Denmark Plans To Have Mandatory Military Draft For Women

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Women in Denmark should face the same military conscription requirements as men, the country’s defense minister said this week amid rising tensions in Europe following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

In an interview with Danish television, Defense Minister Jakob Ellemann-Jensensaid Denmark can no longer afford to accept only volunteers into the military and everyone — including women — should be part of the equation.

In an unusually frank interview, Mr. Ellemann-Jensen said the government is not currently able to adequately defend itself without increased conscription — including women — and a larger military budget.

Those concerns are believed to be part of Denmark’s hesitancy to send any of its main battle tanks to Ukraine as other European countries are doing. Denmark has 44 tanks in its inventory and 14 are currently deployed to the Baltic region, Mr. Ellemann-Jensensaid.
 

https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jan/26/danish-defense-minister-jakob-ellemann-jensen-says/

[PartySick 122,858]

How about no draft for anyone?

[Economy 42,035]

7 minutes ago, PartySick said:

How about no draft for anyone?

Tbh

 

If ur gonna have a draft I think it's unfair only men get drafted. True men are a lot more likely to meet the physical requirements for certain types of positions but u can still look at people individually (even if it means men might make up a disproportionately higher amount of ones chosen. Also it's not like the military consists of only front lines anyway.

 

That being said even more fair is to not conscript anyone.

 

I'd refuse even if it meant jail. Not only am I not risking my life but I also refuse to potentially kill another human being.

 

Even if I were convinced my nation was in the right over an issue I still couldn't justify it in my mind

 

Edited January 27 by Economy

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now hold on, maybe i do not want equal rights anymore 

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they slayed

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I think this makes sense if Denmark has the same view that a lot of other countries do. If they believe that women and men are equal and that gender is nothing but a social construct then why wouldn’t they do this?

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Conservatives and racists first please.....

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2 hours ago, Economy said:

I'd refuse even if it meant jail. Not only am I not risking my life but I also refuse to potentially kill another human being.

This is an odd view if you genuinely mean never. Obviously no one here would want to be in that situation of *having* to kill someone. But let's say an invader is holding a gun to your head or your mom or something, knowing that if you don't do something you might lose your own life or watch your mom be killed. Would you still refuse to do it?

I'd 100% do it. I don't give a ****. If someone is going to take away a family member from me, I'd spend the rest of my life in guilt knowing that I didn't stop it. The act of killing someone in that instance will take a toll on my mental health, but I think I'd suffer a lot more if I did nothing and simply watched as my loved ones be killed.

 

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7 minutes ago, Dennis said:

This is an odd view. Obviously no one here would want to be in that situation of *having* to kill someone. But let's say an invader is holding a gun to your head or your mom or something, knowing that if you don't do something you might lose your own life or watch your mom be killed. Would you still refuse to do it?

I'd 100% do it. I don't give a ****. If someone is going to take away a family member from me, I'd spend the rest of my life in guilt knowing that I didn't stop it. The act of killing someone in that instance will take a toll on my mental health, but I think I'd suffer a lot more if I did nothing and simply watched as my loved ones be killed.

 

Perhaps but I don't think the situation is quite the same

 

In the army ud potentially kill ppl u know nothing about, how they got there (were they forced in the military also?), and their backstory as an individual and ppl whose involvement in an issue is not necessarily directed at u specifically

 

It becomes a lot more grey and unknown I think

 

Even if my Nation was 100% innocent in an invasion (say Ukraine). Me killing another soldier probably wouldn't change that outcome anyway but it would make me 100% guilty of murder of an individual I know nothing about

 

Maybe he has a son or daughter with a severe disability that depends on them for their survival. An innocent child that has no fault in the nation's war

 

The point is, it's not something I'd wanna do

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7 minutes ago, Economy said:

Perhaps but I don't think the situation is quite the same

 

In the army ud potentially kill ppl u know nothing about, how they got there (were they forced in the military also?), and their backstory as an individual and ppl whose involvement in an issue is not necessarily directed at u specifically

 

It becomes a lot more grey and unknown I think

ah okay I thought that you had an absolute principle of refusing to do it. Yeah I agree, in wars it becomes a lot more complicated. But personally I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I'm fighting invaders, as opposed to being deployed to another country to invade it. I think if I'm deployed to a war against my own will to kill people I know are innocent, I'd probably shoot myself since I might die anyway, I don't think I'd ever be willing to take away an innocent life.

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11 minutes ago, Dennis said:

ah okay I thought that you had an absolute principle of refusing to do it. Yeah I agree, in wars it becomes a lot more complicated. But personally I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I'm fighting invaders, as opposed to being deployed to another country to invade it. I think if I'm deployed to a war against my own will to kill people I know are innocent, I'd probably shoot myself since I might die anyway, I don't think I'd ever be willing to take away an innocent life.

Nah. In a sudden self defence situation where I had no time to assess the situation I'm sure I would do what was necessary to protect myself or a friend/family from an agressor

 

But yeah in the military where it's not a direct 1 on 1 personal attack ur defending against it gets more complicated

 

Even in Ukraine killing a Russian soldier... I'm not judging anyone cuz it's self defence for them. But even in a situation like that I wouldn't view on an individual level (and ur killing individuals) as simple as innocent or not

 

Many were forced. Some are so brainwashed and fed wrong information they genuinely don't know any better and what they are really doing. I suppose they are still guilty... But at the very least you can say the dynamics at play there as far as individual soldiers go become complex... Complex enough that I can't say I'd live with myself easily joining the war to kill them

 

Maybe it's an unpopular opinion. But if my Nation was invaded although I wouldn't judge others who try to defend it, I'd be totally at peace with myself for not participating in it even if the outcome was that we were taken over . Cuz I'd rather be taken over by a different ruling jurisdiction than participate in killing to remain in another even if the other hand a more favourable rule 

Edited January 27 by Economy