YourEvilTwin 1,336 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Just now, Cameltoe Chariot said: I would argue that the onus never fell on trans people in these instances with Rowling and Chapelle - it was and continues to be on the non-trans people adding to the rage and anger without actually using their privilege to educate and advocate for the trans community My issue is with these so-called allies that just troll and mock otherwise well-intentioned people. It's all about an ego stroke for them, and not actually converting supporters or advocating for the trans community. They cosplay trans anger and then get to call themselves a good person when all they did was throw more gas on the fire... there are examples of that behaviour in this very thread, actually BREAKING: Most people only consume 16-25k calories a day and have ~16 waking hours to spend on all their obligations. No one could possibly care about every cause under the sun - not even the terminally online - much less "educate and advocate for" them. That's why it's important to win over allies by making them feel good about fighting for your cause alongside you - as volunteers as opposed to subordinates. Y'all are doing the exact opposite of that by making them walk on eggshells around you at all times. Sucks I know, but no one is entitled to anyone's solidarity. Like everything in life, it has to be earned. People are, however, entitled to tuning out anything that makes them feel like **** and focusing on whatever brings joy to their day instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafBug 7,256 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 18 minutes ago, YourEvilTwin said: BREAKING: Most people only consume 16-25k calories a day and have ~16 waking hours to spend on all their obligations. No one could possibly care about every cause under the sun - not even the terminally online - much less "educate and advocate for" them. That's why it's important to win over allies by making them feel good about fighting for your cause alongside you - as volunteers as opposed to subordinates. Y'all are doing the exact opposite of that by making them walk on eggshells around you at all times. Sucks I know, but no one is entitled to anyone's solidarity. Like everything in life, it has to be earned. People are, however, entitled to tuning out anything that makes them feel like **** and focusing on whatever brings joy to their day instead. @PartySickIf I had replied to you this is what I would write (sry my English is so messy ). You don’t get people to fight for your cause by casting aside allies you don’t consider dedicated enough by your standards. Pick your fights carefully. Police? Sure. People who are already supporting LGBT causes even if it’s not their primary concern? Think about whether it’s worth alienating them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Empty 24,255 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 I just wanna mention that the game features a trans character (although briefly) and gender isn't fixed to your appearance/voice when you're creating a character. So the game doesn't exactly scream "transfobic" on its own accord. Obviously that doesnt change anything about Rowling, but it should be mentioned. Happiness will never last, darkness comes to kick your ass... ᵃˢˢ 🕺 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameltoe Chariot 14,248 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Just now, Why am I on GGD said: I just wanna mention that the game features a trans character (although briefly) and gender isn't fixed to your appearance/voice when you're creating a character. So the game doesn't exactly scream "transfobic" on its own accord. Obviously that doesnt change anything about Rowling, but it should be mentioned. There are queer characters throughout the game - yesterday I saved an older witch from dark wizards while she was doing research in the woods, and afterward she casually mentioned her wife while talking to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl 3,166 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 The game in itself is very diverse though in terms of gender identity and race, featuring a lot of different kinds of people including a trans character and allowing you to create non binary characters. I don't think JK had much to do with this game, and I'm pretty sure the 100s of staff working on it don't share the same views as these two people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prostitute Barbie 4,074 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 That’s sucks but I’m going to keep playing anyway… so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TortureMeOnReplay 5,785 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, PartySick said: People who are turned away from being allies by something that trivial weren't really dedicated allies to begin with and the LGBT community likely was already not a part of their decision making when it comes to who to vote for or what they give their money to. Just my two cents Yes that's my point. The people who are indifferent, not already allies, are gonna be turned away and create some resentment for the attitude people hold about the game. This isn't as much about real allies as it is about people who are being exposed to trans thoughts for the first time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nATAH 42,236 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, YourEvilTwin said: BREAKING: Most people only consume 16-25k calories a day 16-25k calories?! mother, what must i do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionic 41,834 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 25 minutes ago, NATAH said: 16-25k calories?! sounds like a light snack buy bionic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaga2645 2,050 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 I beg whoever is hell bent on destroying this game and ruining it for longtime fans to go outside and touch grass. Like Rowling’s TERF a$$ geared the story TOWARDS those who felt alienation in the real world. PLENTY of LMNOP’s & BiPOC are still playing the game, let them live. Like why do y’all have to find every excuse to bark at the already disenfranchised individuals who have a longtime attachment to this IP. I also know multiple trans friends who still love this game so in all honesty? I see a lot of the policing of this video game coming from chronically online twitter users and they’re 9 times out of 10 white and trying to call the game racist now as well? Like what? Baby log off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCHofficial 5,293 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 I'm playing the game and everything else Isn't my problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyoha 1,602 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 This will go down in History as a prime example of ineffectual activism. People think they’re doing good but they’re just being argumentative, judgemental trolls while pushing potential allies away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
misha4ever 1,166 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 9 hours ago, Benji said: Good, at least those that still wish to play the game for some reason have a more ethical way of playing. Find it crazy any member of the LGBT+ or anyone who considers themselves an ally would line the pockets of the alt right. I know people who have bought it because they want to support the anti-LGBT obsession, people who don't normally have $75+ dollars for videogames and normally don't care for HP. Immature man babies (they are all men btw) english is not my native language >.< Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meruk Holland 2,054 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 While I don't think it's productive to tell people not to buy and play the game, I understand the sentiment completely. I appreciate the people pointing out that there isn't really such a thing as ethical consumption, but it kinda misses the point with this specific case. Rowling is actively gauging the success of this game to infer the general public's acceptance of her gender critical activism, even if that's not how the public sees their consumption. The game could literally make her $0, and I'd still encourage people not to buy or play it. It's not the financial power that this game is giving her, its the social power, the motivation. Apple and Walmart and Amazon don't exactly equate their success with the public's acceptance of their morals and political views. (Twitter is another case where its success, or rather it's failure, is indicating to Musk his popularity. But it gets more complicated where, as a social media platform, its used to spread misinformation and disinformation, and there is a moral imperative to fight against that, while also being a moral imperative to actively boycott Twitter because of Musk. Creating this dissonance where people either accept "Can't use twitter" "must use twitter to fight bad faith actors" or "no such thing as ethical consumption so doesn't matter if I use it or not") Rowling is the biggest face of transphobia currently, so seeing people consuming her IP can be rather traumatizing to trans people, because much like Rowling, it appears as support, or at least complacence, of her personal views. It appears the game was always going to be a success, but it's not the general public playing the game that's the most traumatizing, it's those within the community playing it that hurts the most. So I understand the hostile, defensive, and emotional response and pleas to not play the game. It's a trauma response (or a white-knight response to others' trauma). It's not supposed to be productive. Which is unfortunate because it will only alienate potential allies who are on the other end of that response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto 13,277 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 For me it's not even about boycotting anymore. She just took a massive dump on her own franchise and I just don't care about it any longer. The game looks cool though Free my mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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