Taylucifer 5,122 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I just thought that this was a very interesting, comprehensive video and wanted to share The Tortured Poets Department is out NOW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Child 18,997 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 This is so heartbreaking because nothing has changed since Marilyn Monroe. ‘If religion be the cause of disunity, then irreligion is surely to be preferred.’ ‘Abdu’l-Bahá Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTV 12,809 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 kudos to them for adding Madison Beer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runway 27,876 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Okay but one isn’t like the others in the thumbnail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,761 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Taylor remains unbothered. I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllusionLover 6,648 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Ronk said: Taylor remains unbothered. Because she used the bricks they threw at her to clap back at the media (and made some iconic moments out of it.) 13 | this is my dancefloor i fought for, your voice is louder, it echoes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaSuperfan1 362 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Taylucifer said: I just thought that this was a very interesting, comprehensive video and wanted to share Not sure why it put my response up here, I Just watched this wow!!! How blind we were & how blind we still are. So easy for society to point the finger, so hard to take any accountability themselves. We have come a long way, but we still have so far to go. We are so sick as a society & it’s so prevalent in societies issues today, & that we can’t even unite together to save ourselves as a species. This may seem so simple how we bullied celebrities but it speaks to all other aspects to who we are & why we can’t have progress in society. Back to mistreatment of young women in the public eye, I am so happy social media was able to help people change the narrative, but even still has it’s cons & dangers for anyone in the public eye. This really is a time for kindness. I hope the wrongs of society as they have come to light now at this time continue to do so, whether it’s racism, misogyny, capitalism, inequality, global warming . It’s all connected too, it’s all apart of a collective illness we have as society, & it’s threatening our survival as a species. This is a time where people cannot hide or make a spectacles of others, this is a time for people & those who have been abused or mistreated to take back their power & this is a time for abusers & corrupters to be seen for who they really are as if to be shouted from the rooftops, we live in a intuitive era where people can no longer be fooled, & my hope is that each of us, each & every one of us can reclaim our power, and stand for those that are mocked mistreated & abused by society & our culture. This is a time for the human species to change & survive. We no longer will thrive until we do & all we can do is take a hard look at ourselves. We need to change. We need to do better. We need to come together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronk 14,761 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 15 hours ago, IllusionLover said: Because she used the bricks they threw at her to clap back at the media (and made some iconic moments out of it.) Exactly. And Gaga and Madonna weren't mentioned in the video. I don't think any of their misfortunes were caused by the media. I love what Madonna wrote here: I live outside the space time continuum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,777 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I'd add Lana Del Rey, Iggy Azalea and Paris Hilton to that list. But it's full of otherwise good examples. All I will say though is that I believe when a woman does something that a man got criticised for, she should get criticised too. I've seen an unfortunate product of modern feminism is to never blame the woman, ever. Providing Monica Lewinsky was a bit of an odd choice because although Bill was clearly wrong as well, she knew she was carrying on with a married man from the beginning. It's one thing to be the other woman if you don't have a clue that the man you're seeing is attached. But once you find out, or, even worse, you knew before you even got together, then you're just as bad as he is and both of you should be vilified. I believe feminism is about equal rights, not better treatment for women. And I don't think boosting up blatant homewreckers as misunderstood is the way to go. Why boost up a woman who broke another woman's heart? It doesn't make any sense and it throws sisterhood out the window. In these cases, I just see it as a human doing wrong, not a woman specifically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOOK 76,406 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 20 hours ago, Replay said: kudos to them for adding Madison Beer I had to look twice, I thought it was Sofía Vergara... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylucifer 5,122 Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said: All I will say though is that I believe when a woman does something that a man got criticised for, she should get criticised too. I've seen an unfortunate product of modern feminism is to never blame the woman, ever. Providing Monica Lewinsky was a bit of an odd choice because although Bill was clearly wrong as well, she knew she was carrying on with a married man from the beginning. It's one thing to be the other woman if you don't have a clue that the man you're seeing is attached. But once you find out, or, even worse, you knew before you even got together, then you're just as bad as he is and both of you should be vilified. I believe feminism is about equal rights, not better treatment for women. And I don't think boosting up blatant homewreckers as misunderstood is the way to go. Why boost up a woman who broke another woman's heart? It doesn't make any sense and it throws sisterhood out the window. In these cases, I just see it as a human doing wrong, not a woman specifically. Obviously all should be help equally accountable, I agree. However I believe the point they were trying to make in the video surrounding Monica is the different narratives which her and Bill got. She was the media's punching bag whereas he comparatively got off scot free. The media completely ignored the massive power balance between her and the most powerful man in America. It's not about boosting up Monica it's about looking at the way which the media treated each of them. The Tortured Poets Department is out NOW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,777 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, Taylucifer said: Obviously all should be help equally accountable, I agree. However I believe the point they were trying to make in the video surrounding Monica is the different narratives which her and Bill got. She was the media's punching bag whereas he comparatively got off scot free. The media completely ignored the massive power balance between her and the most powerful man