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3 hours ago, Pennywise said:

Hmm, do children deserve to be killed because they were simply born there? I guess you CAN solve inequality with a genocide, since if there are no people left, there are no LGBTQ+ issues either? 

I guess the question would be: Do people deserve to die because they happen to live in a homophobic/sexist country? 

In hindsight.. I saw that I phrased myself inappropriately earlier (I did edit my post), however I did say I want the situation to resolve quickly and for context I don't see genocide/violence as a solution for anything.

aside from the news article, I do feel conflicted about Hamas after I read this on amnesty:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/

and also I am not blind to Israel having its human rights issues.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

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2 hours ago, Aphroditus said:

Read about pink washing, also Genocide is acceptable for that? 
 

All of you were crying over the Gay guy who died in hate crime in Iran but if he dies in a Genocide against Persians it is ok because the overall country is homophobic?

what kind of brainwashed logic is ? Do you think every person in the ME is homophobic ?

I edited my post, just saw I really made a improper phrasing, and I didn't mean to for this response, I should have said: Irrelevant to the news article,  I'm conflicted on Hamas, but what is happening to the civilians is horrible and sad (I should have seperated that from that and I completely get your reply) So thank you for correcting me.

2 hours ago, Bambino said:

This is a ****ing lie. I just can't believe I keep reading this on here I just can't at the idea that y'all think the ENTIRE ****ing Middle East is Saudi Arabia. Do you know how offensive and difficult to read this on here every ****ing time someone mentions solidarity with Palestine? Stop spreading lies.

Violence against LGBTQ+ people in Palestine? Puta where? Yes it's socially unacceptable since Palestine is an Arab country but it's not publishable by law. Yes, there isn't a law that specifically says "protects people in certain groups" but there isn't a law that says "violate someone in a certain group and get away with it because they're in a certain group".

Where do y'all get this **** from?

I'd like to paint a picture why I got that idea... the sources on this are conflicting. Because certain articles do seem to imply there is some abuse to gay men by the PA and Israeli Authorities...

https://genderandsecurity.org/projects-resources/research/nowhere-run-gay-palestinian-asylum-seekers-israel

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1016/j.rhm.2015.11.019

And it is implied its punishable by law, but not with violence but by a imprisonment up to 10 years in Gaza. It's both on Amnesty and the refugee legal aid information website:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/

https://www.refugeelegalaidinformation.org/occupied-palestinian-territory-lgbti-resources

however this source said something different: 

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/ap-corrects-story-falsely-claiming-homosexuality-illegal-palestinians

based on this, I put 1+1 together, because if gay refugees get abused/tortured on either side, there seemed to be something going on. I should not have implied it's a wide spread issue. 

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4 hours ago, Aphroditus said:

Cause they love to capitalize on deaths of people 

Better than Trump my ass, same coin different face

Only difference: not Openly racist, pretends to care about the poor but won’t give them a fair wage but Israeli gets all the money it wants for military 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/biden-moving-improve-legal-services-poor-minorities-77750835?cid=clicksource_4380645_1_heads_hero_live_hero_related

Keep up on the recent events. Biden at least trying compared to that thing we used to have. 

 

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So Europe and USA are supporting Israel. Can someone please tell me which countries are supporting Palestine? I’m really curious. 

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40 minutes ago, alsemanche said:

Okay and? Does that mean the US and Biden aren't financing genocide? If you wanna excuse Biden for this thing (from which he is not excusable but anyway), he also supported Israel's violence a few days ago.  This is very much about the Israel "problem".

And I'm pretty sure we can criticize both the US and China for financing and making deals with Israel, but it so happens that this thread was made about Biden. Make one about China if you want! 

Im not excusing him for anything, just saying they might have more intel on matters that we don't see or hear about in the news. But to me it all comes across as random attacks from either side that happened out of nowhere.

My comment on the conflictedness, which I edited now to what I really meant to say, because I admit, I phrased it horribly, it was inappropriately formulated in hindsight and not relevant to this news article. So my apologies for the earlier post

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22 minutes ago, Chromatislaps said:

I hate to break it to you but there is certainly some mistreatment (on both the palestinian and israelian side). It may not be widespread, but it certainly seems to happen (please do correct me) and new sources may be skewed.

