Black actress as queen of England

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7 minutes ago, GagaSine said:

That would be super cool actually, especially considering the influences Gaga has like Grace Jones.

y’all seem weirdly obsessed with this. 

Hmm, I respect your opinion but I imagine if it's a strict biographical film centring on Gaga, many, including myself, would want someone of Gaga's race to portray Gaga herself.

And please don't politicise this into racism or something, it's not cool to casually throw racist accusations around.

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its a concept! 

I don't watch these types of movies so I'm not gonna act bothered by it, and even if it was I wouldn't be personally affected by it. she's really beautiful too.

 

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3 minutes ago, Bradley said:

Hmm, I respect your opinion but I imagine if it's a strict biographical film centring on Gaga, many, including myself, would want someone of Gaga's race to portray Gaga herself.

And please don't politicise this into racism or something, it's not cool to casually throw racist accusations around.

Sorry but people being so up in arms about this and coming up with reasons why black people can’t be in certain roles/movies is pretty indicative of racism, but that’s just my opinion

Movies are not reality, I know the trend has been more and more towards “realism” but movies are art, an interpretation of reality and there’s nothing wrong with creative casting choices or even making artistic experiments. I personally don’t like the musical Hamilton but that is what they did. “What if the founding fathers of the United States were people of colour”.

There it was to make a specific political statement, but art for the sake of art is valid too. Like I actually hate superheroes movies but I always thought it was super cool that Idris Elba plays a Norse god in the Thor movies. Of course Norse gods were created by Norse people who are white, so seeing a black person in this role was interesting.

I’m a big advocate of exploring ideas in art and trying different things just for the sake of it. If you want accuracy read a history book.

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the people disagreeing with this need to accept that they’re racist, and find a way to not be

this is a tv show. that means it’s fiction, even if it’s based on real events.

on-screen diversity is so important, the characters we see have to reflect today’s society! everyone wants to feel seen. of course, there aren’t many prominent black figures in distant european history, for several reasons (all of which we know), but if their society had been as integrated as ours is, maybe there would have been a black woman on the throne.

2 hours ago, Kapi09 said:

Now I am waiting for black Hitler, white Nelson Mandela and white Black Panther 

you picked bad examples for your point.

hitler’s race is a part of his story-he was a white man committing race based genocide.

nelson mandela’s race was a part of his story. he was the first black head of state in south africa, etc.

anne boleyn’s race doesn’t affect the story. it’s not a part of what makes her, her

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2 hours ago, Chic said:

Unless the character being played by a woman of color contradicted something about the character’s involvement in the story, I don’t really see a problem 

this is what i’m saying

anne’s race isn’t a plot point or a factor in any way, it won’t affect the story

harriet tubman, on the other hand, obviously couldn’t be played by a non-black person, because it’s an integral part of her story

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12 minutes ago, FentyGa said:

the people disagreeing with this need to accept that they’re racist, and find a way to not be

this is a tv show. that means it’s fiction, even if it’s based on real events.

If its based on real events then its defintitly non-fiction  WTH

And people arent racist just cuz you said so

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29 minutes ago, FentyGa said:

you picked bad examples for your point.

hitler’s race is a part of his story-he was a white man committing race based genocide.

nelson mandela’s race was a part of his story. he was the first black head of state in south africa, etc.

anne boleyn’s race doesn’t affect the story. it’s not a part of what makes her, her

this is exactly what i was thinking, thanks for putting it into words!

 

 

21 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

If its based on real event then its defintitly non-fiction  WTH

And people arent racist just cuz you said so

Even if it is based on real-life events, it is still a piece of fiction with a screenplay, actors, and a director that makes creative decisions. If it were a documentary presenting real people, not actors portraying them in a made up story, then it would be non-fiction.

