E. Weekly: 3 POSSIBLE Gaga Snub Reasons

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1. Gaga's rise dovetails with Spencer star Kristen Stewart's fall. As brilliant of a film as Spencer is, general audiences many not have liked that it presented the story of an icon known and beloved by millions with daring liberties, in a deliberately fantastical (yet masterfully crafted) fashion. It's likely that some industry members felt the same way, as the film failed to score notices from SAG and, more surprisingly, BAFTA. With Gaga hitting those precursors that Stewart missed, the Academy's acting branch may have thought Gaga was performing well enough on the circuit that she didn't need their votes, and instead filled out their ballots in favor of Stewart, who they may have assumed needed it more after her SAG snub. 

 

2. To combat a lack of diversity among nominees, BAFTA altered the way it votes in recent years. Acting categories contain multiple slots, with the top two determined by BAFTA-wide popular votes, while the rest of the bracket is filled out by a very, very small jury. When it comes to BAFTA, we simply don't know whether Gaga was the popular vote-getter or not, as the group doesn't release their vote tallies. Let's say, for the sake of this argument, that Gaga was not the popular pick, and was actually chosen by the small jury. So, instead of being the consensus pick across the industry, she could've actually been a contender boosted by smaller circles. Particularly with certain journalist collectives, they might've hoped to exploit her A-list celebrity status and industry clout to gain bigger platforms through the season. Looking back, the fact that SAG's nominating committee is made up of less than 2,000 people pooled from its 100,000-plus total membership also indicates her initial support might not have been as widespread as we presumed — not to mention the mistake we allmade (yet again) of equating the taste of the Golden Globes (just over 100 journalists) and Critics Choice (roughly 500 journalists) voters as barometers for industry affection.

 

3. as outlined in an EW interview with an anonymous member of the Academy's writing branch following Hustlers star Jennifer Lopez's shocking snub at the 2020 ceremony: "The snubs of Jennifer Lopez for Hustlers and of Adam Sandler for Uncut Gems are in part high versus low culture. I think some of the new members of the Academy don't have the same affection we have for comedic actors or more mainstream actors stepping outside of that," the writer told EW, suggesting that the Academy's push to include more members from worldwide regions could've contributed to the disparity as well. "[International voters] have a stronger division of high and low culture, so they didn't appreciate those performances the way Americans did."

 

https://ew.com/awards/oscars/oscars-snub-lady-gaga-caitriona-balfe/

 

 

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lesson learned, hitting 4/5 top precursor doesn’t guarantee an oscar spot

if anything it’s a better sign if you don’t get them all if it means you not losing that standing golden man trophy   

[pachinko 10,322]

I couldn’t sleep. Ugh. Devastated  still! 

[Bradley 58,723]

as outlined in an EW interview with an anonymous member of the Academy's writing branch following Hustlers star Jennifer Lopez's shocking snub at the 2020 ceremony: "The snubs of Jennifer Lopez for Hustlers and of Adam Sandler for Uncut Gems are in part high versus low culture. I think some of the new members of the Academy don't have the same affection we have for comedic actors or more mainstream actors stepping outside of that,"

 

This. Gaga delivered a fantastic performance, in my opinion it was even better than Olivia Colman's and possibly more interesting to watch than Nicole's and Kristen's (they're still great btw). But House of Gucci is seen as a "low-culture movie", whereas Olivia's movie was very well-written (it got nominated for Adapted Screenplay). Jessie Buckley got nominated for Supporting Actress, and she clearly benefitted from the writing too.

Gaga on the other hand, suffered from the writing. Gucci is still an entertaining movie to watch, the box office proves that, but it's not an award magnet for a deep character portrayal. Gaga has been terrific in making Patricia as deep as possible a character, but the writing really just pulls her down. Bradley on the other hand, catapulted her with his amazing writing with Eric Roth and Will Fetters.

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10 minutes ago, pachinko said:

I couldn’t sleep. Ugh. Devastated  still! 

the thought of having to wait years again before we get to have another shot

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4 minutes ago, Bradley said:

as outlined in an EW interview with an anonymous member of the Academy's writing branch following Hustlers star Jennifer Lopez's shocking snub at the 2020 ceremony: "The snubs of Jennifer Lopez for Hustlers and of Adam Sandler for Uncut Gems are in part high versus low culture. I think some of the new members of the Academy don't have the same affection we have for comedic actors or more mainstream actors stepping outside of that,"

 

This. Gaga delivered a fantastic performance, in my opinion it was even better than Olivia Colman's and possibly more interesting to watch than Nicole's and Kristen's (they're still great btw). But House of Gucci is seen as a "low-culture movie", whereas Olivia's movie was very well-written (it got nominated for Adapted Screenplay). Jessie Buckley got nominated for Supporting Actress, and she clearly benefitted from the writing too.

