Russia wants an open Eurasian bloc stretching from Lisbon to Vladivistok

[Gov Hooka 8,008]

19 minutes ago, PartySick said:

What's wrong with a union accepting more members? Seems like a great way to maintain peace. At least in that region. The evidence for that is the utter lack of Russian invaders in any NATO country.

I mean, that doesn't excuse the ridiculous military actions of the West (especially the US ) but that also doesn't excuse Russia's unprovoked invasion.

There's assholes in the West and the East, friend. Those same people you referred to in your other post will call out the West, rightfully so, but then refuse to sanction Russia for doing the same thing. There are idiots and hypocrites everywhere. It's just how human society is.

Please research into what this “union” has done globally, and how it has waged war to ensure colonized nations remain subservient to western capital and financial institutions. This isn’t just “some union.” Painting a false equivalence by saying theyre “both” bad (an egregiously immature statement considering the largest member nations of NATO are responsible for the most horrible and ongoing crimes of colonization in Africa, LATAM, and Asia) isn’t the view the rest of the world is adopting FYI. Most nations are staying put, half signed a petty resolution denouncing the invasion, and are choosing to continue trading with Russia, because they see the utter hypocrisy of the nations leading the charge against Russia and it’s now economically beneficial to continue trade with them. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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What some of y’all don’t understand is that NATO and the US’ intentions on a global scale aren’t that bad for the most part. Of course there are ugly, ugly exceptions, but if you look deep enough into any country’s history you’ll find disturbing ugly details, everything gets worse before it gets better. What I’m saying is that even though the West’s execution isn’t always ideal for everyone, a lot of that they’ve done over the years has been taking down extremely dangerous international warmongers. You can’t me a warmonger if you’re engaging to stop one who made advances first. That’s called retaliation, not aggression

For example, how far might the Nazis gotten in Europe and Imperial Japan gotten in the Pacific theatre in WWII had America not stepped in? Hiroshima was certainly excessive and was a crime for being so indiscriminately deadly 

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what does all this rambling even has to do with the topic of the thread 

[Gov Hooka 8,008]

3 minutes ago, TEANUS said:

What some of y’all don’t understand is that NATO and the US’ intentions on a global scale aren’t that bad for the most part. 

This is such a revisionist statement I can’t even....

[TEANUS 16,140]

Just now, Varys said:

what does all this rambling even has to do with the topic of the thread 

Any international topic has to become an anti-American discussion because somehow everything is America’s fault. Russia is literally discussing taking a hold on the continent of Europe and the first commenters turned it into a discussion of how America ‘destroyed’ the Middle East, as if internal conflicts haven’t been constantly revolutionizing and sending it into peril since the dawn of time

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1 minute ago, Gov Hooka said:

Lmfao the point of that document is to show exactly what NATO’s FOUNDING intentions were. The Soviet Union presented the biggest direct threat to Western imperialism and economic control over the world especially at a time when every Western European nation was losing their direct political control over their colonies in Africa, and subsequently trying to continue their financial control over these countries. You know.... these very same countries who lead an alliance and union that you somehow are trying to appeal to, an alliance and union that is responsible for the complete destruction of the nations of Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan as I mentioned, with civilian death counts and infrastructure damage significantly higher and worse than what Putin has managed in Ukraine. American hegemony is unparalleled, every consider why the dollar is the reserve currency worldwide and why 70% of global trade happens using it??? Ever consider why there are 750+ American military bases globally? Do you still want to paint a false equivalence? Watching Euro-American liberals abuse the term whataboutism this entire past month is a roller coaster in of itself especially because the alternative solution to Russian aggression in Ukraine you all keep pointing to is Joining NATO (lmao) who has committed these very same crimes you accuse Russia of on a WORSE scale. This is a European matter and y’all can duke it out on your own. Keep the rest of the world out of it. In the meantime they’ll take the cheaper Russian gas and oil and wheat and trade using the Ruble, because it’s the right move. 

An organizations' goals change over the years (if you would have know a bit of history, you would have known the European Union started out as a commonwealth for coal, among other things, now is almost a federative union with common currency and common moving space - quite a difference, don't you think). You might as well showed me some document from the 1800s.  Both the Americans and Soviets were desperate to expand their influence, so your attempt at USA = bad, Soviets = good is misguided and ridiculous. On the same note - if you would have known a bit of history, you would have known that before the Americans destroyed Afganistan, the Soviets did. They fought a bloody war in their attempt to import communism there and clash with the Anglo influence in India, as they saw themselves entitled to rule over the world, the same way you complain about Americans nowadays. 

Also how can you compare the worst in Ukraine and other places? Were you in any of these places lmao? 

I end here - you accuse me, as an Eastern European of hypocrisy for being greateful for NATO expansion because NATO did bad things in the Middle East. When in the east there is a direct and vivid threat to my existence, I choose the lesser evil. If you do not want to understand this because you are Latin American and America is a bigger enemy to you, you prove yourself to be just as selfish and unresonable. You care only about your own national struggle and refuse to accept another places' struggle. Congrants on living in a bubble where only your suffering matters! 