in America. It's not about boosting up Monica it's about looking at the way which the media treated each of them. Different narratives are all very well but it sounded as if the video was really defending her by never once stating that her choices were wrong and suggests all the blame should be put completely on Bill. Absolutely he ought to shoulder the bulk of it and she shouldn't have taken the majority of it but considering the nature of the situation, this isn't really the pressing issue at hand. 25 is young but it's old enough to know that affairs with married men is wrong and she shouldn't have given in, it's that simple. I don't know why she didn't immediately brush him off and report him, my mind just can't wrap around that. So, I think a big part of her wanted and liked what she was doing and for that, it's hard to ever see her as badly misrepresented in all of this. To me, the video was a focus more on mostly innocent and misunderstood women who suffered bad representation more than anything else so Monica's inclusion seemed really bizarre because we all know she was guilty of being the other woman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylucifer 5,122 Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said: Different narratives are all very well but it sounded as if the video was really defending her by never once stating that her choices were wrong and suggests all the blame should be put completely on Bill. Absolutely he ought to shoulder the bulk of it and she shouldn't have taken the majority of it but considering the nature of the situation, this isn't really the pressing issue at hand. 25 is young but it's old enough to know that affairs with married men is wrong and she shouldn't have given in, it's that simple. I don't know why she didn't immediately brush him off and report him, my mind just can't wrap around that. So, I think a big part of her wanted and liked what she was doing and for that, it's hard to ever see her as badly misrepresented in all of this. To me, the video was a focus more on mostly innocent and misunderstood women who suffered bad representation more than anything else so Monica's inclusion seemed really bizarre because we all know she was guilty of being the other woman. If this was almost any other situation I would agree with you, and yes she most likely knew what she was doing was wrong. However the likely hood of her being believed or supported if she went public I think would be close to none. Of course her choices were wrong but we will most likely never understand the pressure which happens when the most powerful man of the time wants something sexual from us. He was the president, it's not that easy. If the point that you are taking away from the video is that it is ok to cheat then idk, I guess this isn't the video for you. The focus of the video was the mistreatment of young women in media and she was a young woman who was apart of one of the most famous presidential scandals ever, to not include her would to ignore history and also to ignore how it is an issue not just in the glitz and glamour of Hollywood stars. The Tortured Poets Department is out NOW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryBlond 14,777 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 12 hours ago, Taylucifer said: If this was almost any other situation I would agree with you, and yes she most likely knew what she was doing was wrong. However the likely hood of her being believed or supported if she went public I think would be close to none. Of course her choices were wrong but we will most likely never understand the pressure which happens when the most powerful man of the time wants something sexual from us. He was the president, it's not that easy. If the point that you are taking away from the video is that it is ok to cheat then idk, I guess this isn't the video for you. The focus of the video was the mistreatment of young women in media and she was a young woman who was apart of one of the most famous presidential scandals ever, to not include her would to ignore history and also to ignore how it is an issue not just in the glitz and glamour of Hollywood stars. True, she probably wouldn't be believed and an investigation wouldn't have proved anything and nothing would've happened but that doesn't explain why she didn't just reject him and leave it at that. If he fired her, she could definitely have a case to report. And I know some women would totally feel like it wouldn't be worth it and it's not worth losing a job over but that's the mindset we need to work on dismantling. No job is worth is your self-respect. If he was forcing himself on her and she reluctantly let him, that's different and she would have told us that but she never has. So, every time he made a move, she must have consented meaning this was unlikely to do with her wanting to keep her job and all about her enjoying the feeling of the president wanting her. I'm not saying I don't understand the message of the video as a whole, I just felt this particular section wasn't handled right. I found it odd that it mentioned about the other examples making mistakes but didn't once do it for her, of all people. I feel that in an attempt to correct history on this case, a lot of feminists have over-corrected to the point where they don't acknowledge her wrongdoing whatsoever. I think giving free passes to women in cases like this really doesn't help feminism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylucifer 5,122 Posted August 24, 2021 Author Share Posted August 24, 2021 9 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: True, she probably wouldn't be believed and an investigation wouldn't have proved anything and nothing would've happened but that doesn't explain why she didn't just reject him and leave it at that. If he fired her, she could definitely have a case to report. And I know some women would totally feel like it wouldn't be worth it and it's not worth losing a job over but that's the mindset we need to work on dismantling. No job is worth is your self-respect. If he was forcing himself on her and she reluctantly let him, that's different and she would have told us that but she never has. So, every time he made a move, she must have consented meaning this was unlikely to do with her wanting to keep her job and all about her enjoying the feeling of the president wanting her. I'm not saying I don't understand the message of the video as a whole, I just felt this particular section wasn't handled right. I found it odd that it mentioned about the other examples making mistakes but didn't once do it for her, of all people. I feel that in an attempt to correct history on this case, a lot of feminists have over-corrected to the point where they don't acknowledge her wrongdoing whatsoever. I think giving free passes to women in cases like this really doesn't help feminism. I agree with some of what you are saying but I think we just have different views on the situation and the video. Thank you for explaining your point, it has been very insightful. But I think I'm just going to be rehashing what I've already said which feels pointless for both of us The Tortured Poets Department is out NOW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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