But gays do face abuse by the Palestinian army

https://genderandsecurity.org/projects-resources/research/nowhere-run-gay-palestinian-asylum-seekers-israel

but also in Israel by Israeli forces:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1016/j.rhm.2015.11.019

Actually it is punishable by law, not with violence but by a imprisonment up to 10 years in Palestine. It's both on Amnesty and the refugee legal aid information website:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/palestine-state-of/report-palestine-state-of/

https://www.refugeelegalaidinformation.org/occupied-palestinian-territory-lgbti-resources

I just put 1+1 together, because if gay refugees get abused/tortured on either side, there is certainly something going on. I should not have implied it's a wide spread issue.

Of course there would be violence and mistreatment but I guess that just happens in everywhere. What makes a difference is if there's a law that justifies such mistreatment.

The sources say it's punishable by law in Gaza, which an area controlled by a different government and laws from that in the West Bank. Gaza has more of an Islamic rule a bit. There's no such a law in the West Bank. Next time, be specific and don't mislead people. There are two governments ruling two divided areas in Palestine, one in Gaza, and another in the West Bank. Both have slightly different laws and rules.

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38 minutes ago, GagasBiggestFan said:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/biden-moving-improve-legal-services-poor-minorities-77750835?cid=clicksource_4380645_1_heads_hero_live_hero_related

Keep up on the recent events. Biden at least trying compared to that thing we used to have. 

 

When it actually happens, brag about it. 
Just keep in my mind that is a bare minimum for a 1st world country. 
 

The fact that Isr*el, the country your government sends billions in AID to has a better social system for its jewish population than the USA will ever achieve.

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27 minutes ago, Adarsh said:

So Europe and USA are supporting Israel. Can someone please tell me which countries are supporting Palestine? I’m really curious. 

No one literally

Even the countries who spoke against it, have secret deals with Israel under the table. 
 

It seems like everyone globally is justifying genocide for the sack of their pockets 

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Nooo, Biden.. what a hot mess, I'm ringing the Queen, it's about time Great Britain revokes America's independence. He can't be trusted. 

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6 minutes ago, Aphroditus said:

No one literally

Even the countries who spoke against it, have secret deals with Israel under the table. 
 

It seems like everyone globally is justifying genocide for the sack of their pockets 

What about powerful Arab countries? I always thought they’re pro Palestine 

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5 minutes ago, Aphroditus said:

When it actually happens, brag about it. 
Just keep in my mind that is a bare minimum for a 1st world country.

It is happening. He' reversing so much and changing so much. For being in office for 118 days, Biden and Kamala are trying to juggle everything trump ****ed up. Don't be mad at someone who has to sit there and fix all of his predecessor's bull. 

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3 minutes ago, Rj Barker said:

Nooo, Biden.. what a hot mess, I'm ringing the Queen, it's about time Great Britain revokes America's independence. He can't be trusted. 

Palestine was colonised by the Great Britain in the first place 

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38 minutes ago, Bambino said:

Of course there would be violence and mistreatment but I guess that just happens in everywhere. What makes a difference is if there's a law that justifies such mistreatment.

The sources say it's punishable by law in Gaza, which an area controlled by a different government and laws from that in the West Bank. Gaza has more of an Islamic rule a bit. There's no such a law in the West Bank. Next time, be specific and don't mislead people. There are two governments ruling two divided areas in Palestine, one in Gaza, and another in the West Bank. Both have slightly different laws and rules.

Thank you for correcting/informing me. I didn't mean to come across as insensitive and as a pinkwasher (if that is even a term)

I have to say, the news here luckily is somewhat neutral on the matter, but its quite a complicated topic for them to properly explain everything prior to this situation, since so much happened in last decades...and the atrocities that happen to palestinians are barely covered..just the broad overview of misconduct on Israel's part

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3 minutes ago, Adarsh said:

What about powerful Arab countries? I always thought they’re pro Palestine 

Lol what countries? Saudia Arabia’s Sheikhs and Crown Prince are best friends with Israel. 
 

They just condemn to the public and have Military deals behind the scenes 

 

This has been the case for ages and that’s why out populations (in the ME) are trying to spread the news since it is pretty much one sided bs

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5 minutes ago, GagasBiggestFan said:

For being in office for 118 days, Biden and Kamala are trying to juggle everything trump ****ed up. Don't be mad at someone who has to sit there and fix all of his predecessor's bull.

Do you realize Trump is not the only one? 
Obama caused so much damage, G. bush  and so on. 
 

Biden will not do much, that is a Mirage