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9 minutes ago, RenegAde said:

If its based on real events then its defintitly non-fiction  WTH

And people arent racist just cuz you said so

it’s based on real events, but that doesn’t make it non-fiction. it would have to be a documentary to be non-fiction.

the story will be dramatised, creative liberties will be taken. the timeline will likely be altered, not to mention all of the dialogue will be written in today’s day and age.

this show will change more things than just the cast’s look, so if that’s where you draw the line, that’s very telling

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Unless it's not based on historical events and it's more a "what if" like story, there's no problem but why tf would anyone cast someone who is absolutly not looking alike with the historical character for a movie that is supppsed to be realistic? Also, if they want to show diversity, why not making movies about real black historical figures? There are a whole lot of different stories that could be made about african leaders, that would be very interesting 

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23 minutes ago, GagaSine said:

Sorry but people being so up in arms about this and coming up with reasons why black people can’t be in certain roles/movies is pretty indicative of racism, but that’s just my opinion

Movies are not reality, I know the trend has been more and more towards “realism” but movies are art, an interpretation of reality and there’s nothing wrong with creative casting choices or even making artistic experiments. I personally don’t like the musical Hamilton but that is what they did. “What if the founding fathers of the United States were people of colour”.

There it was to make a specific political statement, but art for the sake of art is valid too. Like I actually hate superheroes movies but I always thought it was super cool that Idris Elba plays a Norse god in the Thor movies. Of course Norse gods were created by Norse people who are white, so seeing a black person in this role was interesting.

I’m a big advocate of exploring ideas in art and trying different things just for the sake of it. If you want accuracy read a history book.

I haven't seen the iterations of Hamilton you mentioned but I imagine if they brought up the question "What if the founding fathers of the US were people of colour" then I suppose it would be the creators envisioning an alternate reality which questions the existing power relations in our society, in that case it is admirable in making us question how our society is structured. However, a Lady Gaga biopic isn't exactly a political piece about power or racial differences, I suppose it would depend on the exact genre, but I imagine if music and the stardom of Gaga were the themes celebrated in the movie, then it'd be wise to stick to the realist genre. Of course some alternate genre (perhaps one that is more political) could cast Gaga in a different race, but I don't think a celebrity biography would be the right genre for that.

As for the Idris Elba example, I think there is a difference between archetypes and the depiction of an actual celebrity figure so recent to our memory. I would say it's more appropriate to give creative freedom to depictions of archetypal roles than someone like Gaga. Imagine if they cast Elton John or Freddie Mercury as Asian, fans would want the roles to capture their favourite stars as accurately as possible, wouldn't they?

 

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3 minutes ago, Bradley said:

I haven't seen the iterations of Hamilton you mentioned but I imagine if they brought up the question "What if the founding fathers of the US were people of colour" then I suppose it would be the creators envisioning an alternate reality which questions the existing power relations in our society, in that case it is admirable in making us question how our society is structured. However, a Lady Gaga biopic isn't exactly a political piece about power or racial differences, I suppose it would depend on the exact genre, but I imagine if music and the stardom of Gaga were the themes celebrated in the movie, then it'd be wise to stick to the realist genre. Of course some alternate genre (perhaps one that is more political) could cast Gaga in a different race, but I don't think a celebrity biography would be the right genre for that.

As for the Idris Elba example, I think there is a difference between archetypes and the depiction of an actual celebrity figure so recent to our memory. I would say it's more appropriate to give creative freedom to depictions of archetypal roles than someone like Gaga. Imagine if they cast Elton John or Freddie Mercury as Asian, fans would want the roles to capture their favourite stars as accurately as possible, wouldn't they?

 

I think we just disagree on art fundamentally so let’s leave it at that.

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26 minutes ago, FentyGa said:

the people disagreeing with this need to accept that they’re racist, and find a way to not be

 

This obsessed woke ass rethoric is literally the reason why some many people have had enough with progressism and "woke culture". You're not fighting against racism, you're just avoiding a normal debate by making everyone that disagrees just a bit with your view looking like they're racist. That is dangerous.

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10 minutes ago, FentyGa said:

this show will change more things than just the cast’s look, so if that’s where you draw the line, that’s very telling

Very telling of what fentyga

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32 minutes ago, FentyGa said:

the people disagreeing with this need to accept that they’re racist, and find a way to not be

Chile, let's not throw the race card like that everytime someone disagrees with us Nobody is going to like Reese Witherspoon, for example, playing Oprah in a biopic or something but they shouldn't be called racist.

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