kids and abort kids that have higher probability of gayness; or other factors they don't like; pre-natal genetic screening 3.0 will allow to scan many variables with probability predictions. This will lead to a shrinkage of the gay community and is contrary to the interests of the gay community. This is a frightening & dreadful development/evolution imo.

You are celebrating this today.

You won't be celebrating this in future once you will experience the long-term effects.

This is opening pandoras box.

i would so use this to make sure my kids are born gay as hell. down with the straights!! 

[LoliLux 976]

8 hours ago, Illuminati said:

1. We already see consequences of abortion bans and how it affects women at this very time around the world.

2. Unlike the fantasy that you came up with that won't actually materialize.

There were people who believed ChatGDP, artifical intelligence, cloning sheeps, the fall of the Berlin wall would never come. They were all wrong.

1. Women (Girls) used to be aborted in China and India using pre-natal genetic screening because they were considered as less than men. It is a myth that abortion only has benefits for women/the collective of women as a whole.

2. Pre-natal genetic screening already existing for detecing Down Syndrome. Of those who use, PNGS, 93% decide to abort kids that are predicted to have down syndrome. And you say you can't imagine this to happen in future towards gay kids. I think it is very likely and possible.

Source: "The researchers concluded that prenatal testing had reduced the birth prevalence of Down syndrome despite an increased rate of Down syndrome pregnancies. They further concluded that most women for whom a prenatal diagnosis of fetal Down syndrome is made chose to abort (93 percent), and this proportion had not changed over the study period (p. 1324)."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7273625/

Again, it is not relevant to me whether some people  cannot imagine this to happen. I have my sources, my scientists, my predictions, my way of judging things. It already is happening with disabled kids who are aborted using PNGS, and so it will with gay/lesbian kids and I do not welcome this frigthening development.

 

8 hours ago, SharkmanthaC said:

1. Do you have a reliable source to back these claims up?

2. Even if this so called genetic screening that you mention becomes a thing, have they proven that gayness is genetic? Have they determined which gene causes it?

3. You’re saying a lot of things that aren’t even factual.

4. And how do you know that “majority” of people will do this?

5. There is no genetic screening 3.0 that you’re talking about or even mention of it coming in the future. 

6. Do you know what decriminalizing/legalizing abortion does do though? Saves lives.

First, SharkmanthaC, thank you for not using the LMAO button to discredit me/opinion's you don't like and instead engaging in a discussion that is based on scientific arguments. I welcome your post. And because you ask in a reasonable manner, I will answer you now in a row:

1. Yes, I have. Actually, there is already significant research on this. I cannot post sources that are only accessible through university servers, usually these are the newest, but I can back up this claims with open source research:

"Thus we are concerned that
tests which do no more than suggest
a · predisposition for homo sexuality
would be favorably received in ho-
mophobic societies. If prospective
parents believe they are able to pre-
dict the sexual orientation of a fetus
by using a prenatal screening tech-
nique, it is possible that they would
choose to abort a fetus that seemed
to be "homosexually predisposed.In many countries, the preference for
male versus female offspring leads to
the abortion of female fetuses. This
preference is clearly connected to
sexism operating at a societal level. In
such instances, science is subverted
to serve the interests of discriminato-
ry societies. Thus, discrimination can
be institutionalized through genetic
screening techniques."

Page 9 in:

https://larc.cardozo.yu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1400&context=faculty-articles

Udo Schuklenk, Edward Stein, Jacinta Kerin & William Byne,
The Ethics of Genetic Research on Sexual
Orientation, 27 Hastings Center Report 6 (1997)

Further research:

"Given the widespread prejudice against, and hatred of, lesbians, gay men, and bisexuals in many societies, it seems likely that many parents will be interested in using genetic technologies to prevent the birth of children who will not be heterosexual. This paper considers the moral and legal implications of such procedures, whether or not they would work. It is argued that the availability of procedures to select the sexual orientation of children would contribute to discrimination and prejudice against lesbians, gay men and bisexuals and, more generally, undermine the maintenance of a just society."

In:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7551146/

Choosing the Sexual Orientation of Children

Bioethics, Vol. 12, No. 1, 1998

More:

"Considerable concern therefore exists that sexual orientation research may lead to genocide against homosexuals through the practice of selective abortion on the basis of a fetus's genetically identified sexual orientation."

In: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7551146/

Camb Q Healthc Ethics

. 1995 Summer;4(3):340-50.doi: 10.1017/s0963180100006083.

