Halsey claims magazines refused to do their 'maternity cover'

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1 hour ago, Meruk Holland said:

The article in question made her gender identity a focal point, but they exclusively used "she/her" which is a bit disrespectful and shows no effort to take Halsey's pronouns seriously. If someone gives their pronouns, and offers more than one set like "she/they," its best to alternate between them. Depending on the person, most of the time its not the end of the world if you stick with one. In that case, its typically seen as just a lack of consideration, probably unconsciously. 

Also, the Allure article didn't just ignore their pronouns, Halsey claims that they were "bastardizing" her quotes and misappropriating them. 

Omg this is so confusing. 

And I am the one educating my friends.

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1 hour ago, littlepotter said:

Wait what? This is the first time I've ever heard this. If someone has different pronouns I have to alternate? Doesn't that just mean they're comfortable with both?

Well, you don't have to. Don't you think it might be strange for someone AFAB to say "My pronouns are she/they" if they didn't want to also hear "they" being used for them? Like, they may be comfortable with both but that doesn't mean they want only one to be used. Alternating isn't so much the expectation as it its nice since it validates their choice of pronouns.

That said, I feel like most people would be tripped up switching back and forth, especially because they aren't use to it; and without proper context, it could even be confusing to read. Since this is a pop culture forum, I don't think its gonna cause that many issues if we, people who have no direct interaction with the people we talk about, stick to using one or the other, but this was an article where Halsey was the focus, and a big part of the article was about her gender identity.

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1 hour ago, littlepotter said:

Wait what? This is the first time I've ever heard this. If someone has different pronouns I have to alternate? Doesn't that just mean they're comfortable with both?

 

1 hour ago, vpez said:

can someone explain this for me?
I understand the thing with he/him, she/her and they/them, but why are female pronouns wrong when she uses the female ones and the non binary ones? I'm confused.

 

Here’s a direct quote from what assume to be the amended version of the article in question 

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“But if anyone can do it, it just might be Halsey. Theirappeal to millions of people isn’t just her voice — and their rich, breathy voice is searing in its emotion and raw beauty. People are drawn to her because she’s open about her pain, their struggles with bipolar disorder, her reproductive health difficulties (she had surgery for endometriosis), their gender fluidity, her experience as a biracial person, her extreme humanness. It feels good to root for someone who uses her microphone to spread a gospel of love and inclusion. If you don’t always know where you fit in life, Halsey’s world is an incredibly appealing place to land.”

it just doesn’t make sense to write this way…. If you’re writing an article, pick a pronoun set that goes with the subject of what you’re writing 

“Her experience, their gender fluidity” 

it’s just poor writing. I understand inclusivity and representation but switching pronouns midway through a sentence is just dumb.

as someone who identifies with pretty much any pronoun, it’s not my expectation for someone to represent them all in a statement written about me… if she would have preferred to use they/them pronouns for this specifically then she should/could have stated that more explicitly in advance since it is clearly important to her.

Retroactively saying they misgendered her by using one of the preferred pronouns she’s comfortable with is……. A very Halsey thing to do I guess 

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1 hour ago, kukuryku666 said:

is the zane lowe interview available to watch already?

i loved the manic one

the full interview on Apple Music 1 will be broadcast on Monday (August 30)

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9 minutes ago, Blastertoyo said:

 

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“But if anyone can do it, it just might be Halsey. Theirappeal to millions of people isn’t just her voice — and their rich, breathy voice is searing in its emotion and raw beauty. People are drawn to her because she’s open about her pain, their struggles with bipolar disorder, her reproductive health difficulties (she had surgery for endometriosis), their gender fluidity, her experience as a biracial person, her extreme humanness. It feels good to root for someone who uses her microphone to spread a gospel of love and inclusion. If you don’t always know where you fit in life, Halsey’s world is an incredibly appealing place to land.”

it just doesn’t make sense to write this way…. If you’re writing an article, pick a pronoun set that goes with the subject of what you’re writing 

“Her experience, their gender fluidity” 

it’s just poor writing. I understand inclusivity and representation but switching pronouns midway through a sentence is just dumb.

It's such a new phenomenon that I think part of it is just getting used to it, and part of it is actually critically thinking of how to best implement it. Like, at the beginning of the paragraph, start with one and stick with it throughout the paragraph, and then when starting a new paragraph, switch. Or like you suggest, choosing which is relevant to the subject. Cuz I agree, as is, this is very clunky and unappealing to read.

 

15 minutes ago, Blastertoyo said:

as someone who identifies with pretty much any pronoun, it’s not my expectation for someone to represent them all in a statement written about me… if she would have preferred to use they/them pronouns for this specifically then she should/could have stated that more explicitly in advance since it is clearly important to her.

