The Hate Against Lady Gaga and how the Left Keeps Shooting Itself in the Foot

[Ladle Ghoulash 18,811]

  On 6/15/2023 at 4:31 PM, StarstruckIllusion said:

Most people cant tell the difference between radlibs and leftists, I fear. I read OP and was like “SocDems would never give this much of a ****”

The real ones know being upset over this isn’t attacking the route of the issue, so it’s not worth anything more than a “lol cringe.”

It’s like OP is claiming lefty values exist and yet using a whole other group of trolls to call some hypocrites. 
 

Where are these receipts that these are the same group of people - bc this framing makes no sense to me. 

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Literally this. There is no ethical consumption under corporate capitalism and yet people act like there's some third way for Gaga to both thrive in a corporate capitalist system and also somehow reform it into something anti-capitalist. It's actually insane.

[Guillaume Hamon 6,189]

  On 6/15/2023 at 4:00 PM, G U C C I said:

https://www.drugs.com/price-guide/nurtec-odt#:~:text=The cost for Nurtec ODT,on the pharmacy you visit.
 

“The cost for Nurtec ODT oral tablet, disintegrating 75 mg is around $1,011 for a supply of 8 tablets, depending on the pharmacy you visit. Quoted prices are for cash-paying customers and are not valid with insurance plans. This price guide is based on using the Drugs.com discount card which is accepted at most U.S. pharmacies.

Nurtec ODT is available as a brand name drug only, a generic version is not yet available. View generic Nurtec ODT availability for more details.”

 

the drug not having a generic is why they are doing deals to promote because there is not a cheaper alternative for cash paying patients or insurance companies to substitute with. 

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Jesus the US medical treatments prices are so crazy...

No wonder folks are so tough on big labs lobbying to keep things this way.

[G U C C I 5,444]

  On 6/15/2023 at 4:43 PM, deactivated001 said:

Literally this. There is no ethical consumption under corporate capitalism and yet people act like there's some third way for Gaga to both thrive in a corporate capitalist system and also somehow reform it into something anti-capitalist. It's actually insane.

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Healthcare and medication are not, nor should they ever be considered, commodities for consumption! The fact that shilling pills is seen as just another product to some of you is troubling. She can thrive selling makeup, art, or whatever else she pleases and if you were truly anti capitalist you wouldn’t consume any of it anyway lol. Me and most of the other people here are simply making a level-headed distinction between healthcare and paid partnerships and ethical business practices. I buy or stream everything she puts out but this sh!t is disappointing low move for her. 

[Ladle Ghoulash 18,811]

  On 6/15/2023 at 4:58 PM, G U C C I said:

Healthcare and medication are not, nor should they ever be considered, commodities for consumption! The fact that shilling pills is seen as just another product to some of you is troubling. She can thrive selling makeup, art, or whatever else she pleases and if you are truly anti capitalist you wouldn’t consume any of it anyway lol. Me and most of the other people here simply making a level-headed distinction between healthcare and paid partnerships and ethical business practices. I am far from I buy or stream everything she puts out but this sh!t is disappointing low move for her. 

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Again, you're assuming I'm espousing my personal values. I'm not. I'm saying this is how the system functions. I absolutely believe that healthcare is a right, but I also don't think it's necessarily that shocking that an artist that works in a corporate system wouldn't advocate for that. 

[Economy 48,720]

  On 6/14/2023 at 5:52 PM, dberrin said:

This is so hard seeing those comments on her insta post. She did advocate during the tour for lgbtq+ rights. I remember her saying they better not come for gay marriage in ny to the Supreme Court. She said during every shows in red state that she hopes they turn blue.

she made campaign for Biden and we all know how bad it can be career wise (ie Katy perry)

she is taking risks for us. And yes the pfizer deal is not perfect. I work in pharma and I know they find rep candidates because they are definitely better for the economy of the pharma industry. However, they fund a lot of lgbtq+ organization too… not trying to defend them at all but it’s not all bad or all good.

anyway I love Gaga and she stays a true friend of the lgbtq+ community

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Ah so this is the controversy I heard about?

 

Honestly I kinda get annoyed when ppl make such a huge thing about someone getting involved with a company or whatever that indirectly has involvement with someone or something LGBT

 

When a correlation is more direct I get it. But when u start to get very indirect like that it starts to get super complicated. Virtually everyone has some connection to someone that in turn indirectly is involved with something questionable or outright bad

 

The entire world becomes a minefield if u wanna be that nitty gritty because the entire world is interconnected and everyday ppl couldn't stand it if the standards they set on celebs were set on themselves as well as the same critics probably enjoy services or connections to someone or something that probably has an indirect connection to something

 

Gaga getting involved with Pfizer, who supports a few candidates that happen to be anti-LGBT but that isn't even the reason they support them as candidates starts to become too indirect for Gaga to be dragged for this

 

I feel some woke obsessed ppl have an issue with hyper focusing on specific themes more than focusing on the general principal of ending injustice

[nATAH 45,898]

  On 6/14/2023 at 7:04 PM, Gagaism said:

I don’t care about the pill thing like, go get your coins girl and that’s fine. 
The only thing that really bothers me is using the show footage like, after all these years we only got the professional records of TMBT in DVD and the Artrave streaming, other that that only rumors and clownery. 

