Gaga & Katy Really Are the Ones

[gypsy101 5,428]

1 hour ago, NATAH said:

maybe you're just too focused on trying to diminish her success that you forget about the highs? the GP were here for the music just as much (if not more) for the movie, ARUTW is one of her most streamed songs of all time without it being a single

still can’t get over how moronic they were not to release it as a single

[tyler k 4,985]

this thread needs to 

C H I L L 

it's turning into Katy vs Gaga circa 2013 lmao 

[Guillaume Hamon 6,035]

59 minutes ago, tomdsgn said:

Remind me what songs from ARTPOP the GP liked again? 

Only Applause but still that's one.

[monstertoronto 8,801]

1 hour ago, tomdsgn said:

Remind me what songs from ARTPOP the GP liked again? 

Applause was a hit.  GP did like it. 

[JustTea 4,381]

4 hours ago, monstertoronto said:

Katy had three succcessful eras.  

one of the boys was a breakthrough, she had a number one with I kissed a girl, and then hot and cold, waking up in Vegas and thinking of you. All memorable hits. 

teenage dream was a monster era, breaking the record for female artists by having 5 number one songs on one record. 

prism was a massive era too, Dark Horse and Roar not only were number ones but became the biggest songs of her career and her Prismatic World Tour was huge and became her biggest tour ever. 

you can’t discount any of those three eras. All were smashes.  She hasn’t risen to those heights again, but few pop stars have such high peaks and few climb the mountain that many times again, unless you’re Gaga or Madonna. Katy deserves  her props. 
 

Yes, Gaga had TF, TFM, BTW and ASIB = 4 smash eras

2 hours ago, tomdsgn said:

Remind me what songs from ARTPOP the GP liked again? 

Never heard of Applause and DWUW?

[Ronk 14,503]

10 hours ago, tomdsgn said:

I’d argue Gaga really only had 2 mega successful eras, the GP stopped eating at her table some time ago now

But the GP is broad and varied.  They loved her Superbowl halftime show, her performances of the National Anthem, her Sound of Music tribute, her tributes to other artists such as Frank Sinatra, her performing with The Rolling Stones, Metallica, Elton John and others, and performing with Tony Bennett goes a long way with the GP, and now she's into movies.    And, of course, the GP takes notice of what a nice person she is.  Her table is very large, and the GP will eat there for years to come.

[Rebel 5,221]

Katy one of the best performers?

[HIM820 1,770]

Isn’t this just about both being great pop performers? Which both definitely are? Then of course the insecure people have to come in and shout “but Gaga is… !” because they have to defend her everything 24 hours a day. The topic wasn’t about tit for tat their whole career. They were talking about an era that birthed two people who know how to put on a f*cking good show. They ARE very similar in that regard.

Both of their pop careers starting around the same time really formed their relationship to work, touring, promoting etc. Not to take away anything from other artists, but popstars who debuted a decade later don’t have that same relationship because they were thrust into a different music environment that was really formed by the successes of people like Gaga and Katy. Just give credit where it’s due. 

[Rahrahbitchson 17,588]

5 hours ago, tomdsgn said:

Remind me what songs from ARTPOP the GP liked again? 

Applause is her biggest radio hit to this day and spend 14th weeks in BBH100 Top 10, GP was eating that song, most people i know who are not fans of her or into her music was loving Applause and saying it was their favorite song from Gaga and then there is DWUW who also was getting praise and love from the GP, DWUW had everything to be a hit and the GP was here for the song, the rest is history.

It is not a secret that during ARTPOP the industry was against her and trying to bring her down, as a common thing in hollywood, how she manage to get through that is incredible, that includes the C2C move, her stripped down album Joanne (which manage to give a moderate hit with Million Reasons, i mean everyone knows million reasons) her sound of music tribute and finally getting a new repeak with ASIB and Shallow without mentioning that ARUTW didnt need to be released as a single because even so it was a hit and the streaming numbers are there, many artist cant get to recover from campaigns against them for example Katy with Witness, she is still somehow relevant but no way on Gaga's level today and thats are facts and im saying all of this because i read all your comments and its funny how you are trying to push a narrative that Gaga isnt relevant on GP when she is breaking attendance records with her new tour and many of those people are not fans from her early career.

