16 yr old girl shot and killed by police; SHE called for help

[GagaSine 7,464]

5 hours ago, Lemondeduerl said:

I want to believe the sentence of the cop who murdered George Floyd is the beggining of the end of police brutality. 

Then you're living in a fantasy world, sadly 

[Littlemonster19284 28]

Just now, GagaSine said:

This was a 16 year old girl, you heartless freak.

I hate this forum.

i agree it was horrible, it should of never happened. So stop insituating I’m glad she is dead. Why would she be chasing the girl to stab her when there was a cop waiting to help. You don’t realize how stuff actually works, cops are spoused to neutralize threats to life, which in this situation she was armed and wasn’t stopping. 
 

if that girl was going to stab you, you would’ve wanted to the cop to shoot her. 
 

it was a horrible situation and cops need more training. There’s plenty of videos of people going up to cops and shooting them for no reason and I’m sure you’re all in favor of that 

[GagaSine 7,464]

2 minutes ago, jcataloni said:

i agree it was horrible, it should of never happened. So stop insituating I’m glad she is dead. Why would she be chasing the girl to stab her when there was a cop waiting to help. You don’t realize how stuff actually works, cops are spoused to neutralize threats to life, which in this situation she was armed and wasn’t stopping. 
 

if that girl was going to stab you, you would’ve wanted to the cop to shoot her. 
 

it was a horrible situation and cops need more training. There’s plenty of videos of people going up to cops and shooting them for no reason and I’m sure you’re all in favor of that 

No I would not want the cops to shoot her four times, that is not neutralizing nor an answer in that situation. I don't agree with anyone being killed for my life. I would have wanted them to physically restrain and I probably would have tried myself if I was in that situation (but I wasn't so it's irrelevant).

They are already wearing protective gear so at worst they should have tazed her (which I also don't agree with outside of extreme situations), ideally they would have training to physically restrain her.

I highly doubt your last point too, people don't just randomly shoot cops unless there is something wrong with them. Cut the billions dollars spent on militarizing the police and reinvest it into supporting communities so people can live lives where randomly shooting people is not a thing they feel is reasonable to do, and you have to be living a pretty destitute existence for that to be the case.

[Littlemonster19284 28]

Just now, GagaSine said:

No I would not want the cops to shoot her four times, that is not neutralizing nor an answer in that situation. I don't agree with anyone being killed for my life. I would have wanted them to physically restrain and I probably would have tried myself if I was in that situation (but I wasn't so it's irrelevant).

They are already wearing protective gear so at worst they should have tazed her (which I also don't agree with outside of extreme situations), ideally they would have training to physically restrain her.

I highly doubt your last point too, people don't just randomly shoot cops unless there is something wrong with them. Cut the billions dollars spent on militarizing the police and reinvest it into supporting communities so people can live lives where randomly shooting people is not a thing they feel is reasonable to do, and you have to be living a pretty destitute existence for that to be the case.

In hindsight, it’s easy to list out the proper steps, but in the middle of an escalated emergency you don’t have the time to think. 

 

i agree the child should be alive, and we need to stop leaving children unattended to become victims. Why was that child left alone so she could be jumped, where is the parenting? 

so I’m assuming the next time someone is trying to harm or rob you, you won’t call 911 right? Because from what you’re describing that would be the worst thing to do. 

[Littlemonster19284 28]

9 minutes ago, GagaSine said:

No I would not want the cops to shoot her four times, that is not neutralizing nor an answer in that situation. I don't agree with anyone being killed for my life. I would have wanted them to physically restrain and I probably would have tried myself if I was in that situation (but I wasn't so it's irrelevant).

They are already wearing protective gear so at worst they should have tazed her (which I also don't agree with outside of extreme situations), ideally they would have training to physically restrain her.

I highly doubt your last point too, people don't just randomly shoot cops unless there is something wrong with them. Cut the billions dollars spent on militarizing the police and reinvest it into supporting communities so people can live lives where randomly shooting people is not a thing they feel is reasonable to do, and you have to be living a pretty destitute existence for that to be the case.

If you had someone on top of you, stabbing you, trying to kill you, 

 

You would be trying to tell the cop not to shoot her ? GTFO 

[GagaSine 7,464]

Just now, jcataloni said:

In hindsight, it’s easy to list out the proper steps, but in the middle of an escalated emergency you don’t have the time to think. 

 

i agree the child should be alive, and we need to stop leaving children unattended to become victims. Why was that child left alone so she could be jumped, where is the parenting? 

so I’m assuming the next time someone is trying to harm or rob you, you won’t call 911 right? Because from what you’re describing that would be the worst thing to do. 

I have literally never called 911 so no I wouldn't, if someone is harming me I remove myself from the situation. And I have nothing that anyone would try to rob. I don't live in fear of a crime boogeyman like suburban people do, I live amongst people supposedly statistically more likely to commit crime (poor people) and I have been safe the entire time. That said I don't know what I would do because I have never had anything stolen besides random stuff out of my pockets. Idk what  I would do if someone robbed my entire apartment because nothing like that has ever happened to me, but I certainly would never want someone to die in the name of my stuff.