Gaga on the other hand, suffered from the writing. Gucci is still an entertaining movie to watch, the box office proves that, but it's not an award magnet for a deep character portrayal. Gaga has been terrific in making Patricia as deep as possible a character, but the writing really just pulls her down. Bradley on the other hand, catapulted her with his amazing writing with Eric Roth and Will Fetters.

literally praying gaga gets to be with better, more collaborative, more open directors/writers, i respecy ridley but… yeah.

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Just now, Lighter said:

literally praying gaga gets to be with better, more collaborative, more open directors/writers, i respecy ridley but… yeah.

I find Ridley to be alright. He's not a bad director, but he's not great either. I think his directing of House of Gucci wasn't that bad (but what the hell do I know about directing?)

I do know some stuff about writing however, and I think Gucci has always been written for the box office than the awards. By doing that, the writers take away some impact from the actors already (Al Pacino and Adam Driver barely get recognised for their performance simply because their lines are not as impactful). It's actually a wonder how Gaga is able to get nominated for so many precursors, and become the frontrunner at times.

[GipJo 2,912]

Who cares, Oscars is the one that lost. The way Oscars bait movies are getting all the attention instead of what people or industry really like.

I find at least half the movies for BP a circlejerk about Hollywood itself, while important movies about human being and small unseen people are being ignored. The elitism is the biggest problem of Oscars and it shows years after years.

Hopefully with the rise of streaming services, we can stop paying attention to those Hollywood love letter bullshits, studios behind steaming services produce and fund real story for the people, films from Netflix and AppleTV like The Lost Daughter, CODA and The Power of the Dog are stories I find interesting.

[DrewPa 3,762]

In my (often optimistic) point of view, the fact that people are discussing everywhere about how she was snubbed, together with how much praise she received and how many nominations she has so far, it's kind of a win per se. 

Besides, she is not the only one being snubbed, Bradley among others was snubbed twice (I did not watch Licorice pizza yet, but in Nightmare Alley he was phenomenal)

[hijadeputa 3,909]

Life goes on yall. Im sure she will be nominated in the future!

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1 hour ago, Bradley said:

But House of Gucci is seen as a "low-culture movie"

If that was true, it wouldn't have been nominated multiple times at SAG, which shares a lot of voters with the Academy, specifically the acting branch, which voted for the Oscars nominees.

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1 hour ago, Bradley said:

as outlined in an EW interview with an anonymous member of the Academy's writing branch following Hustlers star Jennifer Lopez's shocking snub at the 2020 ceremony: "The snubs of Jennifer Lopez for Hustlers and of Adam Sandler for Uncut Gems are in part high versus low culture. I think some of the new members of the Academy don't have the same affection we have for comedic actors or more mainstream actors stepping outside of that,"

 

This. Gaga delivered a fantastic performance, in my opinion it was even better than Olivia Colman's and possibly more interesting to watch than Nicole's and Kristen's (they're still great btw). But House of Gucci is seen as a "low-culture movie", whereas Olivia's movie was very well-written (it got nominated for Adapted Screenplay). Jessie Buckley got nominated for Supporting Actress, and she clearly benefitted from the writing too.

Gaga on the other hand, suffered from the writing. Gucci is still an entertaining movie to watch, the box office proves that, but it's not an award magnet for a deep character portrayal. Gaga has been terrific in making Patricia as deep as possible a character, but the writing really just pulls her down. Bradley on the other hand, catapulted her with his amazing writing with Eric Roth and Will Fetters.

this ! I think the writing was really really bad on House of Gucci... 
the writing influences everybody's performance, the movie itself,...

I noticed last time when I watched House of Gucci that Gaga didn't really have "real" fleshed out dialogues. The only one that "lasted a while" was the one w Paola about the stealing... and even that scene should've been much longer and more intense.

Gaga had more "punch lines" rather than real, well-written dialogues, and I believe that that maybe influenced a big part of the choice not to nominate her

 

what do you guys think ?

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3 hours ago, DrewPa said:

In my (often optimistic) point of view, the fact that people are discussing everywhere about how she was snubbed, together with how much praise she received and how many nominations she has so far, it's kind of a win per se. 

Besides, she is not the only one being snubbed, Bradley among others was snubbed twice (I did not watch Licorice pizza yet, but in Nightmare Alley he was phenomenal)

Bradley got a nom as a producer for Nightmare Alley (Best Picture). He is on the right track to losing his ninth Oscars nomination.

[Bradley 58,723]

2 hours ago, Funkymonkey said:

this ! I think the writing was really really bad on House of Gucci... 
the writing influences everybody's performance, the movie itself,...

I noticed last time when I watched House of Gucci that Gaga didn't really have "real" fleshed out dialogues. The only one that "lasted a while" was the one w Paola about the stealing... and even that scene should've been much longer and more intense.

Gaga had more "punch lines" rather than real, well-written dialogues, and I believe that that maybe influenced a big part of the choice not to nominate her

 

what do you guys think ?

I mean I wouldn't go so far as to saying she didn't have any good dialogue at all and that it was all punchlines, but yes I agree that it could have been more in-depth in her psychological conflict.