[TEANUS 16,140]

Just now, Gov Hooka said:

This is such a revisionist statement I can’t even....

And your statement is bullshit. Get your head out of your pointless argument. There’s literally people fighting for their rights and literal every breath in Ukraine as Russia threatens to take very serious, global implicating action and you wanted to discuss American intervention in the Middle East??

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56 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

Do you support nato expansion? Are you aware of how they destroyed the nations of Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan? 

Someone trying to point out how people still want to demonize NATO and the US when Russia is the bad guy right now:

You: Are you aware of what NATO did in the Middle East?

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[PartySick 172,534]

1 minute ago, Gov Hooka said:

Please research into what this “union” has done globally, and how it has waged war to ensure colonized nations remain subservient to western capital and financial institutions. This isn’t just “some union.” Painting a false equivalence by saying theyre “both” bad (an egregiously immature statement considering the largest member nations of NATO are responsible for the most horrible and ongoing crimes of colonization in Africa, LATAM, and Asia) isn’t the view the rest of the world is adopting FYI. Most nations are staying put, half signed a petty resolution denouncing the invasion, and are choosing to continue trading with Russia, because they see the utter hypocrisy of the nations leading the charge against Russia and it’s now economically beneficial to continue trade with them. 🤷🏽‍♂️

I won't debate it 'cause I'm really not terribly knowledgeable about foreign affairs (the US alone, domestic politics, is plenty painful for me) but I feel fairly comfortable saying any country that denounces the west for its actions but continues to trade with Russia is led by hypocrites. I also feel comfortable saying the west is run by hypocrites for similar reasons 

I'm pro-NATO in the sense that I like the simple idea of nations looking out for each other. But in the end, I'm just a non-influential American citizen so my opinion is the definition of irrelevant except for every second November and even then, it means less every time 

No one should be invaded, colonized, or occupied. No country should be dropping bombs on another. No missiles should be flying, regardless of which cardinal direction its in.

[TEANUS 16,140]

I don’t think y’all understand THIS part is what would lead to WWIII. Nuclear weapons are so extremely unlikely, WWIII can and would still be a traditional guns and bombs war, and it would start with THIS. Nothing else he’s done yet would be as consequential globally as this 

[PartySick 172,534]

13 minutes ago, TEANUS said:

What some of y’all don’t understand is that NATO and the US’ intentions on a global scale aren’t that bad for the most part. Of course there are ugly, ugly exceptions, but if you look deep enough into any country’s history you’ll find disturbing ugly details, everything gets worse before it gets better. What I’m saying is that even though the West’s execution isn’t always ideal for everyone, a lot of that they’ve done over the years has been taking down extremely dangerous international warmongers. You can’t me a warmonger if you’re engaging to stop one who made advances first. That’s called retaliation, not aggression

For example, how far might the Nazis gotten in Europe and Imperial Japan gotten in the Pacific theatre in WWII had America not stepped in? Hiroshima was certainly excessive and was a crime for being so indiscriminately deadly 

Didn't the US only step in because Japan was dumb enough to hit Pearl Harbor?

But imagine if something like NATO existed back then. The second German boots hit Polish ground, Hitler would have been stomped...if he was even bold enough to invade at all  that's why I think these unions are a good idea. It's similar to the theory of why we'll never have nuclear war. If a threat is big enough, the risk isn't worth it.

[Gov Hooka 8,008]

Lol the fangirling over NATO and revisionist ahistorical takes on the Middle East, complete disregard of the current neocolonial economic system...  Y’all wanna cap for an alliance that’s ruined nations and led by nations who have interfered in elections, couped govs, invaded and military occupied (and continue to do so). Thank GOD the rest of the world isn’t as ignorant as y’all is all I can say 

[TEANUS 16,140]

Just now, PartySick said:

Didn't the US only step in because Japan was dumb enough to hit Pearl Harbor?

But imagine if something like NATO existed back then. The second German boots hit Polish ground, Hitler would have been stomped...if he was even bold enough to invade at all  that's why I think these unions are a good idea. It's similar to the theory of why we'll never have nuclear war. If a threat is big enough, the risk isn't worth it.

That and because they’d been so alarmed by that point by Germany’s movements in Europe and Japan’s in the Pacific. There’s a very strong possibility we would’ve gotten involved in some capacity regardless, but yes, Pearl Harbor was the ‘final straw’.

And yuuup, that’s what it’s meant to do. In the agreement, no one can step into another country’s territory without massive consequences, so no one wants to go that far. Imagine if Ukraine had already been a member of NATO, Russia would have truly been in hot water if they had still decided to attack. At this point they made their move because of the threat of Ukraine having that protection in the future

[TEANUS 16,140]

1 minute ago, Gov Hooka said:

Lol the fangirling over NATO and revisionist ahistorical takes on the Middle East, complete disregard of the current neocolonial economic system...  Y’all wanna cap for an alliance that’s ruined nations and led by nations who have interfered in elections, couped govs, invaded and military occupied (and continue to do so). Thank GOD the rest of the world isn’t as ignorant as y’all is all I can say 

Sending my love love, woke King! The rest of the world is your oyster and we’re just living in it. Your mental constructs are far superior to ours