If shooting someone four times is what one does without thinking in an emergency, they should not have a gun. 

Why would you blame the parents, the police are responsible for her death. Parents call their cops on their own kids pretty often actually. You don't know what is going on in their lives to say they should have been there, apparently she was in foster care so there could be a myriad of reasons. Where were the parents of all the white boys that committed all the gun massacres in the US? A lot of them were scared of their own children or even among their victims. 

This whole situation is inexcusable and I can't believe anyone would ever try to argue the other side. If you actually cared about this issue you'd recognize the multiple factors that actually need to be addressed to fix this, poverty, lack of funding for social programs, over funding the police, lack of police training etc.

 

[VasilisVas 5,213]

Not that it matters, but is she 15 or 16? Those two ages keep on being thrown out and I’m just curious as to what her real age is. 

[Littlemonster19284 28]

Just now, GagaSine said:

I have literally never called 911 so no I wouldn't, if someone is harming me I remove myself from the situation. And I have nothing that anyone would try to rob. I don't live in fear of a crime boogeyman like suburban people do, I live amongst people supposedly statistically more likely to commit crime (poor people) and I have been safe the entire time. That said I don't know what I would do because I have never had anything stolen besides random stuff out of my pockets. Idk what  I would do if someone robbed my entire apartment because nothing like that has ever happened to me, but I certainly would never want someone to die in the name of my stuff.

If shooting someone four times is what one does without thinking in an emergency, they should not have a gun. 

Why would you blame the parents, the police are responsible for her death. Parents call their cops on their own kids pretty often actually. You don't know what is going on in their lives to say they should have been there, apparently she was in foster care so there could be a myriad of reasons. Where were the parents of all the white boys that committed all the gun massacres in the US? A lot of them were scared of their own children or even among their victims. 

This whole situation is inexcusable and I can't believe anyone would ever try to argue the other side. If you actually cared about this issue you'd recognize the multiple factors that actually need to be addressed to fix this, poverty, lack of funding for social programs, over funding the police, lack of police training etc.

 

I called the cops on a customer for calling my coworker the n word. So i know you’re dying to paint me as a racist but that’s not it. 
 

And you just missed the mark, you just started your life is so perfect and privileged you’ve never had anything bad happen to you.

do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? If someone is trying to murder you, youre going to remove yourself from that situation? Like it’s that simple? Then we’d have no victims ever if it was that easy. 

 

Progressives need to understand that the world doesn’t work the way they want it. Policing is a deep complicated issue, and if the cop didn’t shoot her, and she stabbed the girl, someone else would’ve died. There was no good outcome in that situation,

 

the next alternative is to let cities govern themselves , and we all know police free zones are burning down **** holes with constant looting chaos and destruction.

 

i support BLM and i support police reform 

but progressives are absolutely delusional and out of touch with reality 

[GagaSine 7,464]

3 minutes ago, jcataloni said:

If you had someone on top of you, stabbing you, trying to kill you, 

 

You would be trying to tell the cop not to shoot her ? GTFO 

If someone approached me with a knife I would not want them to be shot. It's also really simple minded to think the gun is the only solution in this situation. 

What so cops in countries where they are not armed with guns do in this situation? Use a taser or physically restrain the perpetrator. 

If a random person was stabbing me that means they're clearly mentally ill and need help. I don't think they deserve to die for that. 

This hypothetical is useless anyway because I don't value my own life more than others at all. Most people don't feel that way so I get I am in the minority, but my point is no one deserves to die in these situation, the cops should be trying to avoid loss of life (by protecting the victim and not indiscriminately murdering the perpetrator). Yes there are situations where killing may be necessary, but not nearly as frequently as it happens in the US.

[Littlemonster19284 28]

1 minute ago, GagaSine said:

If someone approached me with a knife I would not want them to be shot. It's also really simple minded to think the gun is the only solution in this situation. 

What so cops in countries where they are not armed with guns do in this situation? Use a taser or physically restrain the perpetrator. 

If a random person was stabbing me that means they're clearly mentally ill and need help. I don't think they deserve to die for that. 

This hypothetical is useless anyway because I don't value my own life more than others at all. Most people don't feel that way so I get I am in the minority, but my point is no one deserves to die in these situation, the cops should be trying to avoid loss of life (by protecting the victim and not indiscriminately murdering the perpetrator). Yes there are situations where killing may be necessary, but not nearly as frequently as it happens in the US.

I’m sorry, but that is the stupidest thing i have Ever read in my life. Even if you survive the stabbing you can still have life long injuries and disabilities from it. If i was being stabbed to death, i don’t care if they’re mentally ill, i don’t care what they look like, i would want the officer to neutralize a threat. 
 

 

i pray you never have to go through something traumatic. 
 