Like for people who are really there to support the artist and their ART which is my thing it’s really frustrating seeing that ad, it feels so random.

Other than that, not a big deal and the hate is really unnecessary and waaaayyy to much especially knowing the kind of person and human being she is. 

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it is annoying but somebody said it's footage from the miami show, not the hyped up LA one

[Gaga2645 2,163]

  On 6/15/2023 at 5:43 PM, NATAH said:

it is annoying but somebody said it's footage from the miami show, not the hyped up LA one

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Nah this has to be LA, no? The stands all have the light up wrist bands 👀

[skedaddleBItCh 2,803]

  On 6/15/2023 at 5:43 PM, NATAH said:

it is annoying but somebody said it's footage from the miami show, not the hyped up LA one

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I think they used different tour dates for the advert, and please the whole recording setup in the LA isn't just for the pill advert, like, did people forgot about the wristbands and the fireworks the LA show was definitely recorded for a tour film, there are no other reasons. Now the problem is when or even if it will be released. I saw some stans complaining about Gaga just giving LMs false hope by having the TCB recorded just for the ad, but that's definitely not the case

[nATAH 45,898]

  On 6/15/2023 at 6:53 PM, Gaga2645 said:

Nah this has to be LA, no? The stands all have the light up wrist bands 👀

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idk i only watched the ad once because idc for it

[Gaga2645 2,163]

  On 6/15/2023 at 7:04 PM, NATAH said:

idk i only watched the ad once because idc for it

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I saw professions chroma ball footage and kept replay re re play ay aying it 

[nATAH 45,898]

  On 6/15/2023 at 7:32 PM, Gaga2645 said:

I saw professions chroma ball footage and kept replay re re play ay aying it 

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i was like "oh great another product idc about"

[Guillaume Hamon 6,189]

  On 6/15/2023 at 5:18 PM, Economy said:

Gaga getting involved with Pfizer, who supports a few candidates that happen to be anti-LGBT but that isn't even the reason they support them as candidates starts to become too indirect for Gaga to be dragged for this

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Pfizer also had bribing accusations, lobbied against whistleblowers, payed multiple settlements to patients for complications related to their products or to the DOJ after a massive fraudulent marketing case etc...

I can understand why folks wish she wouldn't work with such a shady firm cause this one has more skeletons in its closet than the many big groups she worked with so far.

[BornAsUnic0rn 2,017]

  On 6/14/2023 at 10:16 PM, Reality said:

Publicly addressing it and tweeting about these types of things could've helped, but aside from public support, what else would have that accomplished? Anyone who knows Gaga knows that she stands with and supports the queer community, so her word doesn't have as much impact as Disney throwing their first official pride or country artists bringing drag queens to their concerts. She'd be preaching to the choir while the other two are much more significant advances in queer acceptance and liberation.

Also, let's not forget that Gaga is on an official White House committee now. For all we know, she might be talking about these types of issues behind the scenes with actual politicians and legislature. She also has the BTW Foundation, which she is also constantly working on. Those are also things that have real meaningful impact. So it's not like she's doing absolutely nothing and just sitting around her mansion all day. 

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When a blue president was sitting in the White House, with a blue majority in both chambers she shouted at him right in Washington DC to repeal DADT. „Obama are you listening?“ She wore ****ing meat and went to the VMAs with ex vets to demonstrate her opposition to DADT. Her career is partially based on feminism and her fight for gay/queer rights. It once was at the core of the Lady Gaga brand.

Where is this public rallying when (red) politicians are actually quite literally trying to take away the rights of minorities? Her voice was never more needed than now. If she really wanted to make the world better „one sequin at a time“, now is the time. Whenever she talks about politics now, it’s literally an ad for the Democrats.

She went from a queer activist pressuring people in power to do the right thing, into a shallow politician pandering to the queer voters to get her party to power. At least that are the optics she decided to create.

 

And as much as I love her, and I always will, because of the things she did in her first 10 years.. I totally understand the backlash she is receiving. This Pfizer/big pharma ad just was the tipping point of something that started shifting with her 5 years ago. 

 

[The Wolf 3,987]

Unfortunately this fanbase can be entitled and toxic without even realizing that many of the intentions are good but come across as incredibly annoying. They hold Gaga to a level of activism that is dumb in the extreme. Imagine endlessly dragging a woman who is a proven ally because she has not said as much in recent years as you would like or criticizing capitalist tendancies when you yourselves are living in that very system, benefiting from that system, taking part in it and enabling it, the hyprocrisy is too much for me sometimes. People can live in denial if they want but obnoxious gatekeeping needs to be called out.

[LukiiGleek 181]

Part of being human means realising that other people (Lady Gaga) are not responsible for always being in agreement with our opinions, principles and decisions. Others are responsible for themselves we are responsible for ourselves. Learning to tolerate the discomfort of not agreeing with others can be very healthy and allow for more flexible relationships. If I don't agree with her supporting a politician or being the spokesperson for a medication then that is totally fine. Otherwise we end up constantly losing relationships because others don't represent us all the time and that would be a bit sad