Retroactively saying they misgendered her by using one of the preferred pronouns she’s comfortable with is……. A very Halsey thing to do I guess 

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, but I think that's a big distinction. "Any pronoun" is different from specifically having two like "she/they." To speak from experience, I say any pronoun is fine because I genuinely do not care which people use with me, I don't have strong attachment or feelings towards any pronouns. But with "she/they," it seems much more specific, like "I don't exclusively identify one or the other, but I do identify with both, it's more accurate." "It's not one or the other, it's both." And that kind of mentality does seem like what's going on here with Halsey.

To call it "misgendering" tho, that I can't really agree with. May have genuinely made her feel invalidated, but I wouldn't call it "misgendering."

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1 hour ago, Rebel said:

The pronouns issue was straight up stupid. When you add the “/“ it means you’re comfortable with the options you’re giving.  

Exactly. SHE/THEY walked right tf into this. If I was a magazine editor I’d say no too. Because how could you ever win with her

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2 hours ago, littlepotter said:

Wait what? This is the first time I've ever heard this. If someone has different pronouns I have to alternate? Doesn't that just mean they're comfortable with both?

The thing that confuses me... if you read the article in question... they alternate between the two...

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32 minutes ago, Meruk Holland said:

It's such a new phenomenon that I think part of it is just getting used to it, and part of it is actually critically thinking of how to best implement it. Like, at the beginning of the paragraph, start with one and stick with it throughout the paragraph, and then when starting a new paragraph, switch. Or like you suggest, choosing which is relevant to the subject. Cuz I agree, as is, this is very clunky and unappealing to read.

This is where I start to disagree pretty strongly. This is completely ignoring the function of language and pronouns itself. Pronouns are meant to be a tool to help us communicate more efficiently. While I'm a big supporter of gender nonconformity, I don't know why people let pronouns define their identity instead of just reclaiming their given pronoun and defying its social implications, but I respect their preference and will use their preferred pronouns. But having to switch pronouns and cater to every individual's whims? I'm just going to be honest and say that sounds ridiculous. Anyone who thinks their identity matters so much that other people have to make a conscious effort to refer to them in alternative ways seems to me like they have an ego problem. 

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LMAO i am living for the magazines bitchy attitude

"mm yeahh but is she like, going to be pregnant?" 

 

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I'm all for alternating pronouns except if I'm trying to tell a story or a narrative cause it's bound to be confusing and hard to read. Unless sentences referring to her are few and far between, I would just stick with one of the pronouns. 

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25 minutes ago, littlepotter said:

This is where I start to disagree pretty strongly. This is completely ignoring the function of language and pronouns itself. Pronouns are meant to be a tool to help us communicate more efficiently. While I'm a big supporter of gender nonconformity, I don't know why people let pronouns define their identity instead of just reclaiming their given pronoun and defying its social implications, but I respect their preference and will use their preferred pronouns. But having to switch pronouns and cater to every individual's whims? I'm just going to be honest and say that sounds ridiculous. Anyone who thinks their identity matters so much that other people have to make a conscious effort to refer to them in alternative ways seems to me like they have an ego problem. 

"yeah it's too hard to learn few words, so just learn how to be comfortable with your gender identity, stop having problems with it and stop having such an ego about it, that's easier"

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btw. halsey's talking about the bad treatment of pregnant people

and y'all are focusing on something that happened month ago and was talked about already

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2 minutes ago, kukuryku666 said:

"yeah it's too hard to learn few words, so just learn how to be comfortable with your gender identity, stop having problems with it and stop having such an ego about it, that's easier"

That is so far from what I said it's almost comical. If you're looking for someone to fight with sorry I'm not the one

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5 minutes ago, littlepotter said:

That is so far from what I said it's almost comical. If you're looking for someone to fight with sorry I'm not the one

you said it's ridiculous to y'all

using different pronouns

and we should just reclaim things and not be bothered by it, as if it's somehow easier than learning few words

i'm not looking for a fight, i just think your comment is bad

and that ego line... as if we want to be pressed about it, it's not fun or cool to us lol

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12 minutes ago, kukuryku666 said:

you said it's ridiculous to y'all

using different pronouns

and we should just reclaim things and not be bothered by it, as if it's somehow easier than learning few words

i'm not looking for a fight, i just think your comment is bad

and that ego line... as if we want to be pressed about it, it's not fun or cool to us lol

You're picking and choosing sentences from what I said and coming up with your own version.

I said I support reclaiming pronouns and I respect changing pronouns and I respect people's chosen pronouns. What I called ridiculous/borderline egotistical is expecting people to refer to someone in alternating pronouns, sorry that's just how it looks like to me. 

And where did you get the "learning few words" from, there's no words to learn, we all know how to say she and they. But the part of our brains responsible for language is just not wired to successively refer the same person with different pronouns at random.