EBU In Discussion On Jury System For Eurovision 2024 After Controversial 2023 Result

[RAMROD 105,011]

It has been confirmed that the European Broadcasting Union is assessing changes to the jury voting system for the Eurovision Song Contest.

TV2 reports that during an NRK Broadcasting Council meeting, it has been confirmed that the EBU is discussing the jury system at the Eurovision Song Contest. Thea Flinder, the NRK Project Manager for Melodi Grand Prix, confirmed that NRK has been in dialogue with the European Broadcasting Union regarding the current jury voting system. Ms Flinder commented:

“The commitment shows that this may be a good time for the EBU to make a proper assessment of the jury system.”

She went on to add that

“We (NRK) are in dialogue with the EBU and have been told that it will be assessed and finally decided in January.”

The Eurovision Song Contest Reference Group which oversees changes to the format and rules of the contest is discussing the matter and will ultimately have a say in whether the jury voting at the contest is changed.

Currently, the voting system at the Eurovision Song Contest sees the winner determined by the voting public in the competing countries and online vote, and the juries of each of the participating countries. Each jury is formed of five persons who rank all the songs from 1st to last, the average of this jury then determines 50% of the overall results.

Following the victory of Loreen at Eurovision 2023, there has been intense discussion regarding Loreen winning as the jury favourite and the public’s second favourite. While the public favourite Käärijä was 4th with the juries.

Sweden – Loreen – “Tattoo”

Overall results – 1st – 583 points

Jury Placing – 1st – 340 points (15 sets of 12 points, margin of 163 points over 2nd)

Public Placing – 2nd – 243 points (0 sets of 12 points)

Finland – Käärijä – “Cha Cha Cha”

Overall results – 2nd – 526 points

Jury Placing – 4th – 150 points (2 sets of 12 points)

Public Placing – 1st – 376 points (18 sets of 12 points, margin of 133 points over 2nd)

As a result of the perception that the juries enabled Loreen to win the contest without being the overall favourite of any national televote, questions have been raised regarding the power of the 5 jurors in each country.

The Eurovision Reference Group and EBU regularly review the format of the Eurovision Song Contest and potential changes that could be made.

 

 

https://eurovoix.com/2023/06/14/ebu-discussions-changes-jury-system-eurovision-2024/

[Jester 6,289]

Tbh the only reason to keep the jury is the dramatic vote reading at the end as the culmination of the event.

[MonSwiftAnton 3,697]

10 minutes ago, Jester said:

Tbh the only reason to keep the jury is the dramatic vote reading at the end as the culmination of the event.

And to have winners the test of time. With the jury mostly is there to ensure the quality of the songs and the performance the winning songs can actually do that.

Otherwise this will become an even more ridiculous competitions where only gimmicks and stupidity will win.

[Jester 6,289]

8 minutes ago, MonSwiftAnton said:

And to have winners the test of time. With the jury mostly is there to ensure the quality of the songs and the performance the winning songs can actually do that.

Otherwise this will become an even more ridiculous competitions where only gimmicks and stupidity will win.

Debatable.

When you take a look at the members of the jury, they are not actually real experts at all. Mostly ex contestants, or unknown musicians, or even just showbiz people that never made it themselves. Not sure how relevant their opinion on quality or standing the test of time is.

[dberrin 866]

I really don’t understand why people love cha cha cha. It’s an awful song and the performance was so unserious and ridiculous… I know some people find it fun, but can’t people vote for good quality music instead of just « fun » music ?

I’m for the jury to stay aha

[Debithius 5,555]

21 minutes ago, Jester said:

Debatable.

When you take a look at the members of the jury, they are not actually real experts at all. Mostly ex contestants, or unknown musicians, or even just showbiz people that never made it themselves. Not sure how relevant their opinion on quality or standing the test of time is.

It's not really debatable. Didn't you see how the semi finals went without the juries this year? People cried to bring them back because the public vote alone doesn't award quality at all.

[MonSwiftAnton 3,697]

30 minutes ago, Jester said:

Debatable.

When you take a look at the members of the jury, they are not actually real experts at all. Mostly ex contestants, or unknown musicians, or even just showbiz people that never made it themselves. Not sure how relevant their opinion on quality or standing the test of time is.

They might not be experts, but the brief of their job is to crown a winner with quality. This year it looks like they managed to do that with Cha Cha Cha falling out of a lot of Spotify charts while Tattoo is still pretty high all over Europe and at no 58 globally a month after the competition. Without the jury, Norway would've won it in 2019 with a jokey yodeling song and Duncan Lawrence that now has over 1 billion combined streams on Spotify would've not. 

[RAMROD 105,011]

58 minutes ago, dberrin said:

I really don’t understand why people love cha cha cha. It’s an awful song and the performance was so unserious and ridiculous… I know some people find it fun, but can’t people vote for good quality music instead of just « fun » music ?

I’m for the jury to stay aha

So you're calling Industrial music ridiculous. Wowwwwwwwwww 

[dberrin 866]

24 minutes ago, RAMROD said:

So you're calling Industrial music ridiculous. Wowwwwwwwwww 

No I m calling a music with a chorus repeating cha cha cha cha ridiculous. Also we ce been criticizing enigma a lot on this website. Don’t his outfit makes you think of Gaga outfit during enigma lol ? I don’t know maybe I’m biased but i am not a fan at all of that whole performance and song.

[Jester 6,289]

4 hours ago, dberrin said:

No I m calling a music with a chorus repeating cha cha cha cha ridiculous. Also we ce been criticizing enigma a lot on this website. Don’t his outfit makes you think of Gaga outfit during enigma lol ? I don’t know maybe I’m biased but i am not a fan at all of that whole performance and song.

Let me remind you that you're stanning the ra ra ma ma ma shalalala papa papa razzi singer

[dberrin 866]

12 minutes ago, Jester said:

Let me remind you that you're stanning the ra ra ma ma ma shalalala papa papa razzi singer

You re right aha I just don’t like the song I guess 

[nATAH 43,431]

6 hours ago, dberrin said:

I really don’t understand why people love cha cha cha. It’s an awful song and the performance was so unserious and ridiculous… I know some people find it fun, but can’t people vote for good quality music instead of just « fun » music ?

I’m for the jury to stay aha

cha cha cha is a f*cking beast of a bop

[Juanlittlem 42,001]

Norway is just mad that they flopped on the jury when Alessandra failed to deliver vocally and the only reason she got so much points from televote it's 'cause people already knew the song from Tiktok and they were confident she would place good.
Juries deserve to stay at least at the final, but I do agree they can tweak it a little bit, maybe add more juries instead of having just 5? Like maybe for 5 people is easier to have similar taste, but what if we had 15/25 juries for each country? You wouldn't give all that power to such a low number of people.

[Juanlittlem 42,001]

6 hours ago, MonSwiftAnton said:

Without the jury, Norway would've won it in 2019 with a jokey yodeling song and Duncan Lawrence

I do think Norway would've been a great winner too! Juries didn't like them that much + they probably also scored lower on juries because of that camera fail.

But Duncan was the best that year for sure. 

[bionic 43,865]

the juries should be gone or reduced in power.

the show isn't just about making the best song. if it were it would be a radio show. its about the performance and if the public prefer something outside the generic norms then why shouldn't that be favored? punished because people actually like your song and its memorable, but not a technical fit within the pop stratosphere? its a joke babes