Abortion and the ethics of genetic sexual orientation research

T F Murphy  1

2. Most likely there is not a single "gay gene". It is much more complex. Multiple genes and combinations. It will take time to find it. Not as easy to detect as hair color or biological gender. As I've written ***sometimes***: it may be that certain peope have a clear genetic predispisition, while others do not have. Here on Gaga Daily, some people report in other topics "that they have always known that they have been gay", which is a hint that sexuality likely is genetically determined. For many it is not a free choice, they feel what there genetic predisposition makes them feel. While others didnt know it before 16 or 20 or so, here one could say that PNGS cannot detect it accurately [or that it will take more than 25 years to identify the less clear cases]. So it is complex. PNGS rarely says its "100% this way", it gives a probability than can be high but not too high or low but not too low.  Serious researches do not rule out this possibility and think of prenatal genetic screening for sexual orientation as conceivable. If science makes more advancements, I'm pretty sure that it will be possible. And of course they have not proven it yet, otherwise such screening would already exist. As you indirectly wrote in your question, it is (most likely) NOT a **single** gene. This is why it is much harder to find and determine, because it is a complex conbination of multiple genetic constellations. But they may find it in future. And again, many scientists are convinced that it is only a question of time to find it. Do you have evidence that it is not coming? In neither direction can we have it. It is hard to provide hard evidence for theories that are suspected to happen in future and it is hard, if not impossible, provide hard evidence for something that is not expected to happen. It's based on theory.

3. There is research about it and much in science is based on theories. That doesn't mean it's not beocming reality at some point in time. They make progress in prenatal genetic screening. Again, it is likely that it will be possible in 10-25 years.

 

4. Because homosexuality is considered by many  as a stigma. I don't know how many exactly will do it. In Iceland, nearly 100% of the population that uses pre-natal genetic screening for future childern aborts a kid if it has a high probability of having a down syndrome. Many people will value heterosexuality over homosexuality. Also remember: many people just lie when they say they are tolerant about homosexuality, secretly they do not want their kids to be gay. They may say they are OK with homosexuality as long as it does not affect them directly. Don't judge people by their words, judge htem by their action.

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7273625/

"In some countries, Iceland for example, the abortion rate after receiving a positive test for Down syndrome is nearly 100 percent (Quinones and Lajka 2017, paragraph 2)."

5. It is assumed that it will come in future, see sources. You can search for it for more in databases in universities (requires often uni subscription). (If English is your native language, this is an advantage because the whole discourse about PNGS is nearly entirely in English-only and requires a good level of it.)

6. I respect your opinion, here we have different opinions on how this impacts society as a whole. Here we put our focus on different things and this explains why we judge things differently.

At least I hope that I could have shown edivdence and convince at least 1 reader of this topic. Otherwise my effort was in vain.

Edited September 7 by LoliLux

[SharkmanthaC 97,571]

I want to address several points. 

3 hours ago, LoliLux said:

There were people who believed ChatGDP, artifical intelligence, cloning sheeps, the fall of the Berlin wall would never come. They were all wrong.

1. Women (Girls) used to be aborted in China and India using pre-natal genetic screening because they were considered as less than men. It is a myth that abortion only has benefits for women/the collective of women as a whole.

 

While this may be true, it doesn't convince me that abortion shouldn't be legal.

3 hours ago, LoliLux said:

2. Pre-natal genetic screening already existing for detecing Down Syndrome. Of those who use, PNGS, 93% decide to abort kids that are predicted to have down syndrome. And you say you can't imagine this to happen in future towards gay kids. I think it is very likely and possible.

Source: "The researchers concluded that prenatal testing had reduced the birth prevalence of Down syndrome despite an increased rate of Down syndrome pregnancies. They further concluded that most women for whom a prenatal diagnosis of fetal Down syndrome is made chose to abort (93 percent), and this proportion had not changed over the study period (p. 1324)."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7273625/

Again, it is not relevant to me whether some people  cannot imagine this to happen. I have my sources, my scientists, my predictions, my way of judging things. It already is happening with disabled kids who are aborted using PNGS, and so it will with gay/lesbian kids and I do not welcome this frigthening development.

PNG testing is the same kind of testing they use for embryos in IVF. If an embryo comes back to have downs syndrome, they will not transfer it because down syndrome embryos are a lot more likely to miscarry. A good percentage of miscarriages are because of the fetus having a type of down syndrome. Also, it is possible that these are miscarriages but articles are saying they are abortions because medically, a miscarriage is referred to as a spontaneous abortion. Some of the parents may not have had a choice but to have an abortion for a very much wanted child, regardless of their disability. They may have been told the child would not survive or was suffering. 

I'm not saying it's outlandish to think people would use genetic testing in order to make sure their child isn't gay. I mean look at the lengths people are going to to keep them from any kind of exposure to a gay person in places like Florida. What I am saying is that I don't think this is going to be happening in the near future, possibly not even in our lifetimes. I still believe abortions should be legal and decriminalized. If you sat in on my support group and heard some of the gut-wrenching stories from some of these women, you'd understand my perspective. Abortion is healthcare.