ASIB is a very successful era which manage to give her a new repeak and put her again on GP spotlight without mentioning is the era that give her a whole new status on her career, she is indeed on another league. If the album is hers or not what does it matter when you achieve all of this things? At the end of the day the movie/album/era met and exceeded its expectations and goals, so there is no point minimizing it and it doesnt even make sense. 

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I only agree with 50% of the title of this post 

[gagaisitalian 3,573]

Comparing Katy to Gaga means you're comparing Play to Chromatica Ball which is just insulting, lol

[chromaticainmyhead 6,363]

I'm sorry but Katy's been struggling as an international artist since The Witness era. She may has had big moments after that but Gaga's struggled as well but her career took a complete turn from slowly becoming a niche artist with only a strong fan base but a less aware interest by the GP to entering the world spotlight again with Shallow and ASIB. That movie saved her career internationally. Since then everything went pretty fast in her favor again like in those old days while Katy unfortunately may still be very present in the US and has no problems with having a sucessful Vegas show and ensuring good ratings on television but she's definitely not that relevant anymore here overseas. She's being more associated with the 2010s era type of nostalgia than a fresh and successfully active artist that actually speaks to the GP's taste. I don't want to say that Gaga's type of music or presence is doing exactly that but with stepping into acting and being so succesful with it they smartly outplayed the fate that sadly any female performer sooner or later sees when they enter their 30s. 

Please don't see this as hate or shade towards Katy but I feel like she definitely hit some bumps careerwise that have more to do with trends and hate trains than her actual talent or artistic visions that really are a league of her own. 

[Ronk 14,503]

1 hour ago, HIM820 said:

Isn’t this just about both being great pop performers? Which both definitely are? Then of course the insecure people have to come in and shout “but Gaga is… !” because they have to defend her everything 24 hours a day. The topic wasn’t about tit for tat their whole career. They were talking about an era that birthed two people who know how to put on a f*cking good show. They ARE very similar in that regard.

Both of their pop careers starting around the same time really formed their relationship to work, touring, promoting etc. Not to take away anything from other artists, but popstars who debuted a decade later don’t have that same relationship because they were thrust into a different music environment that was really formed by the successes of people like Gaga and Katy. Just give credit where it’s due. 

Yes they both put on a fantastic show.  And both brought great joy and inspiration to huge fanbases and lead the way for others artists who followed.  I would also give credit to Madonna, who led the way for those who followed, including Gaga and Katy.

Probably most pop stars inspired some artists who came later.

[Monstermilo 3,906]

the difference is gaga has managed to stay relevant and she has reinvented herself to the point where she is even more respected as an artist today than she was when she released just dance. gaga is still selling out stadiums and shes being recognized as one of the most talented artists in the last 20 years - with oscars, baftas

katy had a lot of hits but she wants able to reinvigorate her career and you can only get away with mindless pop songs for so long, eventually your audience grows older and people want to see something with substance. 

gaga is a timeless talent. i love katy and she seems like a great person and she def had some great hits, but shes more of a flash in the pan sort of pop star. 

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27 minutes ago, Ronk said:

Yes they both put on a fantastic show.  And both brought great joy and inspiration to huge fanbases and lead the way for others artists who followed.  I would also give credit to Madonna, who led the way for those who followed, including Gaga and Katy.

Probably most pop stars inspired some artists who came later.

Oh 100% with Madonna. But that was a whole other era where the popstar as we know it was born. Her, MJ, George Michael, Janet, and Whitney were like literal titans for the industry and public. I would go as far to say that wasn't really replicated until 2008-2010s when Gaga, Katy, Beyonce, Rihanna, and even Justin exploded. The 90s had great popstars too but was never dominated by a group like these. I don't know if people here know music history well enough to understand how crazy their debuts and careers were and how much of an anomaly that is.