 

You want to be the guardian Angel of someone who literally wants to kill you. So dumb. I hope if you ever have children you’ll teach them self defense and not allowing themselves to become a victim 

[Littlemonster19284 28]

3 minutes ago, GagaSine said:

If someone approached me with a knife I would not want them to be shot. It's also really simple minded to think the gun is the only solution in this situation. 

What so cops in countries where they are not armed with guns do in this situation? Use a taser or physically restrain the perpetrator. 

If a random person was stabbing me that means they're clearly mentally ill and need help. I don't think they deserve to die for that. 

This hypothetical is useless anyway because I don't value my own life more than others at all. Most people don't feel that way so I get I am in the minority, but my point is no one deserves to die in these situation, the cops should be trying to avoid loss of life (by protecting the victim and not indiscriminately murdering the perpetrator). Yes there are situations where killing may be necessary, but not nearly as frequently as it happens in the US.

I’m sure if someone house was broken into by a robber, and the cops would take 20 mins to get there 

 

I’m assuming you would rather have the robber kill the house owner, then the house owner use weapons in self defense. 
 

am i correct? Or do you have some theory where everyone magically ends up okay and nothing bad happens? I’m dying to know. 
 

and with all due respect I’m not trying to be rude i am trying to have a open discussion. 

[GagaSine 7,464]

3 minutes ago, jcataloni said:

I called the cops on a customer for calling my coworker the n word. So i know you’re dying to paint me as a racist but that’s not it. 
 

And you just missed the mark, you just started your life is so perfect and privileged you’ve never had anything bad happen to you.

do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? If someone is trying to murder you, youre going to remove yourself from that situation? Like it’s that simple? Then we’d have no victims ever if it was that easy. 

 

Progressives need to understand that the world doesn’t work the way they want it. Policing is a deep complicated issue, and if the cop didn’t shoot her, and she stabbed the girl, someone else would’ve died. There was no good outcome in that situation,

 

the next alternative is to let cities govern themselves , and we all know police free zones are burning down **** holes with constant looting chaos and destruction.

 

i support BLM and i support police reform 

but progressives are absolutely delusional and out of touch with reality 

The fact that you can't see a possibility of not shooting her is really frickin sad. There were so many different courses of actions.

It's funny that you think abject poverty is a privilege, I can't afford dental care or basic mental health care. 

Like I said no one has tried to.murder me, but also if someone was say threatening me with violence I get the f*ck away from them. I don't fight people. Something like domestic violence is a different situation but the cops statistically do not help with that. What helps with that is having programs that support people experiencing DV and set them up with shelter and resources so they can remove themselves from that situation. Ideally they also get a restraining order but that doesn't always work out either bc the legal system is pretty misogynistic more often than not. See how rape & assault cases play out.

Decentralization is actually a pretty good idea lol and you're being completly hyperbolic and ridiculous. The autonomous zones set up after George Flloyd's death were constantly provoked and harassed by the police and white supremacists, aside from that it was people giving each other free food, water, and medical help as well as other resources. Not some Republican's nightmare of a free society where everyone is burning down banks and having an*l lol.

Idk what you want me to say to that last point, from my view centrists are completely delusional and out of touch. Especially if the only solution you see to any altercation is someone getting shot four times in the chest while white boys that go on mass shooting sprees continue to be gently arrested by the cops and offered fast food while detained.

[GagaSine 7,464]

8 minutes ago, jcataloni said:

I’m sorry, but that is the stupidest thing i have Ever read in my life. Even if you survive the stabbing you can still have life long injuries and disabilities from it. If i was being stabbed to death, i don’t care if they’re mentally ill, i don’t care what they look like, i would want the officer to neutralize a threat. 
 

 

i pray you never have to go through something traumatic. 
 

 

You want to be the guardian Angel of someone who literally wants to kill you. So dumb. I hope if you ever have children you’ll teach them self defense and not allowing themselves to become a victim 

Don't worry I'm infertile lol

I don't think compassion is stupid, and again I don't think my life is more important than someone else's 

[Gaga911chroma 98]

13 minutes ago, jcataloni said:

I called the cops on a customer for calling my coworker the n word. So i know you’re dying to paint me as a racist but that’s not it. 

Oh so you have a black friend and now that excludes you from being racist while you literally are posting multiple paragraph long rants about why it’s ok for the police to indiscriminately murder black children and calling BLM a hate group.  I would laugh at the cognitive dissonance if I weren’t so repulsed but how gross everything you’ve said is. 

[Littlemonster19284 28]

Just now, Gaga911chroma said:

Oh so you have a black friend and now that excludes you from being racist while you literally are posting multiple paragraph long rants about why it’s ok for the police to indiscriminately murder black children and calling BLM a hate group.  I would laugh at the cognitive dissonance if I weren’t so repulsed but how gross everything you’ve said is. 

Like how i said it should’ve never happened and the little girl should still be alive and we need police reform and more training? 
 

it’s pretty nice when you get to only listen to what you want