Our Revolution THREATENS Sinema, Others, W/ Primary Challenges

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*Not all of these Senators have re-elections soon, despite what the tweet says. Manchin, for example, won't be up until 2024 and Shaheen was reelected last year.

 

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[Gagaloo911 11,919]

As they should!

They deserve to be FIRED for shitting on the American people and saying they don't deserve to be paid a living wage and deserve their starvation wages even as they have millions and enjoy their socialized healthcare in their roles as government officials.

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Lol, no way they will replace Manchin with a progressive. West Virginia went for Trump by 40 points.

Edited March 7 by Whispering

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Yeah Manchin is a pipe dream, but Sinema should definitely be challenged from the left with an emphasis on economic issues. 

Edited March 7 by E Z

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Lmao good luck winning any of these seats that barely go to Democrats by running uber progressive candidates 

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Yeah let’s get rid of moderate Democrats who won by a slim margin in Red leaning states! What could go wrong?

[Matangi 3,050]

the misconception here is that "centrists" are actually in the political center.

the majority of voters in purple states are independents who have continuously shown support for non-establishment "progressive" leaders, like Bernie in WV, NV, the rust belt and midwest. Florida just overwhelmingly passed a standalone bill lifting their wages to $15, while it also turned red in most federal and state elections. The majority of voters (republican, dem & independent alike) support single payer healthcare

It's wise to consider just how "center" economic populism is, especially in working class states that DC often neglects and mischaracterizes.

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43 minutes ago, Matangi said:

the misconception here is that "centrists" are actually in the political center.

the majority of voters in purple states are independents who have continuously shown support for non-establishment "progressive" leaders, like Bernie in WV, NV, the rust belt and midwest. Florida just overwhelmingly passed a standalone bill lifting their wages to $15, while it also turned red in most federal and state elections. The majority of voters (republican, dem & independent alike) support single payer healthcare

It's wise to consider just how "center" economic populism is, especially in working class states that DC often neglects and mischaracterizes.

Yeah but party politics is still very much alive in every state. Voting for bills =/= voting for people.

Florida is consistently moving farther right with every politician elected but farther left with every amendment passed via ballot. That's because the people here hate democrats and liberals by name.

Imagine running a liberal in a deep red state like West Virginia. The people might agree with their policies but the label "liberal" will make them run to whomever the GOP has picked. And unlike in AZ or GA, you don't have a strong ethnic population to fall back on in some of these states. You'll literally just be gifting a formerly Democratic seat to the Republicans.

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9 hours ago, PartySick said:

Yeah but party politics is still very much alive in every state. Voting for bills =/= voting for people.

Florida is consistently moving farther right with every politician elected but farther left with every amendment passed via ballot. That's because the people here hate democrats and liberals by name.

Imagine running a liberal in a deep red state like West Virginia. The people might agree with their policies but the label "liberal" will make them run to whomever the GOP has picked. And unlike in AZ or GA, you don't have a strong ethnic population to fall back on in some of these states. You'll literally just be gifting a formerly Democratic seat to the Republicans.

you are correct that "liberals" are disliked among most of these working class purple states, but the people who are running against these deadbeat democrats are not liberals. liberalism and neo-liberalism go hand in hand with corporate elites that are despised in middle America, ex. Hillary Clinton and the dem machinery around her -but that is a far reach from the Bernie wing of American politics.

The woman who attempted to primary Joe Manchin in WV is a working class dem socialist, absolutely not a liberal.

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5 hours ago, Matangi said:

you are correct that "liberals" are disliked among most of these working class purple states, but the people who are running against these deadbeat democrats are not liberals. liberalism and neo-liberalism go hand in hand with corporate elites that are despised in middle America, ex. Hillary Clinton and the dem machinery around her -but that is a far reach from the Bernie wing of American politics.

The woman who attempted to primary Joe Manchin in WV is a working class dem socialist, absolutely not a liberal.

Ok but we're not talking about our view, we're talking about the average person's view

To most people, Biden = Sanders = Warren = Obama = left = liberal. No one else cares about the "neo-whatever-liberal-con-Dem-machine" b.s. aside from leftists on the internet. They just see left and right when it comes to politicians.

God forbid you add the title of "socialist" to their label. That sunk Biden's chances in Florida, imagine the lady running in West Virginia calling herself a "Democratic Socialist"  you might as well gift wrap that seat for the GOP.

That's another reason I believe lefties do better in lower seats. Their policies are popular and being in a low profile seat in government, federal or otherwise, helps prevent that "beware the scary socialist liberal" stigma that kills their chances at winning in any state that isn't already blue.

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I can say, with confidence, that replacing Manchin or Sinema with a progressive would hand the seat to Republicans, and they wouldn't even have to try that hard.

The reality is that Joe Manchin is probably the only Democrat that can win a statewide election in WV, given that Trump won in a landslide, as did Sen. Capito 

Even though there are liberal-friendly demographic trends in Arizona, it's difficult to imagine Republicans dropping the state to someone from the Sanders/AOC wing of the party

 

Edited March 8 by JRCF29

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1 minute ago, JRCF29 said:

I can say, with confidence, that replacing Manchin or Sinema with a progressive would hand the seat to Republicans, and they wouldn't even have to try that hard. The reality is that Joe Manchin is probably the only Democrat that can win a statewide election in WV. 

 

Well, unsay it, bc Mark Kelly exists. All the lost seats in the last House race were centrists so they stay the riskier type of candidates per usual...

Progressive means economically + socially left. Liberal means only means socially left. A liberal always struggles in red states, progressives always have a better shot when the DNC isn’t trynna bury them

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5 minutes ago, StarstruckIllusion said:

Well, unsay it, bc Mark Kelly exists

Both GovTrack and VoteView have him as one of the most conservative members of his caucus...

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8 minutes ago, JRCF29 said:

Both GovTrack and VoteView have him as one of the most conservative members of his caucus...

Yeah but he’s better than Sinema on both so AZ can and should def upgrade.